Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 1, 2005 05:22:59 PM new
The only problem, logansdad, if you impeach Bush, your stuck with Cheney. Who's worse? Cheney in my opinion. In this administration you have to work from the bottom up.
edited to fix my mistake. At least I admit to them.
Cheryl
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Jun 1, 2005 05:58 PM ]
posted on June 1, 2005 06:03:34 PM new
LOl cheryl...getting just a tad petty now are you?
I too have easily admitted when I was wrong. Maybe you missed it like I just missed your 'admission'.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
Yeah, I thought about that as well. But I think Cheney is a little more open minded than Bush. It could not possibly be any worse, but you would at least have the arrogant little dictator wantabee out of office. Karl Rove can't help him then.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 1, 2005 06:13:06 PM new
Logansdad posts, "Do you believe he deliberately misled the Congress and American people into war against Iraq? "
The Downing Street memo proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that bush lied.
posted on June 1, 2005 06:15:03 PM new
One thing logansdad appears to be overlooking is the FACT that all this was brought out...put on the table...discussed...and rehashed....and the American voters STILL VOTED to re-elect him. Did you miss that news?
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Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on June 1, 2005 06:32:50 PM new
I've almost come to the conclusion that the President may be the only thing moderating the many-headed neocon monster that supports him. Cheryl is right, if Bush leaves, Cheney takes his place. Good God.....
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 1, 2005 06:40:18 PM newOne thing logansdad appears to be overlooking is the FACT that all this was brought out...put on the table...discussed...and rehashed....and the American voters STILL VOTED to re-elect him. Did you miss that news?
Yes Linda as Crow already pointed out most of this information came out AFTER THE ELECTIONS WERE HELD. How convenient is that? I guess 59 million people were lied to once again.
Bush and company knew the information they had regarding the supposed uranium Iraq was trying to obtain might not be factual. They knew this in October, but in his January State of the Union Address he presented this information as fact. In an interview after the State of the Union Address, C. Rice said she did not know how the supposed fact about Iraq trying to get uranium ended up in the speech.
Don't try and tell me, that Bush does not read any of his speeches before delivering them. HE LIED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 1, 2005 06:49:50 PM new
No, logan, the left was having a hissing fit....not to long after 9-11...talking about this President's mention that he thought the attck came from Iraq. That he questioned his staff when they told him the didn't believe so.
It was in all the news...and we discussed it here. Nothing ever came of it. But that doesn't stop the left from continuing to come up with some 'new' news....just like they think they did about his service to our country. They'd brought it up when he ran for gov. of TX. They brought it up in 2000, they brought it up in 2004....each time like it had never been brought up before.
This is no different.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on June 1, 2005 07:01:29 PM new
Isn't this called shadow boxing. Or maybe someone has Alzheimer's and can't remember this is old buried, unearthed and buried again crap.
posted on June 2, 2005 05:25:27 AM new
I think I would vote for Biden. I think he is a good speaker and portrays an honest intelligent man. But that may not be a majority opinion, as i believe he didnt make thru the primaries last time around. On the repub side, I like gulliani, but I dont know if they will pull him through to candidate. They are all so clickie who they back their money with on both sides, or so it appears to me.
posted on June 2, 2005 08:49:57 AM new
What has Peepa morfed into Dad?
Craw no one cares about your lame "Memo".
Downing Street Memo Mostly Ignored in U.S.
Wednesday, June 01, 2005
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
WASHINGTON — A British government memo that critics say proves the Bush administration manipulated evidence about weapons of mass destruction in order to carry out a plan to overthrow Saddam Hussein (search) has received little attention in the mainstream media, frustrating opponents of the Iraq war.
The "Downing Street Memo" — first published by The Sunday Times of London on May 1 — summarizes a high-level meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair (search) and his senior national security team on July 23, 2002, months before the March 2003 coalition invasion of Iraq.
The memo suggests that British intelligence analysts were concerned that the Bush administration was marching to war on wobbly evidence that Saddam posed a serious threat to the world.
Click here to read the memo.
In the memo, written by top Blair aide Matthew Rycroft (search), Foreign Secretary Jack Straw indicated in the meeting that it "seemed clear" Bush had already decided to take military action.
"But the case was thin," reads the memo on Straw's impressions. "Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."
The memo also paraphrased former head of the British Secret Intelligence Services, Richard Dearlove, fresh from meetings in the United States. The memo said Dearlove believed "military action was now seen as inevitable."
"Bush wanted to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," the memo reads. "But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy," according to Dearlove's impressions.
"The NSC (National Security Council) had no patience with the U.N. route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."
The memo, which received sporadic reporting in major newspapers in the United States throughout May, has sparked an outcry from more than 88 Democratic members of Congress who have signed two letters to President Bush demanding a response.
Led by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the signatories are mostly representatives who opposed the war in Iraq and make up the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Conyers says the mainstream media have ignored the story and let President Bush off the hook. He noted that liberal blogs and alternative media have been keeping the story alive. "But these voices are too few and too diffuse to overcome the blatant biases of our cable channels and the negligence and neglect of our major newspapers," Conyers said in a recent statement.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan has said there is "no need" to respond to the memos, the authenticity of which has not been denied.
Dante Zappala does not agree. For Zappala, the Downing Street Memo strikes a critical and personal chord. His brother, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, 30, a soldier in the Pennsylvania National Guard, was killed in Baghdad 13 months ago on what Zappala said was a mission to find weapons there.
"My family knows the consequences of the decision they made to go to war," said Zappala, 29, of Philadelphia. He is a member of Military Families Speak Out, a group that opposes the war and, according to Zappala, now has more than 2,000 members.
"I can't speak for what the TV news decides to focus their attention on," Zappala said. "They seem to have a willful deference to all relevant information. I think they've really just dropped the ball on this."
But not everyone believes the Downing Street Memo represents a "smoking gun" and deserves more attention.
"As a smoking gun it leaves a lot to be desired," said Kevin Aylward, a northern Virginia-based technology consultant who runs the conservative-leaning blog, Wizbangblog.com. "It's interesting, but it's probably fourth- or fifth-hand information."
Aylward added: "I suspect the more interesting story at this point, seeing it three weeks later, is who is behind the letter-writing campaign to push it in the media."
Several popular left-leaning blogs have taken up the cause to keep the story alive, encouraging readers to contact media outlets. A Web site, DowningStreetMemo.com, tells readers to contact the White House di[b]rectly with complaints.
"This is a test of the left-wing blogosphere," said Jim Pinkerton, syndicated columnist and regular contributor to FOX News Watch, who pointed out that The Sunday Times article came out just before the British election and apparently had little effect on voters' decisions.
"In many ways that memo might prove all of the arguments the critics of the war have made," he added. "But the bulk of Americans don't agree, or don't seem that alarmed, so it is a power test to see if they can drive it back on the agenda."
Ellis Henican, a columnist for New York Newsday and a FOX News contributor, said the allegations of evidence-fixing had been made before the 2004 election by former senior administration officials Richard Clarke (search) and Paul O'Neill (search), and while many people believe they were right, it had little impact on the re-election of Bush in November.
"It's a little late," he said of the memo story, adding that people are resigned to the fact that the United States is in Iraq for the long term, regardless of what events led to the war. "We're kind of stuck."
That's no excuse, said Zappala, who argues someone has to be made accountable for the lives lost on false pretenses. "The goal was always to invade Iraq whatever obstacles, legal and moral, were in our way," he said. "I feel that we deserve an amount of accountability by our officials for the decisions they make."
-------------- A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 2, 2005 09:38:33 AM new
No, bear, as usual, you're wrong. The memo proves that political conniving was what the war in Iraq was about.
It proves many died and were maimed for life because of a lie.
The lack of interest has to do with neocon control of the press and the embarrassment many gung-ho "let's kill someboy, anybody"
Americans now feel after realizing the truth.
Nobody likes to be made a fool of and dwelling on it is very uncomfortable.
posted on June 2, 2005 02:19:10 PM new
No craw, the only ones that care are the losers who can't accept the fact that THE MAJORITY of Americans votes to reelect Pres Bush in SPITE of your lame memo.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 3, 2005 06:40:13 AM new
Glad to see the right got so upset over Clinton lying about his little sexual affair, but then don't think Bush's lies are that important.
Impeach both Bush and Cheney because they are both liars.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 3, 2005 07:09:36 AM new
Poor bear says, "No craw, the only ones that care are the losers who can't accept the fact that THE MAJORITY of Americans votes to reelect Pres Bush in SPITE of your lame memo."
Gee, bear I don't know what calender you use but bush was "elected" in 2004 and the memo came out in 2005.
Ok, bear, listen carefully....2004 comes BEFORE 2005....it's like those number thingys , you know, 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 ......
posted on June 3, 2005 07:29:04 AM newBTW Logansdad I can put anyone on ignore that I want to.
Good for you Libra, but what does that statement have to do with this topic?
But I think Cheney is a little more open minded than Bush
Becasue Cheney is not saying he was elected by God and is not on the extreme right when it comes to his moral values.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
I haven't seen anything there I would vote for.