posted on July 23, 2005 05:14:18 AM new
I hate it in the fall and winter when it eventually gets dark before 5:00. Those are the days I got to work in the dark and come home in the dark. This is one proposed change I can live with. I don't understand why the airlines say it could be dangerous, though. You have to imagine that the electrical companies hate the idea! I can also understand parent groups not liking the idea. I guess it's one of those catch 22 situations. So, now were suddenly being considerate of Europe and the time they're on? Funny thing to be considerate of since we don't seem to care much about their opinions on anything else over there.
Daylight-saving extension draws heat over safety, cost
By Wendy Koch, USA TODAY Fri Jul 22, 7:27 AM ET
A move by Congress to extend daylight-saving time for four weeks to save energy has prompted an outcry from parent groups and the nation's airline industry, which warn it could be dangerous and costly.
Lawmakers from the House and Senate agreed Thursday to include a provision - part of a larger energy bill - that would start daylight-saving time three weeks earlier, the second Sunday in March, and end it a week later, the first Sunday of November. Kids would have an hour more daylight for trick-or-treating on Halloween.
"This is a huge victory for sunshine lovers," says Rep. Edward Markey (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., co-author of the bipartisan measure the House passed April 21. The change would become permanent in spring 2007 if Congress passes the overall energy bill, which is far from certain. President Bush says he wants an energy bill, but his administration opposes an extension of daylight-saving time.
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman has warned it would "raise serious international harmonization problems for the transportation industry."
The Air Transport Association, which represents major U.S. airlines, argues that it would throw U.S. international schedules further out of sync with Europe. It says a two-month extension, the initial proposal, would cost the U.S. airline industry $147 million and disrupt overseas travel.
"This is an ultimate disaster for airlines and all of our customers, who will be horribly inconvenienced," says James May, the group's president and CEO.
The National PTA is also opposed, arguing that more kids will go to school in the dark, raising the potential for more accidents or abductions. Yet retailers say it would boost business, as people shop more, and improve the nation's fitness. Tom Cove, president of the Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association, says kids will play outside rather than watch TV.
Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., co-author of the extension, says he added it to the energy bill because it would save electricity. He cites a 1970s Department of Transportation study that says it would save the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil daily.
posted on July 23, 2005 05:22:59 AM newThe change would become permanent in spring 2007 if Congress passes the overall energy bill, which is far from certain. President Bush says he wants an energy bill, but his administration opposes an extension of daylight-saving time.
Now why doesn't this surprise me.
The National PTA is also opposed, arguing that more kids will go to school in the dark, raising the potential for more accidents or abductions.
And how do the kids get to school in the months between November and April? It would be no different since the kids go to school during the darkest months of the year as it is already.
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posted on July 23, 2005 05:41:54 AM new
It's certainly a big mess but one thing for certain I disagree with
--Tom Cove, president of the Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association, says kids will play outside rather than watch TV. --
So if it's dark out the only thing kids can do is watch TV? Must have really lousy parents.
I know parents who let their kids sit in the house watching TV and playing video games until they look like toadstools.....anytime of the year.
Abductions? They happen all the time in broad daylight.
--and end it a week later, the first Sunday of November. Kids would have an hour more daylight for trick-or-treating on Halloween.--
Big deal!
This is NO reason at all...keep them home.
So do we really save on oil and will it really hurt the airlines..???????
posted on July 23, 2005 06:13:36 AM new
Why wouldn't we be saving on oil if the amount of electricity we consume is less? I don't see it hurting the airlines, though. People will travel no matter what. We saw that after 9/11. I'd rather see my granddaughter trick-or-treating in lighter hours rather than in the darker ones. Children may be more apt to play outside if it's lighter out. I most certainly would not allow my child to play outside when it's dark. I think you will find most children would prefer to be outside playing than watching TV. Around here they are outside from early morning (around 8:00 a.m.) until the sun goes down. No TV couch potatoes around here. Guess it depends on where you live.
All-in-all, I think it's a good idea. Mingotree, I have no idea where you stand with the comments you made. I mostly agree with things you say here, but your comment to this thread struck me as blabbering. Are you on a coffee high?
Cheryl
[ edited by cblev65252 on Jul 23, 2005 06:14 AM ]
posted on July 23, 2005 06:20:43 AM new
Sorry you took it personally, Cheryl. I wasn't directing my comments to your kids directly but to kids in general and what I have seen and heard about their growing trend to fat butts, early heart disease, early adult diabetes and all that.
And change daylight savings time to accomodate trick or treaters! Ridiculous.
Why do I have to Take a Stand? I just made some comments and asked some questions.
What's wrong with that?
Sorry I wasn't more interesting, I suppose we could go back to discussing BOTTLED WATER..
posted on July 23, 2005 06:44:39 AM new
LOL, mingotree. I didn't take it personally. I just added my comments to your comments to logansdad's comments to my comments. Now I think I'm the one high on coffee.
posted on July 23, 2005 02:27:14 PM new
Back in the 60s when I became a newspaper reporter, one of the first feature stories I was assigned to write was about the time change coming up with daylight saving time beginning. I researched the subject a bit and wrote a (damn fine) feature story about how people react to DST. Farmers hate it because their cows take a long time to get used to the new milking schedule. Etc. etc. etc. Nothing really has changed, has it?!
I'd like to see it all year round but . . . I guess that'll be when pigs fly.
posted on July 23, 2005 04:22:54 PM new
You would think most people would enjoy more daylight. I know I can't stand the gloom during the winter time. I can't wait for spring to come.
During the winter it is cold here in the midwest so I don't think the kids would be playing outside much anyway. I think most kids do not walk to school these days. I feel they either are bused or are driven to school by their parents.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 23, 2005 04:35:11 PM new
I feel the same way the cows do. As soon as I get use to it they change it back.
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posted on July 23, 2005 04:43:06 PM new
Tell me again WHY we need DST at all in this post-agricultural world? It's not like the kids need to get up early to feed the chickens anymore.
They shouldn't be extending DST, they should be ELIMINATING it.
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posted on July 23, 2005 06:59:33 PM newTell me again WHY we need DST at all in this post-agricultural world? It's not like the kids need to get up early to feed the chickens anymore.
They shouldn't be extending DST, they should be ELIMINATING it.
I disagree. It is an energy saving method.
Daylight Saving Time (or Summer Time as it is called in many countries) is a way of getting more out of the summer days by advancing the clocks by one hour during the summer. Then, the sun will appear to rise one hour later in the morning when people are usually asleep anyway, at the benefit of one hour longer evenings when awake: The sunset and sunrise are one hour later than during normal time.
DST could save energy (less artificial light is needed during the evening) and make the country more efficient in addition to the pleasing effect of lighter evenings.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
