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 colin
 
posted on October 18, 2005 01:38:36 PM new
I went to find out just what Neo Conservatism was/is/were "Whatever"

I didn't know. I know it's the rallying cry for the left but what is it really?

I know it puts fear in the heart of coward like BIG but what can it be????

I'm sure he knows, after all he rants about it constantly.

I give no validation to either of these site but I was surprised to find out it's a Jewish conspiracy. I thought all the right wingers were Nazi's????

Here's some of what I found:

An Introduction to Neoconservatism
by Gary North
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north180.html

This is from a blog by MissCohen
http://www.xanga.com/MissCohen

But what about neoconservatism?

Neoconservatism emerged as a force in America in the 1980s. The father of neoconservatism was a Jewish philosopher named Leo Strauss (1899-1973). It is significant that most of the influential followers of Strauss are also Jewish. Also significant is the fact that Strauss himself once publicly admitted that his ideology was centered around the Jews.

Neoconservatism, despite its name, is not a political movement per se, but is instead a racial movement: an ethnically-Jewish movement despite the fact that some non-Jews advocate neoconservatism.

If anyone has a better definition please feel free to add it.

Remember, God loves you....I think you’re an (fill in your own noun)
amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
 
 replaymedia
 
posted on October 18, 2005 03:31:48 PM new
So... the lefties on this board have been calling us -Jews- all this time?

And they're doing it in a derogatory manner.

Does that mean all liberals are anti-semitic?

Does that mean every time we're called neocons that they are practicing hate speech?

The mind staggers at the repercussions!

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 dblfugger9
 
posted on October 18, 2005 04:37:57 PM new
Remember, God loves you....I think you’re an (fill in your own noun)

Remember, God loves you...but I dont have to...



 
 piinthesky
 
posted on October 18, 2005 06:48:05 PM new
Well, what a bunch of shmendrik's we've been and i wouldn't worry too much about BIG, he's just a nebekh with a big pupik.

Remember, God loves you...but then so does G.I. Joe, Barbie, Ronald McDonald and your favorite plastic dinosaur action figure.


 
 bigpeepa
 
posted on October 18, 2005 07:10:44 PM new
I enjoy seeing that the NEOCONS don't have enough spin left to save their CON-servative form of government from grumbling.

God loves people that follow his teachings. People like Bush that only pretends to be a man of God needs to mend his ways and actions.

Just one more reason the house of liars,cons and crooks is crumbling.

 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on October 18, 2005 07:42:37 PM new
bigpeepa, did you read the first post on neoconservatism?

I didn't think so

Pi? say what?

I guess I'll have to inform my father, brother, sisters, and children that we are Jewish



Boy will they be surprised!

 
 piinthesky
 
posted on October 18, 2005 07:55:18 PM new
'Pi? say what?'

Nts, Barbie really does love you.







By the way, they're Yiddish words.


 
 profe51
 
posted on October 18, 2005 08:47:04 PM new
There are lots of Jewish people involved at the forefront of the neo-conservative movement. So what, there are just as many christians and non religious types. I don't think it's any kind of conspiracy, Jewish or otherwise, and I haven't ever heard anyone here say otherwise.

Here's a pretty in-depth look at neo-conservatism.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo-conservative

You might also look up The Project for a New American Century, which pretty well sums up the neo-conservative line of thought in it's various statements of belief.
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 rustygumbo
 
posted on October 19, 2005 02:49:40 PM new
Ultra-right winged neocons can be jewish, just like Dave Matthews can be African.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on October 19, 2005 03:01:23 PM new
From links I've provided in the past....one way the term neocon was taken was also referring to liberals, not conservatives. Now it's like a reversal has taken place...the liberals call the 'right wingers' neocons.


But as a block the Jewish voters vote democratic for some strange reason. Especially, imo, because so many liberals are again imo, anti-semetic and anti-Israel. Always made me wonder why they'd EVER support the democratic party.



"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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A super site that gives the argument of just what it means and what people supported, on BOTH sides, when referred to as neocons.



http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TJcQ96luZUAJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)+history+of+the+term+neo+cons&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8


[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 19, 2005 03:11 PM ]
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on October 19, 2005 03:14:56 PM new
And on that same site, one can find a more honest definition of the current term 'neo conservatism', rather than listening to the BS from any liberal's opinion [here] of what it means.


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TJcQ96luZUAJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)+history+of+the+term+neo+cons&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8



"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter

And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
 
 colin
 
posted on October 19, 2005 03:46:18 PM new
rustytrombone writes:
"Ultra-right winged neocons can be jewish, just like Dave Matthews can be African."

You have a point there. Just like you and Big can be liberal and from Mars. That's the RED planet by the way
amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
 
 bunnicula
 
posted on October 19, 2005 05:44:53 PM new
Here you go Colin--this article answers your question the clearest:


http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html?story

Neocon 101
Some basic questions answered.
What do neoconservatives believe?

"Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein's ouster.

Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region. They also see Israel as a key outpost of democracy in a region ruled by despots. Believing that authoritarianism and theocracy have allowed anti-Americanism to flourish in the Middle East, neocons advocate the democratic transformation of the region, starting with Iraq. They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security.

What are the roots of neoconservative beliefs?

The original neocons were a small group of mostly Jewish liberal intellectuals who, in the 1960s and 70s, grew disenchanted with what they saw as the American left's social excesses and reluctance to spend adequately on defense. Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world.

Unlike their predecessors, most younger neocons never experienced being left of center. They've always been "Reagan" Republicans.

What is the difference between a neoconservative and a conservative?

Liberals first applied the "neo" prefix to their comrades who broke ranks to become more conservative in the 1960s and 70s. The defectors remained more liberal on some domestic policy issues. But foreign policy stands have always defined neoconservatism. Where other conservatives favored détente and containment of the Soviet Union, neocons pushed direct confrontation, which became their raison d'etre during the 1970s and 80s.

Today, both conservatives and neocons favor a robust US military. But most conservatives express greater reservations about military intervention and so-called nation building. Neocons share no such reluctance. The post 9/11-campaigns against regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate that the neocons are not afraid to force regime change and reshape hostile states in the American image. Neocons believe the US must do to whatever it takes to end state-supported terrorism. For most, this means an aggressive push for democracy in the Middle East. Even after 9/11, many other conservatives, particularly in the isolationist wing, view this as an overzealous dream with nightmarish consequences.

How have neoconservatives influenced US foreign policy?

Finding a kindred spirit in President Reagan, neocons greatly influenced US foreign policy in the 1980s.

But in the 1990s, neocon cries failed to spur much action. Outside of Reaganite think tanks and Israel's right-wing Likud Party, their calls for regime change in Iraq were deemed provocative and extremist by the political mainstream. With a few notable exceptions, such as President Bill Clinton's decision to launch isolated strikes at suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, their talk of preemptive military action was largely dismissed as overkill.

Despite being muted by a president who called for restraint and humility in foreign affairs, neocons used the 1990s to hone their message and craft their blueprint for American power. Their forward thinking and long-time ties to Republican circles helped many neocons win key posts in the Bush administration.

The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 moved much of the Bush administration closer than ever to neoconservative foreign policy. Only days after 9/11, one of the top neoconservative think tanks in Washington, the Project for a New American Century, wrote an open letter to President Bush calling for regime change in Iraq. Before long, Bush, who campaigned in 2000 against nation building and excessive military intervention overseas, also began calling for regime change in Iraq. In a highly significant nod to neocon influence, Bush chose the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) as the venue for a key February 2003 speech in which he declared that a US victory in Iraq "could begin a new stage for Middle Eastern peace." AEI – the de facto headquarters for neconservative policy – had been calling for democratization of the Arab world for more than a decade.

What does a neoconservative dream world look like?

Neocons envision a world in which the United States is the unchallenged superpower, immune to threats. They believe that the US has a responsibility to act as a "benevolent global hegemon." In this capacity, the US would maintain an empire of sorts by helping to create democratic, economically liberal governments in place of "failed states" or oppressive regimes they deem threatening to the US or its interests. In the neocon dream world the entire Middle East would be democratized in the belief that this would eliminate a prime breeding ground for terrorists. This approach, they claim, is not only best for the US; it is best for the world. In their view, the world can only achieve peace through strong US leadership backed with credible force, not weak treaties to be disrespected by tyrants.

Any regime that is outwardly hostile to the US and could pose a threat would be confronted aggressively, not "appeased" or merely contained. The US military would be reconfigured around the world to allow for greater flexibility and quicker deployment to hot spots in the Middle East, as well as Central and Southeast Asia. The US would spend more on defense, particularly for high-tech, precision weaponry that could be used in preemptive strikes. It would work through multilateral institutions such as the United Nations when possible, but must never be constrained from acting in its best interests whenever necessary.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- George W. Bush
 
 piinthesky
 
posted on October 19, 2005 06:10:27 PM new
You just can't trust anyone that uses words like 'raison d'etre', is that French.....i thought so. That says it all right there.



 
 NearTheSea
 
posted on October 19, 2005 07:29:08 PM new
Colin, that'll teach ya to challenge an libraian! And now the page scrolls!

 
 replaymedia
 
posted on October 19, 2005 08:43:59 PM new
Well, Bunni, if that's what being a Neocon is all about, then you can count me in!


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