posted on October 13, 2005 04:18:47 PM new Real ones.
Posted without comment:
FOX NEWS
approve or disapprove of the way the President is handling the Presidency:
approve 40%
disapprove or unsure 59%
WALL STREET JOURNAL
approve 39%
disapprove or unsure 61%
PEW RESEARCH
approve 38%
disapprove or unsure 62%
Election 2006, Wall Street Journal Poll of registered voters.
question:What is your preference for the outcome of the 2006 congressional elections: a Congress controlled by Republicans or a Congress controlled by Democrats?
Republicans 39%
Democrats 48%
unsure 13%
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posted on October 13, 2005 04:34:33 PM new
Guess which source you belive:
From Rasmussen:
Thursday October 13, 2005--Forty-four percent (44%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's the fourth straight day below the 45% level and just a single point above the lowest level ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports.
Fifty-four percent (54%) Disapprove.
Fifty percent (50%) of men give the President their Approval along with 38% of women.
The President's Approval among Republicans is at 79%. For most of his Administration, the President' has enjoyed Approval Ratings among Republicans in the high 80s or low 90s.
Seventeen percent (19%) of Democrats, and 31% of those not affiliated with either major political party also give the President their Approval.
posted on October 13, 2005 04:45:31 PM new
There's little difference between Rasmussen and the ones I posted, Bear. Rasmussen is unabashedly pro-Bush, so is Fox, so is the Wall Street Journal. Pew is another matter maybe, but they're only showing a point less that the others in approval, so even if Pew is a flaming liberal organization, they're still not statistically different from the polls conducted by the President's supposed fans. NONE of these polls indicates confidence in the President from even close to a majority of Americans, and they all are showing downward trends. You can almost smell the brakes smoking.
This is panning out to be the most unpopular presidency of all time. 2006 is going to be real interestin'.
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posted on October 13, 2005 05:07:53 PM new
I was reading that information earlier, prof! It's good news for Ohio. Kenneth Blackwell is running for Governor and he's the LAST thing on earth this state needs. Not just because he's a republican, but he's a dirty snake in the grass. He about as corrupt as they come. Hopefully, the people in this state will go to the polls next year with their eyes open this time and won't vote for Blackwell just because he's a republican!! The problem with the people in southern Ohio is that they vote the way their parents voted and the way their parent's parents voted and sometimes to their own detriment. Some in southern Ohio now blame us (in the northern part) for getting Bush elected. Hardly. This area voted overwhelmingly democrat!
posted on October 13, 2005 05:34:16 PM new
Today was a sad day for Bush --- first, the embarrassing rehearsed meeting between Bush and the troops and then the Scott McClellan press conference debacle, followed by the release of these falling poll figures from conservative corners such as The Wall St. Journal and Fox News.
posted on October 13, 2005 05:44:28 PM new
At a press conference on October 4, President Bush argued that he was the right person to bridge the racial divide in America:
Apparently, it isnt working so well. A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that just 2 percent of African-Americans approve of his leadership. NBCs Tim Russert who called the number a dramatic setback looked into it, and he could not find a pollster who can remember any President ever getting just 2 percent approval from African-Americans.
posted on October 16, 2005 12:24:16 PM new
I wonder if General Motors will go bankrupt because of outsourcing and imported auto parts? What is your guess will it happen and if so will it happen before the 2006 elections.
Or will Bush and his CON-servative house members give G.M. a corporate welfare package (big bailout) at tax payers expense? Either way how are the NEOCONs going to spin this one away.
YES!!! the house of LIARS AND CROOKS is crumbling before our eyes.
YES!!! America needs a government that represents the MAJORITY OF ITS CITIZENS not just a select minority.
posted on October 16, 2005 12:56:36 PM new
Peepa - do make this crap up as you go because you certainly can't be basing it on actual facts. GM did lost this year however they are not in the red, via GMAC Finance they have long term income and it looks like they are are about to be one of the next pawns in Kerkorkians game. They are not exactly healthy but they are not circling the drain weither. I assume that you just wanted to play the "corporate welfare" card again (A unique obsession of yours, you seem to want to turn every conversation into one about it) and GM was the first major corporation that came to mind.
BTW - Which is it that you would prefer they do... go bankrupt and leave 100,000 people directly without employment or health benefits in addition to probably half a million who are in their pipeline (truckers, sales, finance, distrubtors etc) or for the government to step in if such a case arises?
For some reasonwhen it comes to economics and politics you never seem to be able to see what is beyond the first step. You might want to try looking a little deeper. Afterall, democrats have sponsored corporate bailouts as well.
Or you could just hit the cap lock key and rant some more.
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posted on October 16, 2005 02:42:12 PM new
Fenox03,no crap from me how about you?.
Check out G.M. holdings in a bankrupt auto parts company called delphi. At Bloomberg.com
Delphi's GM Impact Top Most-Read Stories
Delphi Chief Sees GM Bankruptcy Without Wage U-Turn
Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Delphi Corp. Chief Executive Steve Miller said General Motors Corp., his biggest customer, will have to file for bankruptcy if it can't wrest wage and benefit concessions from the United Auto Workers union during their next contract talks.
GM's Delphi Costs Make Finance Stake Sale More Likely
Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp.'s looming bill from the bankruptcy of Delphi Corp. may prompt the automaker to sell a stake in its finance unit, a business that may be worth twice the company's current market value.
Anyway you look at it with outsourcing,imported auto parts,gas prices,much higher home heating cost along with a battle over wages and benefits. G.M. has big trouble coming up. All I am asking is when will G.M. problems really surface before the 2006 election or after?
Fenox03, you know better about me and American jobs. I don't want to see one more American job lost because of a government that favors only the rich and beats up on its working and middle class. That is why I want to see Bush and his gang of crooks out of power starting in 2006. The CON-servative form of government have had its chance and failed.
posted on October 16, 2005 03:19:21 PM new
OK - so tell me Peepa - what is a new administration, any administration going to do to help increase sales? Outsourcing parts manufacturing is no where near as costly as employing union labor so unless you believe that a new administration will break the unions no one is going to be able to bring those jobs back. You are talking about plants that exist in other nations where GM also manufacturers and sells. It's not as if they set up a plant just to make parts. It's like Toyota. They are building a plant in Baja Mexico. To start the plant is just doing glass and small part manufacturing but it will grown and expand until they are able to go online with complete manufacturing/assembly. In the meantime they are utilizing the facilities and time to also manufacture parts that are shipped here and to their Brazil plants. Global companies are always going to have plants in other countries. To think that every GM part and auto sold in the world will be made in the US is naive. It's almost as ridiculous as the conservatives that were losing their minds during election year because Heinz has manufacturing plants all over the world. They called it "outsourcing labor" too. Labor unions have made it impossible to make an affordable car soley of US made parts so I fail to understand why you are so down on an administration. Do you think that the unions are going to lessen their demands for a democrat?
BTW - the thing that bugs me about the Delphi filing is that it was done one day after their heads approved big financial packages for themselves. I have a feeling that those are not going to hold up in bankruptcy court though. No judge is going to let that fly these days.
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posted on October 16, 2005 03:52:09 PM new
To think that there is much left that is Made in the US is naive too. China has been making most everything for awhile! And this is PRE Bush that this started happening.
posted on October 16, 2005 05:01:52 PM new
Fenox03 and sea, You just don't want to face the facts that this from of CON-servative government had its chance and failed the vast majority of Americans. It has fed the rich and industry and gave a beating to the middle and working class.
What will a new government do I can't say. I wish I could read the future with a crystal ball. If I could my crystal ball would say its not good to live under a government that feeds only the rich and industry.
Why bother telling people like you what a new government would do. I am sure both of you already know and don't like it. One of the top ideas a new government would have is to go get the money where the money is both in the U.S. and offshore.
I sure as hell can say what this form of government has done and don't I like it.
You guys want to bust 20 or 30 dollar a hour Union jobs fine. I will ask you both how many 10 or 12 dollar a hour people are going to buy new G.M. cars.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING AND THAT IS VERY GOOD NEWS. YES!!!
posted on October 16, 2005 05:17:21 PM new
Peepa - you are the one that seems to be incredibly unaccepting of reality. the reality is that this has nothing to do with the politicial party of the president. Nothing.
there are countless things that this administration can be blamed for but businesses taking part in a global economy is not one of them and continueing to do so only makes you appear to be an uninformed crackpot.
Besides - you seem to have the memory span of a mosquito. I am not a Bush supporter. I am however in touch with the reality of doing business in this time which is something you seem to be woefully unaware of.
BTW - How many of your employees are you paying $30 an hour 40 hours a week, providing triple overtime for working holidays and subsiding full medical coverage of them and their family?
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posted on October 16, 2005 05:37:09 PM new
We can agree on this point fenix,
We the american people have done this to ourselves in wanting higher wages, but cheaper products.
Peepa, Henry Ford did pay his people enough to buy his car, but then they weren't getting wages not inline with the economy.
Empolyers can't pay $30/hr wage and still compete here in the US.
How much would you be willing to pay for a shirt? Pants? all made in the US at US wages?
I think the answer was we wanted high wages and cheap prices and you can't have both without going global.
posted on October 16, 2005 07:58:45 PM new
Sorry boys and girls, This CON-servative form of government has done more than any government since the depression to beat up the middle and working class American.
Still today with record U.S. debt and record trade imbalance plus billions in Hurricane damage. The CON-servative law makers are still trying to pass more laws that feed the rich and industry.
Of course you all say its not your form of CON-servative government that has caused the mess this country is in. Why because you all support it.
O.K. all of you CON-servatives. Tell me one Con-servative law maker that has said the tax cuts to the rich should be scaled back (even temporarily) to help pay off our National Debt and or help pay for Hurricane damage.
You say the following problems is not the fault of or caused by this CON-servative form of government. I agree this CON-servative government only caused 75% of our Nations problems. The Iraq war,economy,National Debt,trade imbalance,poverty,job loss,pay declines,benefits lost,outsourcing,open southern borders, higher health care,higher heating cost,gas cost,record profits for oil companies,now inflation and interest rates on the rise.
SORRY BOYS AND GIRLS YOUR HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING AND ITS ABOUT TIME.YES!!!
posted on October 16, 2005 08:43:43 PM new
Well - you went the rant that has nothing to do with the topic, you have avoided every direct question put to you and ignored for about the 10th time that I don't support this administration. You truly are incapable of relevent conversation. I think you should sign off of these boards immediately and run for office.
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posted on October 17, 2005 05:01:22 AM new
Fenix03, the topic is new polls. My posts show why the Bush ratings are in the dirt. My posts show why CON-servative house members are in trouble in 2006 elections. You know that as well as I do. Many have already told you including me what a new and BETTER government would and should do. Your problem is you don't like the changes that will be good for the majority of Americans. BTW your the one that started ranting about G.M. not me.
Ron, Congress can change any law they want. The only laws this CON-servative Congress make or change hurt the middle class and feed the rich and industry. You know that as well as I do.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS,AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!!
posted on October 17, 2005 05:58:32 AM new
Peepa - I have nothing more to say to you other than... you are an idiot and you make me embarassed to say I am a democrat.
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posted on October 17, 2005 01:13:35 PM new
Fenox03, Good. I also don't like talking to people that just pretends to be a caring person what ever way they vote. BTW, since you have given up talking to me you don't have to reply, but you do know that G.M. already plans to lay off 25,000 workers and close a plant don't you.
Ron, I pay my help 2 to 3 dollars and hour more than the prevailing wage for their job in my area. I don't hire a lot of help but when I do they get paid better then most of their counter parts do in my area.
About buying clothes. Its ever harder finding them but I do still can find clothes and shoes that are made in the U.S.
Last winter I wanted a nice leather jacket but couldn't find one made in the U.S. so I settled for a Carhartt Jacket instead. BTW I found my help liked that I was wearing the same style of clothes they wear.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!!
posted on October 17, 2005 02:05:15 PM new
So then it would not be out of line to pay auto workers $12-15/hr Based on wages outside the automoblie industry.
posted on October 17, 2005 03:22:02 PM new
Hey Ron, my new post titled UNINTELLIGENT DESIGN BY BUSH says it all. Remember how you and LIAR LINDA-K defended Bush suspending the Davis-Bacon that guarded against this kind of UNGODLY LIKE ABUSE for 70 years.
BUSH IS NOT A MAN OF GOD AND HIS HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!!
posted on October 17, 2005 05:58:53 PM new
fenix03 wrote....."Peepa - I have nothing more to say to you other than... you are an idiot and you make me embarassed to say I am a democrat. "
Now you know why I became a Republican.
There's no middle of the road in the Democratic party any longer. Your either a Socialist or a moron like Peebrain.
Lets face it...How many times have you laughter at the idiots marching at these peace rallies. They dont give a fiddles (hows that go?) about peace, the Iraqi people or our soldiers. They want to be seen, have a moment of what they think is fame.
Look back at the posts here on Vendio, read the innate rants. Read the Hatred for the president. How on earth could these people (surely some are mentally ill) make a difference in the politics of this country or the world.
These people that hide in the darkness of cyberspace, make outrageous accusations, Quote B.S from god know where. Are these the people you want to be associated with? They are not the blue collar workers of the past, they are feeble complainers. They spit upon the country that gave them freedom. They are imbeciles.
Time has come for many of you to realize this is just the way things are. Come on over to the conservative side. If you want to make changes...this is the place to do it.
amen,
Reverend Colin http://www.reverendcolin.com
posted on October 17, 2005 07:01:01 PM new
As an Independent I can say, Colin, that the Republicans have little in the way of "middle of the road" either.
And of the two parties, I find the Republican party to be the less praiseworthy. Over the past several years they have more and more shown themselves to be intolerant and bigoted. Listening to right-wing pundits for any length of time is enlightening: they constantly prattle on about the "hate" innate in liberals while spewing more venom per second than anyone else in the country. They all pick up the same sound byte and repeat it over and over and over until their listeners become convinced it is the truth--even when it's not. They are willing to put up with and praise leaders who lie and break the law, but let a Democrat do the same thing and the Republicans are outraged. The Republicans don't give a crap about the environment if it interferes at all with making money. Although billing themselves largely as Christian and for "family values" they decry caring for their fellows in any way and declare that it's every man for himself. And when it comes to the basic rights this country was founded on, neocons are willing to dump them for what they call "security." Bah.
Of course, there is a lot of amusement to be gained from listening to typical neocon pundits. You get guys like O'Reilly who lies or exaggerates several times a week and who, when called on it, claims that's not what he said--last week he gave a rant about liberal blogs and Net newsites which was hysterical. He hates that he can't hide what he says because folks on the Net capture video or provide transcripts that let people know the truth. And O'Reilly has lots of comedy company in Limbaugh and Hannity. You have Faux News that does things like put up someone's name for a crime without proof or evidence--so far they've done it twice and gotten into trouble. The second time was just today--though today they too tried the "we never said that" ploy. And, of course, there is the fact that Neocons can't seem to distinguish between fiction and reality: this week we have a new comedy installment in which a commentator on Faux News ranted about the TV series "Commander in Chief" being a Democratic plot to get Hilary Clinton elected. And who can forget the Neocon rants that went on for weeks after the film "Day After Tomorrow" was released? They acted as if the film purported to be a documentary and foamed at the mouth as they ranted about "the fallacy of global warming"...
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posted on October 17, 2005 07:27:30 PM newvery well said, bunni....
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posted on October 17, 2005 08:03:10 PM new
Bunni - I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one that finds Hannity humorous. I refer to him as inadvertant political satire.
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And who can forget the Neocon rants that went on for weeks after the film "Day After Tomorrow" was released? They acted as if the film purported to be a documentary and foamed at the mouth as they ranted about "the fallacy of global warming"...