crowfarm
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posted on June 21, 2005 10:21:04 AM new
News is on...talking about the veterans hospital and the shortage of nurses.
Some nurses are forced to work 16 hours!
Pressure sores are on the rise and that's the first sign of patient neglect.
The hospital administration answer ???
VOLUNTEER FOR 16 HOURS and we won't have to FORCE you to do it for a whole week.
Gee, they're losing nurses ????????
Gee, how is this supporting the troops ????
Gee, who cut the funding to hire more nurses?
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dblfugger9
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posted on June 21, 2005 10:29:44 AM new
Crowfarm, there is a nationwide shortage of nurses - in case youre unaware of that fact.
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profe51
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posted on June 21, 2005 10:41:29 AM new
right dbl, a friend of mine's daughter is graduating as a nurse practitioner this month, and she's batting away 100k job offers like they're mosquitos...
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crowfarm
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posted on June 21, 2005 11:17:27 AM new
Nowhere in my post did I indicate I didn't know there was a shortage of nurses nationwide.
I was addressing a local issue affecting our veterans.
I realize it's a vicious circle of losing nurses because of impossible demands on their time brought about by a shortage of nurses.
So where are the funds to hire more nurses ?
Isn't the care of our veterans a top priority ?
Why did bush cut funding for veteran's health care?
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Dblfugger9
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posted on June 21, 2005 11:26:23 AM new
Yep profes, they are falling over themselves with lucrative offers for nurses. Really dont understand why more kids(people)arent going into it??
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Libra63
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posted on June 21, 2005 11:46:40 AM new
It is not only affecting our veterans it is affecting every Hospital in the country. Many laid off or out of job people are now entering the career of nursing but it takes 3-4 years before they graduate so don't expect change for some time.
Maybe crowfarm should change her career and go into Nursing, since she was complaining about her wage loss and also about the Veterans Hospital. Being a nurse crowfarm it can make you big bucks then you wouldn't have to worry anymore. Nursing is a really fun job as most hospital jobs are. When you go to work in the morning you never know what time you are going home. Even though your hours are set there is always emergencies and when that happens you don't go home. You stay until the emergency is over whether it be 1 hour of 4 hours.
You wouldn't last a day crowfarm and you would be crying they are working me to hard.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 21, 2005 12:01:09 PM new
Good question, Crowfarm. Boils down to priorities. Whenever funding gets cut, it's always from the things that matter the least to the government.
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crowfarm
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posted on June 21, 2005 12:07:20 PM new
Libra drools, "You wouldn't last a day crowfarm and you would be crying they are working me to hard. "
Libra weren't you just berating people in another thread about how we shouldn't assume we know you ??
Ya, that was Libra63 .
Sorry, to disappoint you but I have worked in a hospital and was quite capable of keeping up with the work.
I really don't see, though , what MY experience, or lack thereof, has to do with the topic ???
All you can do is attack ?
Haven't an intelligent reply related to the topic ?
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posted on June 21, 2005 12:10:20 PM new
"Sorry, to disappoint you but I have worked in a hospital and was quite capable of keeping up with the work."
she wasnt talking about the janitors-she was referring to nurses.
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posted on June 21, 2005 02:08:32 PM new
Good one Classic.....
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
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Linda_K
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posted on June 21, 2005 07:48:45 PM new
What was the name of that nurse in 'One Flew Over the Coo-Coo's Nest'? nurse Hatchet?
LOL....I can picture it now...cf as THAT nurse...only worse.
[i]Why did bush cut funding for veteran's health care[/i?
He hasn't.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on June 21, 2005 08:20:19 PM new
nurse Hatchet?
Nurse Ratchet was your nickname here long ago, Linda_k .... so maybe try to be a bit more original when you try to insult others instead of doing a hatchet job on your own name.
Ultra-lefties = Imaginary non-existent people who she rages against daily but who are living only in her head. 
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Linda_K
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posted on June 21, 2005 09:20:30 PM new
Her name was Nurse Mildred Ratched, not Hatchet.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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Libra63
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posted on June 21, 2005 09:27:22 PM new
good one classic
So where are the funds to hire more nurses ?
What you don't get crowfarm, the funds are there but there are no nurses. There is a shortage of nurses in both the general public, private sector and the federal government. Check your Sunday paper and see the nursing ads and also the signing bonuses that they are giving. The nurses in the US are making top dollar and won't leave the facility that they are in. To receive a signing bonus you have to work in that facility usually for 3 years. The first year you get a quarter of the bonus, the second year a quarter and the 3rd year the rest. So is it worth that to move I don't think so because by that time their pay would almost equal that bonus.
BTW nurses are working on an average of 16 hours a day or on an average of 64+ hours a week.
What should they pay a nurse to lure them away from a different facility. Maybe the facility that you might need a nurse at.
Even nurses aids are making good money but they can't do the same thing a Registered Nurse can.
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kiara
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posted on June 21, 2005 09:31:52 PM new
There is a shortage of nurses worldwide.
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BTW, I like the name Nurse Ratchet better ... she was kind of a dictator. 
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Libra63
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posted on June 21, 2005 09:56:37 PM new
Yes Kiara there is. I think you mentioned that in a different thread about Canada.
I think nurses in the us make $30+ dollars an hour depending on the department they work in. Is it the same in Canada?
I don't think the nurses in Canada and the US are interchangeable but I might be wrong as I am sometimes....
I do know the x-ray techs are. We have the same training and the Registry is interchangeable.
The government trains their own x-ray and lab techs and since they work for the federal government they don't have to be registered. I think their training is only 6 months, compared to 2 years.
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kiara
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posted on June 21, 2005 10:34:47 PM new
I'm not sure about the wages in Canada, Libra. I think it was about $25 to $35 which would be about $20 to $28 US or so but I'm not certain on that and it most likely varies from one province to the next.
From what I understand, many of the nurses they have here now have reached retirement age and there aren't enough young ones being trained. One time they mentioned that some were being lured to the US because of signing bonuses and relocation fees.
It's a tough job because of the shift work and extra requirements they have which gets close to maid service too and I admire anyone that does it.
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crowfarm
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posted on June 21, 2005 11:40:42 PM new
Well, well, kind of refreshing to see linduh doing her own insulting for a change instead of slithering in and using somebody else's '.
Rather extreme impression of me especially since she's the one who advocates and enjoys torture.
Must be a reaction from losing so many arguments
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dblfugger9
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posted on June 22, 2005 04:31:03 AM new
It's a tough job because of the shift work and extra requirements they have which gets close to maid service too ...
Oh brother! Only you would take such a negative & disrespectful view and reduce a registered/licensed nurse to 'maid service'.
F.Y.I: They have to go to school and study biology, chemistry, psychology, pharmacology, and all other aspects of patient care. They're not close to maids, kiara. Maids are unskilled workers in case you dont have a clue about the difference there.
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Libra63
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posted on June 22, 2005 06:16:47 AM new
That is something you wouldn't do Miss crowfarm.
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kiara
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posted on June 22, 2005 06:35:12 AM new
dblfugger9, it's not a negative and disrespectful view on my part, it's reality and fact.
The shortage of nurses in Canada and also funding cutbacks in some provinces means there aren't enough staff in other areas of the hospitals. At times, depending on the shift, some of the jobs that those staff used to take care of are now done by some of the nurses such as tray service and some clean-up... things they didn't go into training to do. It's one of the complaints that they have as well as the number of patients per nurse each time they are on duty.... it's a work overload because of shortages.
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kiara
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posted on June 22, 2005 07:18:06 AM new
This page about the American Nurses Association may explain why more nurses aren't entering the profession. Nurses aren't recommending their job to others as a career choice. Some are physically and verbally assaulted. Some have back injuries. They are burned out from stress and overwork and there are deteriorating working conditions.
http://www.nursingworld.org/readroom/fsshortage.htm
Many nurses in my area prefer to work in private care homes where there are less patients to care for on a shift and working conditions are better.
Diane Sawyer had a special segment on Veteran's hospitals and the conditions were deplorable, as if the patients were almost forgotten by their government. Some weren't being treated for the true problems they had and were just medicated out of their skulls. It was terrible to view so everyone should be concerned about the thousands and thousands of soldiers with serious injuries who are returning home to hospitals.
Bush prefers media attention when he comes into a hospital and awards some soldier a Purple Heart while he spiels on about the hard work he does.
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fiset
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posted on June 22, 2005 08:05:30 AM new
Many nurses in my area prefer to work in private care homes where there are less patients to care for on a shift and working conditions are better.
Right. The problem is not a lack of funding, its a lack of nurses. My wife was a labor and delivery nurse before becoming a full-time mom and she had her pick of jobs from just about every hospital in every city we've lived. A lot of nurses switch to working in private care or simply get out of the field and rarely does it have anything to do with money.
Throwing money around is not the answer to all problems
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crowfarm
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posted on June 22, 2005 08:13:44 AM new
I see fiset agrees with bush that "Throwing money around is not the answer to all problems"
He cut funding for veterans health care ....you both agree on how to NOT support the troops....congratulations.
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dblfugger9
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posted on June 22, 2005 09:16:49 AM new
Well, maybe in Canada you have nurses loading cafeteria trays, but over here, that is done by the food service workers in the hospitals. Nurses are too busy to be mopping floors and other 'maid' duties. Though they may occasionally have to make or remake a bed, or fetch a blanket, but that is part of patient care and I dont think they consider that maid duties.
The fact that you admire them because its a tough job that they may have to do some other things outside of the boundaries of their responsibilities is not what they're worth admiring for, imo. And I dont think saying what they do in their jobs comes close to maid service - is exactly exalting the profession in any way.
Its like me saying I think my kid's teacher is great. After all, he has a tough job taking on extra coaching activities after school and God knows he's really just a grown man thats a big baby sitter five days a week. I'd much rather say I admire him because he's smart, patient, knows kids, and has skills in the craft of teaching. The fact that he has to empty a wastebasket or straighten up his classroom doesnt make him, or his duties, close to a janitor, does it?
But you wont get it at all. Because you just like to hear yourself saying the most degenerative things you can come up with about people. (Rich senior citizens stealing sugars & toilet paper & anything not nailed down! oh my!!) You seem to look at life and its people as always so half-empty, that even if you think you are attempting to say you admire someone; it gets skewered to neg in your brain and eventually comes out as some kind of f/u'd back-handed compliment.
Nurses may be complaining of overwork and overstress, but I bet they dont view themselves as close to being maids. That's your judgement of them.
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Libra63
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posted on June 22, 2005 09:54:10 AM new
Wow Miss crowfarm, you sure do sling alot of mud. first you say that he cuts benefits then you agree with fiset that he is throwing money around. Which is it. Can't have it both ways.
It is to bad that you can't understand that there is a shortage of nurses. Putting more money in the faces of the nurses doesn't work no matter if it is for the veterans. Maybe you should blame the nurses after all they are the ones that accept jobs not Bush.
That's it blame the messenger not the message. It doesn't even take a full brain to know that there are no nurses and the nurses that are working are happy to stay where they are. What do you want the veterans nurses to do work a 24 hour day? Maybe let them take a short nap during the day so they can continue on. Get over your self crowfarm, the more you post the more it sounds like you hate the US.
Tell me what you thought about Kerry when he was running for president?
What I saw was No platform, no direction and a traitor and so did the voters that elected bush. When health care failed in the clinton administration were you angry? Did you post your dissatisfaction in a discussion board like you do here.
I guess I can say this is your life Crowfarm, the Vendio Discussion Board.
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kiara
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posted on June 22, 2005 10:13:37 AM new
dblfugger9, again you try to put a totally different spin on what I am saying here just so you can prove yourself to be the little pick-ass you've always been when it comes to any of my opinions.
I was discussing nurses in Canada. Some are required to do lesser jobs that they shouldn't have to do and I fully agree they shouldn't have to do some of the work that they are required to do. I have the utmost respect for them and in no way am I demeaning them by making a truthful comment.
In fact I can back it up with this link.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/nurses.html
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It's the real world, it's reality. And now I'm opening one more store because I love buying and selling and meeting people from all over the world....... the good I see far outweighs the bad I see in life.
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Libra63
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posted on June 22, 2005 10:13:51 AM new
http://www.factcheck.org/article144.html
Read the whole article and then check the graph.
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fiset
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posted on June 22, 2005 10:24:39 AM new
I see fiset agrees with bush that "Throwing money around is not the answer to all problems"
Thats not what I said but I understand your apparent need to create strawmen arguements so I'm not surprised to see this kind of comment. For the record, fiset agrees with fiset when he gives an opinion. I made no mention of Bush or anyone else in my response. However, its also my opinion that anyone who disagrees with the notion that "throwing money around is not the answer to all problems" likely has no capacity to understand the problems which they write about.
you both agree on how to NOT support the troops
Yet another strawman arguement. Whether or not my support of our troops coincides with your definition of such is of little importance or relevance to anyone, except you, apparently.
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Libra63
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posted on June 22, 2005 10:44:35 AM new
I am sorry I took your words to say something you didn't say. I didn't either make mention of Bush.
I have been to Great Lakes Navel Hospital with my Husband and I find the care that he gets is good. He recently had what we thought was a detached retina and he called them and he got in within 2 hours. I don't think that is bad service. We live about an hour away. The people working there are quite compassionate and I have heard no complaints from them.
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