posted on June 29, 2005 01:44:17 PM
Lily fell, my daughter put her in the swing (those baby swings) and left her 30 seconds! without buckling her in, and boom, she fell. We took her to my dr, (her peditrician wasn't in) he checked her out and said she was fine. That was a week ago.
Now, my daughter has found bruises on her, and we don't know HOW she got them. I watch her a lot, and no, I am so careful with the baby, and both her and her husband are super everything, she can't be in the sun, can't be anywhere where someone has smoked in the last 24 hrs. They are super anal when it comes to thier baby
So she calls me on her way to her dr, to see about the bruises, and started freaking out. She said they sounded 'funny' when she told them about bruising, and now has it in her head that they will take the baby away and charge her with abuse!! (I'm sure you all have seen how CPS comes down hard on parents, for the smallest things) and all the movies out there too, that she watches
I told her, don't worry, but thought to myself, how I would hate to have a new baby in this day and age.
posted on June 29, 2005 02:01:45 PM
Tell her not to worry!
Since you watch the kid most of the time,they will put you under survailance not them.
Here's a word of advice Grandma, next time you beat the (CRAP) out of the kids diaper.
Beat it out side against a tree, not the kid!
I try not to worry, but all you seem to see on the news is parents having their kids taken away (OK, that is an exaggeration, but you do see it ) and all the damn LIFETIME movies she watches, they'd scare me too, if I had a small child now!
Yeh your right, IF anything they would check me out, if they suspected anything. That does bother me. but that kid is so spoiled, I call her 'a princess in training' !
I wouldn't worry too much. Kids get bruises. IMO, too much is made out of them most of the time. My granddaghter, Tiffany, always has one someplace or the other. She probably received them from her fall. It takes a couple of days for some to show up. Gosh, I find bruises on me that I have no idea where they came from. My daughter is anal about Tiffany, too. I can relate to that.
posted on June 29, 2005 02:14:54 PM
Near.. I feel bad for your daughter and her husband for having to feel fear of being charged with abuse but I'm sure that all will be fine.
I have to say that I applaud the doctors who remain vigil in their roll of keeping a keen eye out for abuse..unfortunately it is happening more and more these days.
She is a new mother, and like all new mothers she will worry about everything for the first year at least..my own daughter was running her baby to the pediatrician every time she got the snuffles..LOL..Maggie
posted on June 29, 2005 02:23:48 PM
Thanks Cheryl and Maggie. It scared me too, when my daughter started talking about it, otherwise I wouldn't have thought twice about drs thinking it was abuse and calling CPS.
Yes seems like A LOT of crimes against children are rampant these days! Practically a day doesn't go by, when I watch the news and some child is either missing or dead, and its the parent! that has done it!
Cheryl I think your right, that the bruises are from when she did fall. But she (my daughter) said was they would check for anemia, with blood tests, but I'm sure she is OK
posted on June 29, 2005 02:39:27 PM
Near, what a horrible thing for your daughter to have to think about! I'd like to see a child that doesn't get bruises. Good Lord!
This kind of stuff is a joke.
Why did your daughter take the kid to the Dr's.?
Bruises go away without Dr's. help!
And the Dr. can't tell how it happened, only wonder!
Every thread here turns into political,and when I started it out by Busting your Chops, that is what I was doing! Busting Your Chops!
BUT:
REALISTICALLY!!
This is being brought on by all your: Bleeding Heart Liberals!
They feel the way they live is the way you should live!
Their kids are watched 24/7 by the Nannies they hire.
People are negligent if they don't pay someone to raise their kids!
I live in New Jersey here the have a waste of Tax Payers Money called (DYFUS.)
Now I have raised 4 Stickboys, and am working on a Stickgrandchild.
I have been visited 2/twice in 25 years by DYFUS to see why my Stickboys went to the Dr's. Or why they appeared suddenly in the Hospital.
Well: they Went to the Dr's. because they didn't feel well and they went to the Hospital because they were hurt!
None Of their G.D. Business!
But they make it a big deal!
They come in your house here and Go through it Like Police with a (Search Warrant)!
They left every time with an Apology, saying they had to come because this is what they are paid to do!
But Like you, you feel like S**T because these people had no business in your house in the first place.
posted on June 29, 2005 02:49:17 PM
Dad.. I'm not sure why you would turn this into a "Liberal" thing.. for heavens sake.. must you always put labels on everything and drag politics into every post?
I have no idea what you are talking about the authorities came to your house on two occasions to check out why you had brought your child to the doctor and hospital? I have never heard of such a thing???
I too have raised three children and visited hospitals and doctors with them.. and I never got a visit from the authorities for doing so.. Maggie
posted on June 29, 2005 03:10:43 PM
The grandbaby is fine. Dr said that she probably got the bruises either from the fall, or now she is using her arms, she is hitting on her toys and things around her.
Dad, I know. I'm not sure its a Liberal thing, I think its more of 'need to meet quotas' type thing at CPS here (child protective services) or DSHS (dept of social and health services)
I knew a mother who *almost* got her baby taken away from her. Some neighbor said she was not watching her baby, or some damn thing, and boom, CPS is at her door, and just came in and looked around, and checked out the child. (she was not taken, thank God. and was never abused or neglected)
But then, it could be political, as in city council or other local govt. needing to win an election, and show how they've 'cracked down on abuse or other stuff' and use it in their reelection campaign.
damn, they checked on you for taking you kids to the dr? That is bad. And scary!
posted on June 29, 2005 03:31:48 PM
Nearthesea becareful, CPS here in Washington State is nothing to sneeze at. They seem to get their jollies in harrassing parents.
I know of one family that had the hardest time convincing them that the child liked to rough house play and they were not abusing him.
They actually took the child, but when they observed him diving down the slide head first and jumping from the swings at its highest point, he was returned with a lame apology. He is just being a boy.
posted on June 29, 2005 04:52:45 PM
NearTheSea - Sorry to hear about Lily's fall. I think it was a good idea for you to take her to your doctor and since he gave a 'clean bill of health' that alone would protect you/your daughter from CPS. I doubt the ones who are actually abusing their children bother to take them to the doctors afterward.
Also happy to hear they're going to run some blood work on her....to rule out any problems in that area.
First time mothers do tend to over-react, which to me means all their protective genes are working just fine.
posted on June 29, 2005 05:07:26 PM
I had senior protective services knock on my door one night and barge into my house without a search warrant, and stating they did not need one. A care representative had reported abuse to my MIL. FTR, my MIL managed to whack herself in the face with a back scratcher.
I immediately contacted the Sheriff's watch commander and told them to get a supervisor out to my house before I escalated things and it got ugly. When the Sergeant showed up I had a high gain mike attached to my tape recorder and every word in the house was being recorder, his eyes just about popped out. He wanted to go outside and talk about it (yeah, right) and I told him we might as well sit inside in comfort since they had already invaded my home and violated the constitution. They were gone less than one minute after the supervisor got there.
In playing the tape I heard the reps remarking in amazement what excellent condition MIL was in for someone that had been bed-ridden for almost twenty years. Have I ever mentioned that my wife is an RN? And a Respiratory Therapist? And the only nurse at her hospital to ACE the ACLS test?
I contacted the Sheriff's Watch Commander, and told him to make sure to record the call, and then told him that I was putting them on notice that I was fortifying my residence and that I was substantially arming myself, and if they ever tried that #*!@ with me again that we would dance, and then I sweetly requested that if they wanted to try me to please call me so that I could send the women and children out to safety first.
Then I threw my MIL out, she was gone in seven days.
Heads rolled.
Did I mention that my MIL was a dear friend of the supervisor of the worker making the allegations?
These people think they can walk on the constitution by just passing local laws.
Pansy ass liberals.
Too harsh? Too bad. I am KING in my home.
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The Islamofascist fig-puckers are fighting to spread their culture and religion, and to destroy ours
Whups, spelink.
[ edited by parklane64 on Jun 29, 2005 05:08 PM ]
posted on June 29, 2005 06:00:11 PMDad.. I'm not sure why you would turn this into a "Liberal" thing.. for heavens sake.. must you always put labels on everything and drag politics into every post?
I couldn't help it, all this Crap now a days is politics!
That kind of invasion of your privacy is unbelievable
Your absolutely right, but that's living in N.J.
I had a friend who let his wife's Niece live with them,because her Father was an abusive Drunk.
One day she got in a fight with his wife for one reason or the other, he stepped in and she threw a knife at him.
He spun her around and and gave her a Boot in the Butt and told her to go to her room.
She went and while she was there she Called DYFUS to tell them he kicked her.
He spent 2 weeks in a motel before the checked it out and let him come home!
My brother in law has 2 daughters.
One of the run up an outrageous phone bill,he told her she couldn't use the phone for a week.
She went to school and told a teacher what her Dad had had done.
That night DYFUS came to his house, to investigate child abuse claims brought on by the teacher.
posted on June 29, 2005 06:16:40 PMThe grandbaby is fine. Dr said that she probably got the bruises either from the fall, or now she is using her arms, she is hitting on her toys and things around her.
I'm glad to hear this, seems you have enough going on not to have to worry about things like this!
posted on June 29, 2005 06:20:31 PM
Wait.. Park... I don't understand? You say your MIL has been bed ridden for 20 years..living with you all that time? And did she go along with the abuse claim? Is that why you threw her out? What did her daughter think about you throwing her bed ridden mother out? What happened to her? The worker that was her friend and friends with the supervisor... was she in charge of your MIL's care? Maggie
Dang..judging from the posts here.. I've definitely led a sheltered life it seems!
That kind of invasion of your privacy is unbelievable
In Jersey if your kids are under 14 the have to wear a helmet while riding a bike!
My boy was 15 riding his bicycle/not motorcycle/BIKE, in the driveway he slid in the driveway and fell and cut his lip.
Took him to the hospital, he needed 3 stitches in his lip.
The doctor asked me if he was wearing a helmet.
I said NO he was old enough he didn't need one if he didn't want it.
Besides he was in the drive and a helmet would have made no difference.
They don't protect the mouth.
The next day DYFUS came to the house to talk to me about the safety of the children at home.
Then:
Before they left they wanted to look in the house to see if there was food in the house for the kiddy, kiddy's to eat.
Had to take them in the house,open the cupboards,the refrigerator and take them in the cellar so they could look in the freezer.
And Oh while I'm here so I won't have to come back, could you show me their rooms so I know they have a bed to sleep in!
If you tell them NO to any of their requests they will come back,ASAP with a search warrant and a Cop.
Then you have No choice!
posted on June 29, 2005 07:01:07 PMThen I threw my MIL out, she was gone in seven days. Heads rolled. Did I mention that my MIL was a dear friend of the supervisor of the worker making the allegations? These people think they can walk on the constitution by just passing local laws. Pansy ass liberals. Too harsh? Too bad. I am KING in my home.
Uh-huh...nice fantasy Parklane.
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posted on June 29, 2005 07:16:26 PM
That's really shocking, dadofstickboy! I seriously doubt that some bureaucratic nut would be able to get a warrant to search your refrigerator.
posted on June 29, 2005 08:09:31 PMI seriously doubt that some bureaucratic nut would be able to get a warrant to search your refrigerator.
It's routinely done, with or without a search warrant. You let them in...they'll check it...it's all part of what they're expected to report on. If you don't and they get a search warrant ....they'll do it then.
posted on June 30, 2005 06:10:35 AM
As I stated previously to Dadofstickboy, I seriously doubt that some bureaucratic nut would be able to get a warrant to search your refrigerator.
I said nothing about the normal execution of a search warrant. It's a fantastic leap of gigantic proportions to assume that any judge would grant a search warrant to search a refrigerator for food when the only problem was a kid failing to wear his helmet while riding a bicycle.
In Payton v. New York, (1980), it was established that to enter into a private home, a warrant must be issued under probable cause [evidence that would lead a careful person to believe that a suspect has committed a crime and that the search of the specified area would turn up more evidence].
In your home, you have your greatest stronghold of Fourth Amendment Protection. You may refuse inspection without a warrant. I would suggest this be done with the use of a tape recorder and or video recorder. Without these electronic recording devices, I would write up a letter stating that you strenuously object to any illegal entrance by the agents. That you feel your Fourth Amendment protections are being violated since it has been established that probable cause and not an anonymous tip is needed to garner a warrant issued by a magistrate. Stating in writing that your signature on this letter confirms that this is taking place over your objection and illegally would document these facts. I would attempt to have the agents sign this letter also in agreement that they understand, fully, your position for your refusal to entry into your home to do a warrantless search. Then politely but firmly ask them to leave your premises. A person's home is their castle still applies under Fourth Amendment protection. Don't even allow them to step over the threshold of your doorway since they will say this implied request.
If you have been subjected to a warrantless search, you can request exclusion of any evidence found under the "Exclusionary Rule" which requires evidence collected and offered must be obtained constitutionally, Boyd v. United States 1886, Weeks, v. United States 1914 and Mapp v. Ohio, (1961). This has also been challenged in The United States v. Leon (1984) which allowed evidence offered by the agents of the government to be submitted even if obtained illegally as long as the agents operated in "good faith." This, perhaps, is the door ajar for administrative workers who have so craftily portrayed themselves as "child savers" who obtain entry from anonymous tips of child abuse. Searches and evidence gathering that is purely unconstitutional but continuously upheld because of this established "good faith" doctrine.
In Katz v. United States, the Court upheld that it wasn't property that needed protection but a free person's expectation of privacy. When the war on drugs began to take hold of society, many agents of the government argued that the public good far outweighed the need for probable cause and "reasonable suspicion" seemed to replace the cause standard. To this date, even the reasonable suspicion standard has been watered-down and what began as special circumstances to "stop and frisk" has now become a standard operating procedure for warrentless searching. Many governmental agents are led to believe by their superiors that the public good banishes any Fourth Amendment protection in all circumstances. Alabama v. White (1990) lowered the standard even further by allowing a policeman to seize a person on an anonymous tip.
Since the sovereignty of inherent and inalienable right lies with the citizens, it is of the utmost importance that citizens know their protection from the Bill of Rights and, most importantly, the protection of the Fourth Amendment. Paradoxically, it is by insisting on this protection and asserting the Fourth Amendment that puts a citizen at great threat but may prove to curtail the mischief that the state agents use to bully and threaten and trick their way into consent from the homeowner.
posted on June 30, 2005 07:04:11 AMShe went to school and told a teacher what her Dad had had done. That night DYFUS came to his house, to investigate child abuse claims brought on by the teacher.
In all 50 states there are classes of people who are responsible for the welfare of kids and who are required by law to report, any time they suspect abuse. Teachers are one of those classes. If abuse is uncovered at some point and it can be shown that a teacher, coach, school nurse etc. had reason to suspect it and did nothing, that individual can be criminally charged with child endangerment. I don't know any school employees who take this charge lightly, and they are very careful to consult with their principal, school nurse, counseling staff and others before law enforcement or child protective agencies are notified. Usually, if it's a teacher who first hears or notices signs, he or she will do nothing more than pass the information on to the principal and school nurse, who will do the actual investigating and notifying. You don't mention what the girl told the teacher. If she blew the story up some, it would be the teacher's responsibility to report the incident.
I don't think it's necessarily a good system, but it does catch abusers quite often, and it's the one we're stuck with at this point. Maybe we should go back to the old days, where you could beat your kid black and blue with a razor strop and feel good about it.
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posted on June 30, 2005 07:08:03 AM
LOL....and as I said....it's INCLUDED in part of what they looked at when they're sent out to the homes. With or without a search warrant.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 30, 2005 07:35:23 AM
Naturally, you would not make an effort to defend fourth ammendment rights of an individual against unwarranted search. WHAT is INCLUDED??? A boy fell down while riding his bike without a helmet. Tell me how does that relate to what's in his home refrigerator or his bedroom?
posted on June 30, 2005 07:36:43 AM
And on senior care....there is also a law, at least in CA, that requires anyone in the health care field to report any suspected senior abuse too. New hires to hospitals, in the late 80's, were required to sign a form stating they understood and would follow this law.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
