posted on July 27, 2005 12:07:37 PM
Because of the lack of people wanting to adopt black and mixed race babies in the U.S., Canada has been adopting them in large numbers. I read that Americans want healthy, lily-white babies and will wait years for them instead of adopting what's available, leaving most of these babies and children without families. Some American adoption agencies are outraged and say the U.S. is exporting babies instead of keeping them in the country they were born in. What do you think?
posted on July 27, 2005 12:24:18 PM
Mingotree, I'm still waiting for one of these right-to-life advocates to show me/us all, how many have adopted. They claim to have millions on "their side", so surely there's enough documentation on it by now to prove they mean what they say.
As for Canada adopting, it was compared to third world adoptions, when a country can't take care of its own.
posted on July 27, 2005 12:34:19 PM
Someone being pro-life, doesn't mean they would adopt.
Why excuse the people who produced those unwanted babies?
Does making an excuse for having sex seem the way out? People can be against abortion and still not want children in their life.
But making excuses for those who have babies and can't afford them seems to be the answer. Couldn't they of just not had sex or made sure a contraceptive was used?
posted on July 27, 2005 01:31:32 PMSome American adoption agencies are outraged and say the U.S. is exporting babies instead of keeping them in the country they were born in. What do you think?
It doesn't surprise me since some Americans go to great lengths to go outside the US to adopt healthy foreign babies.
In Florida there was a couple that has been foster parents to 5 kids who were born with HIV. A couple of the kids are now in their teens. They would like to adopt the children but they can not for legal reasons. This couple has raised the kids since birth when nobody else wanted them. The state considers them good enough to be foster parents but not good enough to be adoptive parents. Go figure.
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posted on July 27, 2005 02:08:59 PM
KD - That sounded to me like you aren't interested in hearing the views from anyone on the left...the pro-abortion side.
I think it's wonderful that there are Canadians adopting the un-adoptable children here in the US. Just as many here in the US adopt from other countries. It's wonderful these children are finding homes where they will be loved and taken care of.
I also don't find anything wrong with couples who want to adopt white healthy babies either. We have choice in the US....no matter how some might like to limit it....and say what they're doing, by not wanting a different race or a baby born with drug addictions from any race. It's NORMAL to want a healthy child.....not abnormal as some choose to paint it.
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posted on July 27, 2005 02:55:11 PM
Linda, why do you use words like "pro-abortion"? Being pro-choice means just that, not pro-abortion.
And I'm interested in hearing all views. I'm thrilled that Canada is colour-blind and happily adopts these children. I also wonder why the U.S., being one of the richest countries on the planet, can't find adoptive homes in the U.S. What's missing?
As for anti-abortionists adopting, sure some might not want children, etc., but out of those that are anti-abortion, how many have adopted? Or are the stats too embarrassing to publish?
posted on July 27, 2005 03:17:38 PM
Hmmm, logansdad. I wonder why Florida won't let them adopt the children they have raised?
A couple of friends of mine are raising a cute little mixed race boy as foster parents, and they are adopting him with no problems at all.
Linda, why do you use words like "pro-abortion"? Being pro-choice means just that, not pro-abortion.
No, imo, it doesn't. Whether or not you'd choose to have an abortion.....you are voting to/condoning allowing them to be aborted. No difference.
I understand that there are some who say they wouldn't approve of or get an abortion themselves....but the support those who want to doing so. That is allowing the deaths to take place by others.
And I'm interested in hearing all views.
Good....glad to be told I didn't take what you said above in the correct way.
I also wonder why the U.S., being one of the richest countries on the planet, can't find adoptive homes in the U.S. What's missing?
As I said...I don't see our country as being any different as many other countries who have had problems placing their 'own' children in their 'own' country.
As for anti-abortionists adopting, sure some might not want children, etc., but out of those that are anti-abortion, how many have adopted? Or are the stats too embarrassing to publish?
I see this as being no different than you and other female posters here making a choice to remain childless or making a choice not to adopt. Should we FORCE any of you to adopt ANY child you don't want to....just because we feel you SHOULD or you are financally able to??
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posted on July 27, 2005 03:36:12 PM
Ron - I agree in wondering why those children couldn't have been adopted by their foster family. Some things about the way the government runs 'child care system' are just plain nuts.
I know many families that have adopted mixed race/culture children. Some have worked our beautifully while others have been disasters for the families and the adoptive families.
There are many argument against cross race/culture adoptions.....and usually they have to do with the child not being able to 'connect/identify' with the 'different' parents.
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posted on July 27, 2005 03:46:19 PM
Ron - I caught that after I posted....thank you..
I have a hard time with gays doing either....I struggle with wanting the children to have good, loving homes period. But on the other hand....I don't think they set the best role models for young children. Then there's the fact that no one else has come forward to take them from the state....
So I continue to struggle, being torn between the two issues.
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posted on July 27, 2005 03:53:17 PM
I guess I will get comments, but if a gay couple lives a committed life to each other, provides a good home, I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to adopt.
After all, there are a lot of married foster parents who certainly aren't the best for kids. I can point out an example.
posted on July 27, 2005 04:03:26 PM
etexbill - I know it works in many different ways......I guess for me personally the very best situation is being raised by a married father mother.
There are so many different studies that speak to the many varied issues of what is in a child's best interest....and in our ever changing society the 'mix' gets harder and harder to sort out.
I even have a little trouble with single parents adopting....for many of the same reasons.... But there are many heterosexual single parents raising children, alone too.
To me the most healthy situation is when a little girl gets to 'practice' her feminine side on her dad and the same for a young boy on his mother. There are studies that say this is how children's whole way they see the world are formed....in those very early years....how they react to different situations they will face....how they will react.
I have no problems with those who disagree with me.....that's what makes the 'world go 'round'.
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posted on July 27, 2005 04:19:36 PM
Thanks, maggie.
Linda, I can see your point. One of my friends when, I lived in Ft. Worth, was my barber (yes at one time I had hair). He was a great guy and lived with a partner. They were committed to each other and were together for many years, and probably are still but I have lost contact. They raised a boy and a girl that were the actual children of my friend who was divorced when the children were very young and he got custody. Those two kids turned out to be great adults, smart, talented, and both later married.
posted on July 27, 2005 04:25:59 PM
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posted on July 27, 2005 04:45:05 PM
I know, etexbill, we each come to these boards with our own personal experiences that have helped us to form our opinions one way or the other.
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But I'M not worried you're going to become a radical liberal any time soon.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 27, 2005 05:40:36 PM
Don't worry extexbill, we like all kinds of liberals here. You don't need to be an extreme liberal in order to fit in here.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 27, 2005 05:42:40 PMAfter all, there are a lot of married foster parents who certainly aren't the best for kids.
I can take that one step further....there are a lot of married parents who certainly aren't the best for kids.
And then there are the single moms or dads that are doing a better job than some married couples raising a kid.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 27, 2005 05:44:57 PM
Extexbill if you are interested in reading the Florida story, here is a link to their website:
http://www.lethimstay.com/
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 27, 2005 08:40:35 PM
I think stability is the key more than anything else. Whether it's a stable gay relationship, a stable traditional marriage, or a stable, confident single parent doesn't matter to a kid. It's when there are live in boyfriends and girlfriends coming and going, each with his or her own values and experiences, that's what goofs kids up...kids like routine, they need to always know where they stand with the grownups in their lives, they need firm, consistent lines drawn all the time, this is what gives them security and confidence. Unstable relationships, whether they're gay or hetero, are bad for kids.
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posted on July 27, 2005 10:17:46 PM
Kraft said "Because of the lack of people wanting to adopt black and mixed race babies in the U.S., Canada has been adopting them in large numbers."
I would like to see your stats on that. It is almost impossible for a white couple to adopt a Normal Black baby here in the United States. Why? because of Black involvement in the adoption procedure. Normal Mixed race babies are not adopted quickly by all races in all countries that is the plan facts.
Those that are not normal, no matter what its race is, don't get adopted by any race. That is also a fact in all countries.
Many normal babies of all races never get adopted in the United States because parents will not sign adoption papers. By the time they are cleared for adoption. If they ever are, no one wants them. That is also a fact.
If normal black and mixed race American babies are adopted in Canada it has to be done through an American agency dealing with an American Judge, U.S. welfare case worker and the approval of the State of which the babie is adopted from. That is U.S. law..
