posted on June 9, 2005 11:52:05 AM new
JAMES TARANTO
WSJ
Deal Divides Dems
The U.S. Senate is moving ahead with the business of populating the federal courts.
YEAH
Yesterday it approved, by a vote of 56-43, the nomination of Justice Janice Rogers Brown of California's Supreme Court to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
All 55 Republicans, joined by Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson, voted "yes."
Then, as provided by last month's filibuster compromise, it voted for "cloture" on the nomination of William Pryor for the 11th Circuit; this will allow a confirmation vote today.
Considerably fewer Democrats voted to end the filibusters on Brown and Pryor than had on Priscilla Owen.
Here are the vote totals:
Owen (May 25): 81-18
Brown (June 7): 65-32
Pryor (June 8): 67-32
We initially assumed the relatively narrow vote for Brown reflected Democrats' view that she was not just "extreme" but really extremely extreme, because of her provocative criticisms of the regulatory state that keeps liberals' hearts aflutter. But the similar numbers in the vote on Pryor lead us to think that what's changed since May is, as we argued yesterday, that liberals have become considerably less enamored with the compromise.
Fourteen Democratic senators voted for cloture on Owen then cast what amounted to protest votes against cloture on both Brown and Pryor (15 if you count Wisconsin's Herb Kohl, who wasn't present for the Brown vote).
And what do those Democrats have to protest? A deal that, while formally keeping the filibuster alive, will make it very difficult to use, at least in this Congress (except in the cases of William Myers and Henry Saad, whose nominations the senators who signed the agreement are permitted, though not required, to filibuster).
The results of the Brown and Pryor cloture votes suggest that there are 12 Democrats who cannot be counted on to support future filibusters:
The seven compromisers, who are obliged to refrain from filibustering judicial nominees (Myers and Saad excepted) in the absence of "extraordinary circumstances." To determine whether such circumstances exist, they must rely on their "own discretion or judgment"--i.e., they may not simply vote the party line. If they do, the "nuclear option" is back on the table.
Three senators who voted for cloture on both the Brown and Pryor nominations, suggesting that they are disinclined, whether for reasons of principle or politics, to filibuster judicial nominees.
Two senators who voted for cloture on Pryor but against it on Brown, suggesting that they are somewhat disinclined to filibuster.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 9, 2005 12:12:41 PM new
blah blah blah, yada yada yada.
She has nominated in 2003. It only took 2+ years to be approved. I wouldn't call that a success.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 9, 2005 12:53:13 PM new
Yes, logansdad, but the only thing that is important is that she WAS confirmed...and now will be another non-liberal seated in our courts.
Just because the dems managed to obstruct her and others.....doesn't mean a thing now.
The U.S. Senate is moving ahead with the business of populating the federal courts.
YEAH
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 9, 2005 12:55 PM ]
posted on June 9, 2005 12:56:48 PM new
"""but the only thing that is important is that she WAS confirmed...and now will be another non-liberal seated in our courts. """
One more feather in the cap of linduh and other pro dictatorship people.
posted on June 9, 2005 01:49:35 PM new
WE ARE!!
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
posted on June 9, 2005 09:01:44 PM new
Linda, I wonder why you call her a "non-liberal". Is it maybe because you're reluctant to call a judge "conservative"? You're surely not prepared to make the case here that she isn't in fact conservative.
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 9, 2005 09:45:26 PM new
profe - The last two times I answered a question from you, I felt like I'd been hit with a 2x4 after reading your replies to me. I will give it one last shot...
I used "non-liberal" on purpose....to say that anyone that wasn't a socialist, a progressive, an ultra-liberal or a liberal...would be just fine with me.
Just as I have used Liberman when discussing a dem that I could have lived with him being elected. He's more a centralist...more to the center...not EXTREME left...and he's more grounded...more aware and willing to protect this Nation.
In using him as an example, I also believe many of the nominations that President Bush has made are not all what the main-stream voters would see as being a neocon-conservatives. And I don't see Judge Brown as one who has earned that label.
I believe the left doesn't care for her and didn't want her seated because she usually doesn't go with them on all these supposed 'civil right' violation cases or affirmative actions cases....when most expect she SHOULD because she's a black woman.
I like that she's been independent in that way.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 10, 2005 02:10:07 PM new
What gets me here Linda, is the fact that you won't call her conservative. You and others have ranted about "activist judges" here before...trouble is, those judges you were ranting about were liberals. I guess you figure it's not activism if a judge's actions take an extremely conservative slant. The following is from Ted Kennedy's website, but I'll tell you, every point can be verified, every one documented.
A 1999 dissent drafted by Brown suggested that the First Amendment allows employees to use racial epithets in the workplace;
A Brown decision would have barred administrative agencies from awarding compensatory damages in race discrimination cases;
A Brown opinion would have struck down a law requiring paint companies to help fund treatment of children exposed to lead paint;
Rated "unqualified" by three-fourths of the state bar's examiners when nominated to the California Supreme Court;
Brown told a meeting of the Federalist Society that “where government moves in, community retreats [and] civil society disintegrates”;
Brown has said that government leads to “families under siege, war in the streets…”
Brown said that “when government advances, freedom is imperiled [and] civilization itself jeopardized.”
Brown told an audience that people of faith were embroiled in a “war” against secular humanists who threatened to divorce America from its religious roots.
Now, while I know you probably don't disagree with any of the points above, and frankly, I agree with some of them also, why do you avoid calling her conservative? I submit to you that if you were to do that, you know good and well that you'd be no different from those of us who would like to see liberal judges appointed. You're the one who's always lecturing us about double standards....my goodness!
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 10, 2005 02:25:12 PM new
LOL profe, from TED KENNEDY'S website?
And each on that list can be explained....not presented in the VERY BIASED view of a drunk and a murderer.
Brown made that decision because she felt the 'free speech rights' of the accused had been violated.
But...of course your HUGE ted kennedy's website wouldn't be explaining why and on what basis each of those decisions she made. Won't work to their/your advantage to have ALL the facts involved be noted.
No double standard at all either.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 10, 2005 03:08:33 PM new
Ted Kennedy has a website?? ROFLMAO!!
I didnt think they invented a computer that had enough gigabyte to put his fat ass on the internet.Whats it show...his driving certificate???
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
[ edited by classicrock000 on Jun 10, 2005 03:09 PM ]
posted on June 10, 2005 09:48:10 PM new
I figured you'd do two things:
1. Deny the points because they came from Kennedy's website, and
2. Claim "no double standard".
You've lived up to my expectations, sadly.
So, why won't you call her a conservative? What kind of lame nonsense is it to call her "non-liberal"?
The answer is simple. You don't want to admit that you'd like to see activist judges appointed too, just like all the liberals you're always complaining about.
BIG TIME double standard, Linda, BIG TIME
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 10, 2005 09:51:04 PM new
I dare say, next, you'll dodge the question by claiming that I'm quick to accuse you of a double standard, but you've never heard me say anything to helen, crow, kiara et al about theirs.....save your breath and answer the question. Is she conservative, or not?
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 11, 2005 07:11:43 AM new
as senator Kerry would say
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
posted on June 11, 2005 10:32:08 AM new
" Adores bush who's an alcoholic "
I Never said I adored Bush-so you are a liar right off the bat..but what else is new??
"and has murdered thousands."
he hasn't murdered anyone-however the insurgents have and you have no problem with them chopping heads off,blowing up people in car bombs- Saddam Husein killing 40,000 of his own people-and the Al Queda killing 3,000 at the world trade center.You have never once spoke out against this,which means you approve of it.You only complain what the so called "torture" the U.S.commits-puting panties over some "towel heads" head. Which means you must be an anti/American Al Queda loving scumbag.
"And what does Kerry have to do with this"
Absolutely nothing-but when you change the thread,you don't seem to have a problem with it do you?????????
"And why is classic so obsessed with fat people?"
I love fat people-there's more to love.In another thread I even invited you to come over to my in ground swimming pool for some skinny dipping.Of course in your gutless ways,you never responded.The only thing I asked you not to do was a belly flop off the diving board,as I don't want 20,000 gallons of water all over my back yard.....is that too much to ask????
"And
...oh nevermind"
and oh nevermind???? if that was the case why the hell did you bring this up in the first place....are you completely stupid????
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
[ edited by classicrock000 on Jun 11, 2005 10:32 AM ]
[ edited by classicrock000 on Jun 11, 2005 05:11 PM ]
posted on June 11, 2005 10:36:38 AM newSaddam Husein killing 40,000 of his own people-and the Al Queda killing 3,000 at the world trade center.
And how many innocent people did the US kill when it dropped to numclear bombs in Japan to end World War II?
So when the US troop death count reaches 3000, can you still say the war was justified?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 11, 2005 10:44:47 AM new
There are no "innocents" in war. Those bombs saved thousands of US lives and possibly a million casualties. I hope we have a president in office that would not hesitate to do the same again if the need arose.
edited to add: this is the one confirmation that I really wanted to see go through. See epitomizes everything America is about. Hard work and persistence can get you where you want to be.
Ron
[ edited by WashingtoneBayer on Jun 11, 2005 10:47 AM ]
posted on June 11, 2005 11:56:58 AM new
"And how many innocent people did the US kill when it dropped to numclear bombs in Japan to end World War II?"
...sigh...okay--I give up..whats a numclear bomb-something "classic" is unaware of??
--------now classic will answer this in his best Bigpeabrain imitation---------------
YO DAD-YA BRAIN DEAD OR WHAT?? YA EVER HEAR OF PEARL HARBOR?? WAKE ISLAND?? THE PHILIPPINES??
THE JAPS ATTACKED US FIRST...HELLO MCFLY??
WHAT INNOCENT PEOPLE??? WHO DO YOU THINK WERE MAKING THE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS THAT WERE CARRYING THE PLANES WITH MISTIBITSHI ENGINES TO ATTACK PEARL HARBOR??-IT CERTAINLY WASN'T THE MILITARY.WHO DO YOU THINK WERE MAKING ALL THOSE BULLETS AND BOMBS TO KILL AMERICANS?? WHO DO YOU THINK WERE MAKING ALL THOSE SUBMARINES, CRUISERS,AND BATTLESHIPS TO KILL AMERICANS??INNOCENT MY ASS-THEY KNEW ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.YOU HAVE SOME IDEA THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING CRUISE SHIPS??? HELLO?? WE SAVED OVER A MILLION AMERICAN LIVES BY NOT INVADING JAPAN-BUT IF COURSE YOU BEING THE LIBERAL IDIOT ARE ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT "ENEMY" CAUSALITIES.WE EVEN DROPPED LEAFLETS TELLING THEM EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, AND YET THEY STILL REFUSED TO SURRENDER.THEY F*CKED WITH THE UNITED STATES AND THEY PAID THE ULTIMATE PENALTY.YA KNOW WHAT?? IT SUCKS TO BE THEM.
HEY GANG-HOW WAS MY IMMITATION OF BIGPEABRAIN-PRETTY COOL HEH??
posted on June 11, 2005 01:05:56 PM new
LOL classic...you're not doing a very good IMMITATION
of peepa...while using the caps and all....you make a TON more sense that he EVER has, you're not a broken record, and MOST IMPORTANTLY you're on OUR side - American's side. That's unusual here. So you're FAR above the rantings of peepa.
THEY KNEW ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
Yes, and they weren't too nice about it either. Countries are supposed to actually DECLARE WAR on those they plan to attack. They didn't....just gave us our little PH surprise. shame, shame, shame on them.
But you know what? When I've discussed PH with my Japanese DIL, she says the Japanese STILL fear us...even though we've been allies for what two generations now? Of course, she's just one lone person...but getting her 'take' on the war with Japan has been interesting...and she's a highly educated person too.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 11, 2005 02:07:21 PM new
classicrock000
posted on June 11, 2005 10:32:08 AM
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" Adores bush who's an alcoholic "
I Never said I adored Bush-so you are a liar right off the bat..but what else is new??
"and has murdered thousands."
he hasn't murdered anyone-however the insurgents have and you have no problem with them chopping heads off,blowing up people in car bombs- Saddam Husein killing 40,000 of his own people-and the Al Queda killing 3,000 at the world trade center.You have never once spoke out against this,which means you approve of it.You only complain what the so called "torture" the U.S.commits-puting panties over some "towel heads" head. Which means you must be an anti/American Al Queda loving scumbag
posted on June 11, 2005 02:22:36 PM newThey blame everything on America....then get their panties all twisted up when anyone calls them on their words. tsk tsk tsk
You've been called on yours, too, Linda...and while the condition of your panties is the last thing I'm interested in, I really would like to know why you referred to Judge Brown as a "non-liberal". Why don't you have the courage of your convictions and admit you're happy there's another conservative on the bench, particularly one who has a history of conservative activism? I'd think you'd be crowing like a rooster about it.
Rephrase your statement in the 3rd post above to read:
Yes, logansdad, but the only thing that is important is that she WAS confirmed...and now will be another conservative seated in our courts.
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on June 11, 2005 03:37:46 PM new
profe - I really would like to know why you referred to Judge Brown as a "non-liberal".
I have already answered that question ONCE...didn't you like MY answer? lol
Why don't you have the courage of your convictions and admit you're happy there's another conservative on the bench, particularly one who has a history of conservative activism? I'd think you'd be crowing like a rooster about it.
LOL....you didn't notice my happiness about ALL three being seated? Thought my starting threads to BOAST about them would make my position clear to all.
Rephrase your statement in the 3rd post above to read: Yes, logansdad, but the only thing that is important is that she WAS confirmed...and now will be another conservative seated in our courts.
LOL....see what I mean when I speak of all these liberals here trying to tell others what they mean, think or feel? It's a joke. YOU don't speak for me, you only speak for yourself. So...thank you anyway, profe, but you won't be telling me what or how I should be saying anything.
YOU get to speak for YOU.
I get to speak for myself....and won't be told how I 'should' be saying anything.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 11, 2005 03:54:07 PM new
Profe be careful what you wish for I hope this doesn't give you nightmares tonight.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on June 11, 2005 04:18:37 PM new
" Psalms 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth"
oh brother the anti-Christ quoting the Psalms
ya cant make this sh*t up LOL
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
posted on June 11, 2005 04:19:55 PM new
Dad-was it really necessary to put crows pic up there??????????
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
posted on June 11, 2005 04:23:07 PM new
Actually I thought it might have been one of the strippers that yellowstone likes to get his lap dances from. I heard he likes the older, more mature type or was it the larger sized/full figured women.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
I hope this doesn't give you nightmares tonight.
