posted on September 26, 2005 12:13:31 PM"I would like to say to Cindy Sheehan and her supporters don't be a group of unthinking lemmings. It's not pretty," said Mitzy Kenny of Ridgeley, W.Va., whose husband died in Iraq last year. The anti-war demonstrations "can affect the war in a really negative way. It gives the enemy hope."
posted on September 26, 2005 01:30:09 PM
While people like sheehan protest.....the thing I worry about most is that imo, too many American's aren't aware of just who's behind the groups that organize these events.
If they knew, would they REALLY side with our enemies? I don't believe most would. But the DON'T know....
I read articles like this all the time....and it greatly concerns me for the future of our Nation.
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Leaders of "Anti-War" Rally Support Terrorist War Against America
September 23, 2005 WASHINGTON --
Accuracy in Media (AIM) editor Cliff Kin
caid said today
[sorry, for some reason it won't allow me to copy it]....
but it does mention the groups that pretend to be 'peaceloving' when in fact, they'd like nothing better than to see the downfall of our Nation.
posted on September 26, 2005 01:48:54 PM
This is where you and I differ Linda, I don't really care about where the money comes from, they have the right to protest but I think breaking the law os over stepping that right.
posted on September 26, 2005 01:51:05 PM
Okay...got it to work now.
Leaders of "Anti-War" Rally Support Terrorist War Against America
September 23, 2005
WASHINGTON --
Accuracy in Media (AIM) editor Cliff Kincaid said today that one of the leaders of the group organizing Saturday's "anti-war" rally in Washington has posted an article urging "solidarity" with the "Iraqi fighters" and "resistance" killing American troops and innocent civilians in Iraq.
This shows, Kincaid said, that the "anti-war" protest has been unmasked by one of its own leaders as a pro-war organization that seeks to kill those struggling for freedom and democracy in Iraq and around the world.
The article, "Iraqi resistance earns world's respect," is posted on the web site of the Workers World Party (WWP) and is written by John Catalinotto, a WWP veteran who also represents International ANSWER, the WWP front that is organizing and sponsoring the Saturday protest.
The Workers World Party is an openly communist organization sympathetic to regimes such as those in Cuba and North Korea.
The Catalinotto article states that it is appropriate "that the U.S. anti-war movement, especially the serious opponents of imperialism, think of the Iraqi resistance as an important ally…The duty of the movement here is to join the struggle to make the continued U.S. occupation of Iraq impossible and to do this in solidarity with the Iraqi sisters and brothers who have stopped the empire in its tracks."
Kincaid said he was tipped off about the article by Herbert Romerstein, a former government investigator into communist strategy and tactics who produced a 1974 congressional study, "The Workers World Party and its Front Organizations," examining how the organization manipulated innocent people into supporting communist regimes and Arab terrorism.
Romerstein told Kincaid that the Catalinotto article reveals the real intentions of the protest organizers. "They've finally come out in the open," he said. "They've pretended to be for peace. But they're really a solidarity group for Al Qaeda and the terrorists in Iraq. The Marxist-Leninists and the Islamic fundamentalists are now allied against the United States."
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Accuracy In Media (AIM) is a non-profit, grassroots citizens watchdog of the news media that critiques botched and bungled news stories and sets the record straight on important issues that have received slanted coverage.
posted on September 26, 2005 03:07:19 PM
If she has Sharpton in her camp, better keep one hand on your wallet. He has already proven he cares only for himself.
posted on September 26, 2005 05:34:22 PM
damn, I don't know if some lefty orginization is using her or what?
The pictures from this article about her arrest, were, well, I dunno, you decide
but she's still smiling..........
and from the article
James Taranto, editor of OpinionJournal.com, this week unearthed comments Sheehan made at an anti-war rally at San Francisco State University in April:"I'm going all over the country telling moms:[b]'This country is not worth dying for.' If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it.
posted on September 26, 2005 06:04:10 PM
smiling 'cause she's got her arms around two young hotties
and...one of those young uns has a hand on her inner thigh...
posted on September 27, 2005 10:10:09 AM
I have to agree with that Ron, her son did die in Iraq, and that losing a child is the most horrible thing for a parent.
But to go on like this, I dunno.
I do not like that fact that she says 'This country is not worth fighting for'
And getting more attention (thats what it surely looks like!) for being arrested, look at the pictures, no one has messed with them! I would be really ashamed and embarrased (for my child and myself) to look like that in pictures that the whole world sees.
posted on September 27, 2005 01:53:51 PMI do not like that fact that she says 'This country is not worth fighting for'
Since that isn't what she said, you don't have to worry about it.
See, neocons keep repeating this dis-information, I guess on the theory that if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it's true.
Sheehan was actually referring to IRAQ, not the US, as a country not worth dying for.
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posted on September 27, 2005 02:30:04 PM
I disagree, bunni. She did say those words....and imo, it's all in how we 'take/interpret' what she really meant.
But she's made speeches basically saying the same thing. After she took some 'heat' for saying that...and people were starting to say she was a 'fruitcake' she then modified her statement some.
I'll provide the link asap...but this women even blamed this country for taking military action when we WERE attacked on 9-11. She was a political activist BEFORE her son was killed. She didn't *start* all this BECAUSE her son was killed. Had she, imo, her initial statements of PRAISE about her meeting with this president wouldn't have been what they were. But once she started getting some media attention....THEN....her story changed....dramatically.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cindy_Sheehan/Archive_2
[And I have always found this site to be very far...not taking sides....just giving links to back up the TRUTH....so we can verify it ourselves.
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Stephen Spruiell from National Review’s Media Welbog also criticized Sheehan for an April 27 2005 speech given at San Francisco State University for imprisoned NLG member Lynne Stewart, where Sheehan raised questions about the September 11th attacks. [17]
In the speech Sheehan said: "I’m going all over the country telling moms: his country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause}
We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada.
Which by the way her son didn't WANT TO DO.
I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have.
See....she's speaking about our system....our government....not the Iraq war alone.
The people are good, the system is morally repugnant."
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Imo, she's just another liberal activist from the 'loony-toon' farm and is NOT pro-American....let alone ONLY against the Iraq war.
I don't see you that way....even though you'd never agreed with this war. There's a HUGE difference in not liking our form of government....and opposing a war.
She's against our governments policies.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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posted on September 27, 2005 02:51:04 PM
If she used those exact words and is standing on United States soil, it is quite a leap to say that she is talking about Iraq and not about the U.S.
If she means Iraq she should say Iraq. But then again she is a disgrace to her son's memory so she has no credibility other than someone who need mental help.
posted on September 27, 2005 04:56:13 PM
Her exact words:
""This country is not worth dying for." If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq."
She said Iraq, but that always seems to get left out--in fact, it gets distorted to "America is not worth dying for" more oftenb than not.
Could it be taken the wrong way they way she states it? Yes, it could. But then so could much of what Chimpy McFlightsuit says. For example:
"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."—Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005 (Thanks to Fred Kaplan)
"It's a time of sorrow and sadness when we lose a loss of life."—Washington, D.C., Dec. 21, 2004
"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week—we will have an all-volunteer army. Let me restate that."—Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
And those are just a few of the multitude of things our Fearless Leader has said that can be taken the wrong way. Truman's famous saying was "the buck stops here;" Bush has "open mouth, insert foot"...
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
posted on September 27, 2005 05:16:41 PM
She has become so transparent and publicity seeking it's laughable. She was upset that the media had the audacity to cover a hurricane instead of her rally. These are her words as written in her blog on Michael Moore:
"I switched on the TV and turned on CNN and for 2 hours, I watched one of their reporters in front of the same downed tree and it wasn't even raining. I knew that there was a hurricane and it was damaging. At the point of the news cycle though, I thought CNN could be covering other news."
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posted on September 27, 2005 06:09:14 PM
Once again, a conservative goes out of their way to distort what this woman said.
In actuality, Sheehan wasn't lamenting a lack of coverage of the anti-war rally--she was lamenting the lack of coverage of the war in Iraq:
"Now about Hurricane Rita: I woke up on Saturday morning filled with excitement. I knew that the rally and march were going to be amazing events and I was thrilled to be a part of them. I switched on the TV and turned on CNN and for 2 hours, I watched one of their reporters in front of the same downed tree and it wasn't even raining. I knew that there was a hurricane and it was damaging. At the point of the news cycle though, I thought CNN could be covering other news. 40 soldiers have been killed this month so far in Iraq and countless Iraqis have been killed. The war is still going on and the news has been dominated by hurricanes and the terrible aftermaths."
It's truly amazing the lengths that the far right are willing to go to vilify this woman.
edited to remove an extraneous "l"
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
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posted on September 27, 2005 06:24:05 PM
How can I distort a quote? It is taken word for word from her blog and is also quoted by you above. How can that be distortion.
The woman is off her rocker and can't handle it when the media attention is taken off of her. She should be vilified - I used to pity her and felt horrible for her for losing her son, as I would for any parent who lost a child - but doesn't it bother you that she would dump the rest of her family to try to become a poster child for the anti-war movement?
She is using her son's death, and that is the real tragedy.
posted on September 27, 2005 06:34:21 PMHow can I distort a quote? It is taken word for word from her blog and is also quoted by you above. How can that be distortion.
Lie to yourself all you want, that's your option. However, it must be really hard to constantly think up ways to distort the truth, not to mention keeping all the lies straight. Or perhaps you just quote verbatim from Faux News or the Drudge Report or similar "sources" and never think for yourself at all.
1. You state in your post: She has become so transparent and publicity seeking it's laughable. She was upset that the media had the audacity to cover a hurricane instead of her rally.
2. Then you post a snipped quote that gives some of what Sheehan said but not all--snipped in such a way that it seems to support your opening, given above, and makes to mention of Iraq at all.
3. Then you have the hutzpah to claim that the quote you posted and the one I posted are exactly the same.
Pitiful.
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
posted on September 27, 2005 06:40:20 PM
The sight of her, the sound of her name or her voice, sickens me. She is in my not so humble opinion, the lowest entity possible.
I have no trouble with those against the war.
That's their opinion.
War Sucks.
Cowing down to terrorism Sucks even more.
They say a coward dies a thousand deaths.
There's some cowards on this board that I bet have a tough time sleeping at night or looking in the mirror any time.
posted on September 27, 2005 06:49:21 PM
bunnicula yes she said
America is not worth fighting for
then - We were not attacked by Iraq
Yes
But her quote doesn't make a lick of sense.
"America is not worth fighting for.If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq."
I may not have read it here yet, but how does this whole quote make sense? The first part of the sentence is America is not worth fighting for. And ends with We were not attacked by Iraq.
It doesn't make sense to me.
She is against the war in Iraq. She should NOT have said the first part. The rest does make sense.
Now does this whole thing make more sense now?
And I am not reading ANYTHING into it, that whole quote has been in so many news sources when she was arrested. I'm sure at least one editor would have caught it, if it was not correct, obviously this is just what she said, all in one quote, at the same time.
posted on September 27, 2005 06:56:41 PM
It really galls the far right in this country that so many refused to buy into their lies about Iraq.
Was Saddam a bad man? You betcha.
Did he have anything to do with 9-11? No.
Did he have anything to do with Al-Queda? No.
Was heany longer a threat to the US? No.
Just about everyone was in favor of going after Osama bin Laden and the war in Afghanistan. After all, bin Laden was the perpetrator.
Then all of a sudden Bush informs us we absolutely positively have to go after Iraq. Iraq?!? Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on us. Hussein hated bin Laden's guts & certainly didn't support him. Iraq hadn't even made a squeak beyond its own borders for years. But suddenly that was Bush's priority. So much so that he & his buddies pushed & shoved & lied to get us into a war with them. They made sure to keep saying "9-11" and "Iraq" in the same breath until they became linked in people's minds. They used info which their own covert teams told them were not true to make an argument for WMDs in Iraq. Suddenly, in Bush's own words, Osama bin Laden isn't important anymore. WTF?!? The man responsible for 9-11 isn't important to us anymore?!? You hardly ever hear about Afghanistan anymore from the government and I can't remember the last time Bush & Co. mentioned Osama bin Laden.
I was always in favor of going after bin Laden. Iraq was none of our business. And thanks to this war there are now more terrorists than there ever were.
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
posted on September 27, 2005 07:03:10 PM
Was Saddam a bad man? You betcha.
Did he have anything to do with 9-11? Ya know, who the hell knows? Maybe. Do you have access to all the classified briefing files of the CIA FBI and all the other alphabet orgs?
Did he have anything to do with Al-Queda? I don't know. Do you know that for sure?
Was heany longer a threat to the US? Again I don't know. (and not sure of the question)
I'm very impressed that you are so positive with all your answers above. I cannot be so positive, when it comes to National Security issues, because I am not privy to them
posted on September 27, 2005 07:19:52 PM
But Near - Security expert after expert has said that he didn't have anything to do with 9/11. The only people that have said it are Bush and Cheney and Bush wanted a reason to invade Iraq even though even his own father said it was a bad idea. Do you really think that Bush Sr would have thought that if he believed there was a tie?
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
posted on September 27, 2005 07:46:03 PM
fenix, I know. But do we really know everything that is on those daily classified briefings? no, and I'm sure we probably wouldn't want to know.
My own opinion.. No, I don't think he had anything to do with it directly, but he sure was not upset a bit when those planes hit those towers. IIRC, he and the Iraqis were celebrating, them and the Palestinians.
And Cindy Sheehan, I would agree with Ron, this woman has met with Bush, has had a meeting(s) with his advisors outside of Crawford, she has got more from the admin. than all the other parents that lost their children in Iraq. I do think she is a little loopy.
I believe in free speech and free to protest, like the one this last weekend. I just think this woman was used by certain organizations, and fell right into it, and some attention stuff going on also. I read her husband filed for divorce, and her other children want her back in California.
posted on September 27, 2005 07:54:42 PM
Near you did it again.
bunnicula yes she said
America is not worth fighting for then - We were not attacked by Iraq
Yes
But her quote doesn't make a lick of sense.
The neocon brainwashing has been so successful that even when people are shown what the woman actually said their minds insert the word "America" where it does not belong.
Pavlov and his dogs had nothing on the neocon spinmasters.
edited to fix UBB
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
[ edited by bunnicula on Sep 27, 2005 07:56 PM ]
Caroline