posted on May 21, 2005 03:10:37 PM new
Maybe Bush thinks he can VETO the Worlds research on stem cells. His views only hurt American medicine and sick people. The rest of the world is leaving American medicine behind. Bush and a few other whacked out republicans would rather see unused embryos thrown away than used to help sick people.
President Bush arrives to address the 2005 graduates of Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich
Bush Condemns S. Korea Stem Cell Advances
Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:27 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By DEB RIECHMANN
President Bush has condemned stem cell research advances in South Korea and said he worried about living in a world in which human cloning was condoned. He said he would veto any legislation aimed at loosening limits on federal support in the United States.
"I'm very concerned about cloning," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday. "I worry about a world in which cloning becomes acceptable."
"I made it very clear to the Congress that the use of federal money, taxpayers' money to promote science which destroys life in order to save life is _ I'm against that. And therefore, if the bill does that, I will veto it."
Republicans in Congress are sharply divided over the stem cell issue, which could lead to the first veto of Bush's presidency. The president's comments were aimed at putting the brakes on a bill gaining momentum on Capitol Hill.
That bill would lift Bush's ban on using federal dollars to do research on embryonic stem cell lines developed after August 2001. The president's veto threat drew immediate reaction from sponsors of the bipartisan bill, Reps. Mike Castle, R-Del., and Diana DeGette, D-Colo.
Castle said the legislation would not allow the cloning of embryos or embryo destruction. Instead, it would let government-funded researchers work with stem cells culled from embryos left over from fertility treatments.
"The bottom line is when a couple has decided to discard their excess embryos, they are either going to be discarded as medical waste or they can be donated for research," Castle said.
DeGette protested too. "It's disappointing that the president would threaten to use his first veto on a bill that holds promise for cures to diseases that affect millions of Americans," DeGette said. "Support for expanding federal stem cell research in an ethical manner remains strong in Congress."
Stem cells are building blocks that give rise to every tissue in the body. Supporters of embryo stem cell research, including former first lady Nancy Reagan, say it could lead to cures for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and other degenerative brain and nerve diseases.
Bush supports research on adult stem cells, but placed a ban on using federal money to do research on the embryonic stem cells created after August 2001. These stem cells are extracted from days-old embryos, which are destroyed in the process. Bush and some religious and conservative groups who believe life begins at conception are offended by the research and don't think tax money should be used to finance it.
House Republicans are throwing their weight behind an alternative bill that encourages stem cell research that uses blood from umbilical cords. Extracting stem cells from cord blood does not require the destruction of an embryo.
White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy said the White House is looking favorably at that bill too, but he stopped short of endorsing the legislation. Researchers, however, point out that stem cells created from the blood of umbilical cords grow into fewer types of tissues and it's unclear whether they will be as flexible in research as the younger, embryonic ones.
In the Senate, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who is undergoing chemotherapy in his battle against Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymph system, is pushing stem cell legislation with Sens. Orrin Hatch of Utah, a conservative Republican, and Dianne Feinstein of California, a moderate Democrat. The three said their bill would make reproductive cloning, to produce a baby, a crime punishable by up to 10 years. But they want to allow for cloning for the purpose of obtaining stem cells to be used in treating disease.
Amid the controversy in Washington, Hwang Woo-suk of Seoul National University announced on Thursday that he again had successfully cloned human embryos _ this time extracting stem cells from embryos created using the DNA of sick and injured patients. It was the second time in a little more than a year that Hwang had successfully cloned.
Other governments see the promise of stem cell research and are poised to take advantage of it, said Dr. Janet Rowley of the University of Chicago, a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and co-author of recent national ethics guidelines for stem-cell research.
"We in the United States, again because of ideology, are sitting back and watching," she said, adding that she hoped the South Korean work would pressure Congress to take a "more responsible position on federal support for the use and investigation of human embryonic stem cell lines."
Bush began Friday at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast where he reaffirmation his position on sensitive issues such as abortion and stem cell research. He urged people to "pray that America uses the gift of freedom to build a culture of life." And he recalled the legacy of the late Pope John Paul II, saying "The best way to honor this great champion of human freedom is to continue to build a culture of life where the strong protect the weak."
posted on May 21, 2005 03:38:52 PM new
Bigpeepa you are telling us nothing new. It's old news.....That was part of his platform in case you didn't know that.
So you think someone should lose their life so that someone else could live? Come on we are not that kind of society, well maybe you are but I am not.
There is stem cell research going on in America but not the kind that takes a life to give a life. Bush is in favor of that.
posted on May 21, 2005 03:42:38 PM new
Do you see bigpeepa we all have a voice in what is happening in the world, but we really have no say in what other countries do in the field of Medicine. If you should need something like that then you will have to go to South Korea. That is how it is. Now if the liberals would have won the election I am sure that they would go for that, but not positive as once I found out that your failed leader did what he did I didn't listen anymore so I don't know what his platform was.
posted on May 21, 2005 04:30:00 PM new
libra says, """So you think someone should lose their life so that someone else could live? Come on we are not that kind of society, well maybe you are but I am not."""
Guess she never heard of the Revolutionary War , the Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq.....etc,.....
posted on May 21, 2005 05:27:42 PM new
Your grasping at straws again crowfarm. Get back to reality. War is War, stem cell isn't or can't you comprehend that. Just because you believe in using baby embro's and I don't. I have a right to my opinion without you calling me names and telling me I am wrong. Please remember this is a discussion board not a battle field.
But then again you might not beable to differentiate between the two. Same as with Stem Cell and War.
posted on May 21, 2005 05:48:23 PM new
God I hate when someone who is not aware of what is going on decides that a new announcement is old news. Libra - we are talking about something that he said for the first time YESTERDAY. This is in response to a brand new bill. One that as I mentioned in the other thread, has support to get thru both houses but that he is stating that he will Veto if it is brought to him.
Apparently he has the same problem with knowing the difference between cloning and stem cell research that you do.
If you are against this type of research, that is fine. If you have taken the time to actually understand the topic and the issues at hand and you find that you cannot agree with it, I have no problem with that. that is your choice. You do not however get to enforce YOUR choice over the world by denying the potential advancements in medicine via stem cell research.
If you do not agree with it, you have the right to decline to take part in any treatments that are derived from it. You do not have the right to deny other the right to benefit from them however.
You consistently fight against "atheists" that somehow attempt to lord their moral views over you and the law. How exactly is this different? This is a moral view based in religion that is attempting to choke off medical research and advancements and in so doing, have dominion over millions of lives.
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posted on May 21, 2005 06:10:54 PM new
Come on fenix there is nothing about atheists in this thread. Where ever did you get that idea. I am sure there are other than atheists that do not agree with it also.
I have only had contact with one atheist, at least that is all I know I have, and that one just blows smoke, in my estimation. I honestly don't care what people are but I am sick of it when someone keeps blastin what I am. Just because they don't believe in religion or god doesn't mean I don't like them, it is just one that tries to rule the roost and tell me what my opinion should be I am sick of it, and soon this board will be dead because of those ways.
BTW crowfarm etc doesn't cut it. Only in The King and I.
posted on May 21, 2005 06:16:21 PM new
Can you image the high cost of health care if they do that. You can't afford it now.
To bad the failed leader bill clinton didn't get it passed because if they start doing stem cell there will be no turning back and health care will be out of this world. Can you image 125 year olds out shoping. I sure can't.
I only fight against one atheist and that is because she is constantly calling me names. Get over it fenix read this discussion board and you will see that.
posted on May 21, 2005 06:53:47 PM new
Libra63, READ WILL YA, READ IF YOU CAN. PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ALWAYS HAS TO DUMMY DOWN TO YOU AND FRANKLY I AM SICK OF IT. ITS NO WONDER YOU GET BLASTED. YOU SIMPLY DON'T THINK OR CAN'T THINK VERY DEEPLY BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH.
Castle said the legislation would not allow the cloning of embryos or embryo destruction. Instead, it would let government-funded researchers work with stem cells culled from embryos left over from fertility treatments.
"The bottom line is when a couple has decided to discard their excess embryos, they are either going to be discarded as medical waste or they can be donated for research," Castle said.
Amid the controversy in Washington, Hwang Woo-suk of Seoul National University announced on Thursday that he again had successfully cloned human embryos _ this time extracting stem cells from embryos created using the DNA of sick and injured patients. It was the second time in a little more than a year that Hwang had successfully cloned.
Other governments see the promise of stem cell research and are poised to take advantage of it, said Dr. Janet Rowley of the University of Chicago, a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and co-author of recent national ethics guidelines for stem-cell research.
"We in the United States, again because of ideology, are sitting back and watching," she said, adding that she hoped the South Korean work would pressure Congress to take a "more responsible position on federal support for the use and investigation of human embryonic stem cell lines."
Libra63, GET INFORMED BEFORE YOU POST OR JUST SHUT UP ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
posted on May 21, 2005 07:16:55 PM new
Libra - what are you saying - that it will be more expensive to cure someone of Parkinson's or Diabetes or Alzheimer's than it is to treat them for a lifetime. Are you sure you worked in health care? What the hell kind of logic is that? We should not find cures for debilitating diseases because it could be expensive?
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posted on May 21, 2005 07:21:19 PM new
Kraft, I didn't see your post about stem cell research until after I posted my article about stem cell research. If I had seen your post I would have just replied to it. Sorry.
When I looked at your post I could not believe how closed minded and uninformed the L sisters are.
Simply put the L sisters have NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING LEFT TO SAY IN DEFENSE OF THEIR FAILED LEADER GEORGE BUSH SO ALL THEY DO IS ATTACK.
posted on May 21, 2005 07:55:30 PM new
No bigpeepa you are stupid and you can't read. That is your problem. You want to be the big dog here with AOL polls and your Howard Dean Screaming. First you need to learn board etiquette and next you need to respect people, evidently you didn't learn either.
It seems like I or Linda cannot have any comments here. So you think my mind is closed well yours is warped. It is going to be a boring board when people start to leave. I hope classic stays around to put his little jabs in you. Jabs you deserve
I am sorry you and Castle can't see that those embryos in the Fertility Clinics belong to human beings not the government.
I guess it will be a good get rich quick scheme for liberal women who complain they don't make enough money to give up their eggs for stem cell.
Fenix I am not the one complaining about the high cost of health care. It is the liberals. I will make a bet that within a few years Alzheimer's will be cured and so will other diseases. Look at the strides in Breast Cancer and now a break through in cervical cancer all done without stem cell Look how far we have come already.
You and I will never agree as in our first debate(for lack of a better word) you told me I discriminated in doing mammograms. I guess you were peeking over my shoulder.
posted on May 21, 2005 08:10:09 PM new
peepa It's YOU who needs to become better informed IF you believe that what Castle said.
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Castle said the legislation would not allow the cloning of embryos or embryo destruction.
AS each embryo is used it DIES - it's dead.
Instead, it would let government-funded researchers work with stem cells culled from embryos left over from fertility treatments.
First, we have no idea IF these couple would want they embryo used in this manner. And legally now...they have the 'right' to make that decision.
Second: There is no where NEAR enough of these available for all that would be needed for research. So...that means they'd HAVE to 'farm embryos' in order to have all they'd need.
Third - SHOULD this be allowed....research money that's now being used in adult stem cell, where they are getting encouraging results....would see monies LEAVING that research and being shared with embryo cell research. Slowing down the results they have seen, are making.
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posted on May 21, 2005 08:22:20 PM new
::You and I will never agree as in our first debate(for lack of a better word) you told me I discriminated in doing mammograms. I guess you were peeking over my shoulder.::
I'm sorry Libra but I NEVER said that. You were so absolutely blinded when I mentioned radiology that you completely ignored everything else I said I really do not appreciate your absolute and complete misrepresentation of my statements which were NEVER directed at you. After you finish educating yourself on the actual facts regarding this situation which your have deicded you are against without knowing any of the realities of it perhaps you can work on your comprehehsion skills and reread that thread.
:I will make a bet that within a few years Alzheimer's will be cured and so will other diseases.::
That's a rather dramatic statement considering that the actual researchers in that field state that stem cell research is their best hope.
posted on May 21, 2005 08:26:43 PM new
::First, we have no idea IF these couple would want they embryo used in this manner. And legally now...they have the 'right' to make that decision.::
Is this really going to be your arguement? Ever consider that they might start including consent forms or contact clients to ask for consent? No clinic is going to use these eggs without contractual consent. to hell with moral issues, they are not going to risk the legal ramifications.
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