posted on July 7, 2005 08:46:31 AM new
Wouldn't it be interesting to have an exceedingly rich, successfull person to examine all OUR lives. Maybe a famous Nobel prize winning scientist or world renowned author.
THEY might say,
If only those people would get off their computer and work harder they could be as rich and succesful as I.
They waste so much time chattering away for no reason when they could be accomplishing so much more in their lives.
Maybe if they got a better education, learned to spell correctly, learned history, they would move upwards in their lives instead of stagnating at the same level of intellectual poverty in a chat room.
Maybe if they quit selling trinkets on ebay and got a real job, or several jobs, they would be a wonderfully rich as I am. What's wrong with those people?
Why don't they take personal responsibility for them selves and do some good ?
Have they written a best selling book lately ? Why not? Are they just that lazy? Or just like to play victim?
I'm sure after they read this post the phony reasons and excuses will start pouring in...everbody's the "victim".
Have they developed any new inventions, life saving drugs, space craft, alternate energy sources?
How many works of art do they have in museums ? None? Maybe they were too busy pumping out kids to take the time!
How lazy can you get?
How many sports records have these "chatters" broken? Why aren't they riding side by side with the likes of Lance?
What's wrong with them?
Lazy and worthless every one of them
They just coast along sucking off society expecting everyone else to take care of them.
It's a socio-economic cycle that should be broken.
posted on July 7, 2005 10:16:55 AM new
And I think some of us here would agree with you. I certainly would.
I know mny own time could be better spent working harder. And I know very well I could make a lot more money if I tried harder.
But there is one thing you aren't taking into account... Money is not the ultimate goal for many of us. I need enough to get by obviously, but I have no plans for a mansion and sports cars. Money is a means, not an end.
Fame? Not for me, wouldn't want it and have avoided the opportunities I have had.
Riches? Living comfortably would be nice, but my tastes are pretty modest.
Education? After 14 years of running my own business, I've been back to school for about a year. A bit of a delay, but I'm working on it. I definitely believe that the more education you get the better off you will be, and no, I don't mean money.
And yes, I fully realize your post was intended as sarcasm. But anyone with an open mind should be completely willing to accept criticism. Including the people Cosby criticizes.
If some rich guy said the things you posted about my group, I would NOT consider it a personal attack. I may or may not agree with it, but wouldn't consider it an attack.
Many African-Americans seem to see Cosby's remarks as an attack on them. My own opinion is they just are not used to hearing the actual truth, just a bunch of politically-correct BS from politicians.
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum sonatur.
posted on July 7, 2005 10:19:17 AM new
Thanks, Ron, I'm not trying to be mean, just point out that everybody has their own perspective on what others SHOULD do.
P.S.
None of MY paintings are hanging in the Louvre. Guess I'm just too lazy to paint more.....
posted on July 7, 2005 10:44:16 AM newCosby has made a few decisions that might be called personally irresponsible.
I think we all have.
I have all the money that I need to live comfortably why do I need more?
I spend my time as I like. That's what happens when you retire.
Yes I could do more but after 45 years of hard work, including 24 hour call and many hours of continuing education it was time to hang it up. I'm tired.
posted on July 7, 2005 11:02:27 AM new
Another thing I believe isn't being taken into account by the OP is that most of us here ARE either working to support ourselves or are retired....get to play as we wish.
Whereas the group Cosby was speaking to AREN'T self-sufficient nor are they even headed in that direction. They're headed for MORE failure...more poverty...and more government dependence.
And yes, imo, when the taxpayers are SUPPORTING them, I believe it gives us a say as to whether they need to start taking personal responsibility for themselves and a BIG say in how we feel about that.
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I kind of liken it to when one stills lives at home...being taken care of by their parents...and don't want to follow their rules. Fine....move out, take care of yourself, THEN you get to decided how you want to live your life....when you CAN take care of yourself.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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posted on July 7, 2005 11:04:36 AM new
I'm not just talking about Cosby.And maybe the poor might say to the posters in the Cosby thread
-Maybe those posters should examine their own lives-
Libra63 says
--Cosby has made a few decisions that might be called personally irresponsible.
I think we all have. --
(too bad it didn't bring a little humility and understanding)
--I have all the money that I need to live comfortably why do I need more? --
(YOUR perspective, maybe someone else thinks you're a failure with what little you have)
--I spend my time as I like. That's what happens when you retire.--
(some may see that as lazy)
--Yes I could do more but after 45 years of hard work, including 24 hour call and many hours of continuing education it was time to hang it up. I'm tired.--
posted on July 7, 2005 11:12:48 AM new
LOL @ no one but Ron has 'got it'. According to you....but according to others....myself included...we obviously see it MUCH differently.
But, of course, it's understood that if anyone see's it differently than you do....we're the one's that are wrong.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:14:30 PM new
LOL....let's see...did I mention that I don't think people shouldn't be allowed to speak freely about how they see middle-class American's living their lives? Or how the rich should or shouldn't spend their own money. No....don't think so.
And it works both ways.
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Just remember.....we ALL have the right to free speech - to do and say what we want to - as long as it's within our laws.
There's a HUGE difference between Cosby trying to 'call it like it is' to those who aren't able to take care of themselves.....vs those of us who DO take care of themselves being the subject of the 'gossip'. We're not creating a 'cost' to other taxpayers because we are self-sufficient like they're not. They're NOT carrying their own weight in society....we are to differing degrees....as WE choose.
Why do YOU have a problem with Cosby suggesting what they might consider changing....where the parents have failed their own children....where they're headed in the wrong direction in their lives. Do you think it's so terrible to point out destructive behavior when no one can deny it's happening?
Or is this going to be another case where you won't answer questions?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:28:22 PM newI'm a White swamp dweller and Proud of It!
And if you uppity rich and successful folk have the need to tell me where I've gone wrong or what I should or shouldn't do to be more like you...go ahead...and speak slowly so I can write it all down and I can pass it on to those who I consider lower and less successful than me..
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posted on July 7, 2005 12:43:02 PM new
Maggie? what is a 'swamp dweller'? LOL!! I don't know cuz I'm a Yankee according to some Oklahomans
Mingotree, the only one that got it is Ron. Is that because he agreed with you?
I have always thought that a lot of people spend too much time on the internet.
I don't think there is much to be made on ebay any longer, unless you have a store or the like, of the latest tech toy, new clothing etc
The fees and FVF are too much IMO for the casual seller
I'm not on here that much, I have other stuff to do. Around here its an unwritten rule, to stay off the computer on the weekends.
I am learning to play golf
We are looking forward to retirement. I do not work any longer, my husband does.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:47:04 PM new
Maggie, I thought you were the rich uppity one, what with black widowing all them husbands and stuff.....hahahaha! (kidding ya maggie!)
Near, I think you are right. Has ebay seen its hey-day for casual sellers? Seems like it lately (and I keep listing like a nilly-willy -anyway whats up with that?) And yes, I find so much stuff for me falls by the wayside because of this computer and this damnnn RT!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:52:55 PM new
Linda, what if some white guy came along to straighten out the whites as a group? Wouldn't it be laughable? Why would it be any different for blacks?
posted on July 7, 2005 01:03:30 PM new
Remember we had this discussion before about Maggie. Remember trading spouses and the wife from the bijou. It was just on a couple of weeks ago and I think she was the one wife. She married a younger man because older ones were lazy. It was an interesting life these people lived and how they thoroughly enjoyed it. They had one son. I think this life is one that many would want but can't give up their money to do it. They even had a interesting dialect. Now was that you Maggie?
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(YOUR perspective, maybe someone else thinks you're a failure with what little you have)
So How little do I have? remember You can't take it with you.
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I spend my time as I like. That's what happens when you retire.--
(some may see that as lazy)
So what if I am lazy I earned it.
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--Yes I could do more but after 45 years of hard work, including 24 hour call and many hours of continuing education it was time to hang it up. I'm tired.--
(and how dare poor people get tired)
So with your asumption I am nothing. Well We have to believe in ourselves and what others think I don't care. People like me as I am not as they want me to be. That is how you pick friends. You don't pick them because they are rich. Money can't by happiness that has to come with friends and family. Money might buy it for a short time but it really gets old after a while.
posted on July 7, 2005 01:07:50 PM new
LOL..DBL..it's all relative..some people think they are rich and uppity up if they've made the final payment on their false teeth.. LOL
Near.. I pretty much live in America's basement, swamps and wet land here.. dig two feet and find water..thus Swamp dwellers..LOL
Now.. did you conjure up images of "Deliverance" or something..or "creature from the deep lagoon"..hee hee.. um..just about..
posted on July 7, 2005 01:13:35 PM newThey waste so much time chattering away for no reason when they could be accomplishing so much more in their lives. Maybe if they quit selling trinkets on ebay and got a real job, or several jobs, they would be a wonderfully rich as I am. What's wrong with those people?
IS: That what your Friends and Relatives have been telling you?
They just coast along sucking off society expecting everyone else to take care of them.
IF: This is what you've been doing,then maybe you should listen to them!
posted on July 7, 2005 01:27:25 PM new
Libra, I watched that episode of Trading Spouses. I was almost sick to my stomach at how that bitchy opinionated vegetarian chick acted. At least she made a fool of herself! The Cajun wife was a gift from God - what a sweetheart! They had one child, not much money or education, but they were the type of people you wish could be cloned.
posted on July 7, 2005 01:45:39 PM new
KD - Are you under some false impression that white people aren't doing the same thing? They are....and they're mostly the groups you put down ever chance you get.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 01:52:29 PM new
KD I agree with you about the vegatarian. I wonder how they pair those wives. It always seems that one is more wealthy than the other.
I just loved that little boy. We didn't get any information about his schooling but he sounded pretty smart. Wouldn't it be nice to live on a river, like they did, did tours, and enjoyed life as it should be instead of the rat race that we live in. Give me the simple life.
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posted on July 7, 2005 02:08:29 PM new
LOL.. Libra..no.. that wasn't me.. I live in Mississippi, remember..and I don't have a coon- ass accent.. I think I saw that episode last season? Maybe it was a repeat?
Little sturdy blond boy, cracked me up.. he sure spoke his mind, didn't he.. lol..
I think the life style looks nice but it wouldn't be my choice.. I don't like to get sweaty and I don't like swamp creatures or bugs and things.. my idea of camping is in a 5 star hotel, with room service..HA!
posted on July 7, 2005 04:29:02 PM new
Linda, who tries to tell white people what's wrong with the way they are?
Libra, I think that's the idea of the show, but I've only seen it twice. I think it's to show rich people how it feels to live like most of us do and visa-versa. The rich ones are always so judgemental and the "poor" ones just seem happy with what they have. Maybe that's the idea Libra - to make the rich ones look like jerks.
posted on July 7, 2005 05:38:31 PM new
I 'get' it, I just think it is really lame.
Maybe the Coz is just tired of being embarrassed by the majority of 'black' people he meets. A one armed Korean paper hanger that speaks no English can immigrate here and have more in a year than the majority of 'black' people have after generations.
They should lose the 'tude, it just turns off everybody but their co-victims and liberal whites suffering from recto-cranial inversion.
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The Islamofascist fig-puckers are fighting to spread their culture and religion, and to destroy ours
posted on July 7, 2005 06:32:06 PM new
"A one armed Korean paper hanger that speaks no English can immigrate here and have more in a year than the majority of 'black' people have after generations. "
There really is quite a lot of truth in that. Back in my flea market days, the people in the next booth over were Koreans. One Korean woman had married an American man and he did all the talking. The woman had three or four Korean immigrant partners, NONE of whom spoke English (or spoke it so badly I couldn't tell the difference).
Those people worked their butts off every weekend. My flea market was only open on Saturdays & Sundays. What did they do? They drove 300 miles to a flea market near Cleveland that was open on Fridays. They would drive back 300 miles on Friday night and get home at 3am to open up at my market Saturday at 8am.
Other American dealers would make jokes about them being "Ferengi" (If you're into Star Trek, you'll catch the refernce.... Short, greedy, anything-for-abuck "aliens". But I admire them above all others for their work ethic. I've never before or since seen anyone work so hard to make a life on their own.
They had successes and failures like everyone else did, but they worked their asses off to get ahead. Within a year they were buying brand new minivans and renting storage lockers in multiple cities. And they still could barely scrape by with a few words of English. I left the flea market not long after that to open my own store, so I don't know whatever became of them, but I would bet anything and everything that they aren't sitting at home on welfare today.
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum sonatur.
posted on July 7, 2005 11:44:36 PM new
LindaKAnd yes, imo, when the taxpayers are SUPPORTING them, I believe it gives us a say as to whether they need to start taking personal responsibility for themselves and a BIG say in how we feel about that.---
And yet no one in here seems to want to tell the really wealthy people who pay little or no taxes how they should run their lives.
LindaK--posted on July 7, 2005 12:14:30 PM
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LOL....let's see...did I mention that I don't think people shouldn't be allowed to speak freely about how they see middle-class American's living their lives? Or how the rich should or shouldn't spend their own money. No....don't think so.
And it works both ways. ---
(What ARE you talking about?)
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--Just remember.....we ALL have the right to free speech - to do and say what we want to - as long as it's within our laws.--
(Who said you don't?)
There's a HUGE difference between Cosby trying to 'call it like it is' to those who aren't able to take care of themselves.....vs those of us who DO take care of themselves being the subject of the 'gossip'. We're not creating a 'cost' to other taxpayers because we are self-sufficient like they're not. --
(Taxes support everyone not just the poor, you are not selfsufficient, nobody truly is)
--They're NOT carrying their own weight in society....we are to differing degrees....as WE choose.---
(That's in your opinion, maybe not in someone else's opinion, some one else may ask why are you doing so little compared to them)
--Why do YOU have a problem with Cosby suggesting what they might consider changing---
(Where exactly did I say that?)
---....where the parents have failed their own children....where they're headed in the wrong direction in their lives. Do you think it's so terrible to point out destructive behavior when no one can deny it's happening?---
(No, I don't and that's not what the OP was about)
--Or is this going to be another case where you won't answer questions?--
I answered the questions and now it's time for you to tell me how I twisted your words and that I'm delusional....your standard reply
posted on July 8, 2005 06:19:24 AM new
From Replaymedia
--And yes, I fully realize your post was intended as sarcasm.
(Nope, it was meant to make people think from another perspective)
--But anyone with an open mind should be completely willing to accept criticism.--
(Not here)
--Including the people Cosby criticizes.
If some rich guy said the things you posted about my group, I would NOT consider it a personal attack. I may or may not agree with it, but wouldn't consider it an attack.--(Some in here did, got defensive and insulting, must've hit nerve))
--Many African-Americans seem to see Cosby's remarks as an attack on them.--
(Well so did people in here!!!)
-- My own opinion is they just are not used to hearing the actual truth, just a bunch of politically-correct BS from politicians-- (We ALL have that problem!)
[ edited by mingotree on Jul 8, 2005 06:24 AM ]
According to you....but according to others....myself included...we obviously see it MUCH differently.
