posted on October 23, 2005 06:08:23 AM new
I received this from a family member (in Mass.) whom leans a bit left of center, a liberal in the old sense of the word. Anyway it's an interesting read. I cant say how valid it is.
We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret service presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents' plane - yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates," and LBJ was a typical Texas "good ol boy" womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but he couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety. The information below is accurate. The elder Bush and current president Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the aircrews who fly them around. When the president flies, there are several planes that also go -- [one carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus usually a press aircraft]. Both Bush's made it a point to stay home on holidays, so the Air Force and security people could have a day with their families.
WHAT WAS: Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security detail.
She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean spiritedness ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice,
kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The consensus was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her. Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did their job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her and wanted to be on a different detail. Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as a whole.
Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife. Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would hurl against her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner and frequency with which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so loudly that everyone
could hear what she was saying. Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was crystal clear that the Clintons neither liked nor respected each other and this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a "marriage of convenience."
Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards them. His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance his image and political career. He was polite, but not kind. They did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him.
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN:
Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They were more friendly toward each other than either of them were towards former President Clinton. They were not intimate, so please don't read that in. They were very close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she had her "pegged" and no longer liked her or associated with her except for events that were politically obligatory.
Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans. His hatred was bitter and this was long before he announced for the Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary had in common. They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail.
Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined, neither of them even liked Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did have some good qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view of their security details. Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on them, as they finally observed and learned with certainty on one occasion when Al got angry at his offspring, pointed at his security detail and said, "Do you want to grow
up and be like them?" Word of this insult by the former Vice-president quickly spread and he became as disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be elected President, and they really did have private celebrations in a few of their homes after
President Bush won. This was not necessarily to celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat.
WHAT IS:
Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the nicest and most kind person they have ever had the privilege of serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very often, she will give members of her detail a kindhearted hug to express her appreciation. There is nothing false about her. This is her genuine nature. Her security detail considers her to be a "breath of fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch of the North."
Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the Crawford, Texas detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford he has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps serve their meals. He sits with them, eats with them, and talks with them. He knows each of them by their first name, and calls them by their first name as a show of affection. He always asks about their family, the names of which he always remembers. They believe that he is deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like, love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not know they would feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work for him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never changed since he began his Presidency. He
always treats them with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion. Please pass this on to everyone you know. It is important for Americans to have a true inside understanding of their President,
posted on October 23, 2005 06:51:51 AM new
Sorry , colin, that won't help those flagging poll numbers or the number of indictments You sure like nasty gossip but then all christians do!
Here's some numbers:
Iraqi Policeman, Kids Among Latest Victims
Updated 8:55 AM ET October 23, 2005
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By THOMAS WAGNER
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A roadside bomb struck a car being driven by a police officer, killing him and his four children Sunday in northern Iraq, and attacks elsewhere killed at least seven other Iraqis and wounded more than 30 people, including five U.S. soldiers, officials said.
Also Sunday, the U.S. military confirmed that insurgents attacked a convoy of American contractors last month when they got lost in a town north of Baghdad, killing four and wounding two.
The Sept. 20 attack in the mostly Sunni Arab town of Duluiyah was first reported on Saturday by the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph.
Maj. Richard Goldenberg, a U.S. military spokesman, told The Associated Press that the attack occurred when the convoy, which included U.S. soldiers in Humvees, made a wrong turn into Duluiyah and insurgents opened fire with rifles and rocket-propelled grenades.
The U.S. military did not say why it had not reported the deaths earlier, but it generally relies on U.S. government officials to report the deaths of American civilians and contractors in Iraq.
Also Sunday, a roadside bomb destroyed a U.S. military Humvee and wounded three American soldiers at 11:40 a.m in eastern Baghdad, said police 1st Lt. Belal Ali Majeed.
U.S. Sgt. 1st Class David Abrams said roadside bombs hit three separate U.S. convoys in central Baghdad on Sunday morning, wounding a total of five soldiers.
The attacks came after a week in which 23 U.S. troops were reported dead, raising to 1,996 the number of military personnel killed since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press Count.
posted on October 23, 2005 06:56:03 AM new
More facts instead of gossip:
Arrest warrant issued for DeLay
A routine step before court appearance
Thursday, October 20, 2005; Posted: 8:25 a.m. EDT (12:25 GMT)
Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- A Texas court issued a warrant Wednesday for former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to appear for booking, where he is likely to face the fingerprinting and photo mug shot he had hoped to avoid.
Bail was initially set at $10,000 as a routine step before his first court appearance on conspiracy and money laundering charges. Travis County court officials said DeLay was ordered to appear at the Fort Bend County jail for booking.
The warrant was "a matter of routine and bond will be posted," DeLay attorney Dick DeGuerin said.
The lawyer declined to say when DeLay would surrender to authorities but said the lawmaker would make his first court appearance Friday morning.
The charges against the Texas Republican stem from allegations that a DeLay-founded Texas political committee funneled corporate money into state GOP legislative races through the National Republican Party. Texas law prohibits use of corporate money to elect state candidates.
posted on October 23, 2005 06:59:12 AM new
Gossip? Don't think so.....
Role of Rove, Libby in CIA Leak Case Clearer
Bush and Cheney Aides' Testimony Contradicts Earlier White House Statement
By Jim VandeHei and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 2, 2005; Page A05
As the CIA leak investigation heads toward its expected conclusion this month, it has become increasingly clear that two of the most powerful men in the Bush administration were more involved in the unmasking of operative Valerie Plame than the White House originally indicated.
With New York Times reporter Judith Miller's release from jail Thursday and testimony Friday before a federal grand jury, the role of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, came into clearer focus. Libby, a central figure in the probe since its earliest days and the vice president's main counselor, discussed Plame with at least two reporters but testified that he never mentioned her name or her covert status at the CIA, according to lawyers in the case.
Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating the leak. (Kevin Wolf - AP)
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His story is similar to that of Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser. Rove, who was not an initial focus of the investigation, testified that he, too, talked with two reporters about Plame but never supplied her name or CIA role.
Their testimony seems to contradict what the White House was saying a few months after Plame's CIA job became public.
In October 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters that he personally asked Libby and Rove whether they were involved, "so I could come back to you and say they were not involved." Asked if that was a categorical denial of their involvement, he said, "That is correct."
What remains a central mystery in the case is whether special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has accumulated evidence during his two-year investigation that any crime was committed. His investigation has White House aides and congressional Republicans on edge as they await Fitzgerald's announcement of an indictment or the conclusion of the probe with no charges. The grand jury is scheduled to expire Oct. 28, and lawyers in the case expect Fitzgerald to signal his intentions as early as this week.
Fitzgerald is investigating whether anyone illegally disclosed Plame's name or undercover CIA job in retaliation against her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV. In the summer of 2003, Wilson, a former diplomat, accused the White House of using "twisted" intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.
He claimed firsthand evidence: At the behest of the CIA, he had flown to Niger in February 2002 to investigate the administration's assertion that Iraq was trying to purchase uranium in the African nation for use in its nuclear weapons program. Wilson returned unconvinced the assertion was true. However, Bush himself made the charge in his 2003 State of the Union address, prompting Wilson to spread word throughout the government and eventually make public his rebuttal.
Many lawyers in the case have been skeptical that Fitzgerald has the evidence to prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which is the complicated crime he first set out to investigate, and which requires showing that government officials knew an operative had covert status and intentionally leaked the operative's identity.
posted on October 23, 2005 07:50:22 AM new
Colin - The email you received is believed to have been written by a Secret Service agent who served under both the clinton and the current administrations.
I can believe that what is said in your article is true....as other reports, from other people who served around them, have pretty much said the same things. So it's not like this more personal view of what kind of people they really are, when out of the public's view, hasn't been said before.
Scumbags are scumbags....good people are good to others...not just those who can further their political ambitions.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on October 23, 2005 07:53:57 AM new
Colin - the only person that believes something like this is someone who desperately wants to. Personally I find it highly doubtful that a secret service agent would so blatantly ignore their directive to not talk about their protectees. Even if one did, why would you believe the word of someone that had so little respect for one o the basic tennants of their job?
Besides... doesn't the overly sappy They could not like, love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not know they would feel this way.. ring as more than a little contrived? Especially when followed by...Please pass this on to everyone you know. It is important for Americans to have a true inside understanding of their President..
Isn't that a line that is generally only used to propel the distribution of desperate lies and computer viruses?
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
posted on October 23, 2005 08:13:01 AM new
The fact that Snopes.com hasn't been able to disprove it since June of this year speaks rather loudly, imo....
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on October 23, 2005 08:39:11 AM new
LOL...no fenix...never said that either.
But that is what the urban legion sites do....they do the research and either prove or disprove email messages.
Haven't disproven this one. But more importantly imo, is that this article isn't the only one who has given inside information as to the poor relationship between the clintons and about how they have/do treat others who work for them.
posted on October 23, 2005 08:42:33 AM new
The essay says "part of the secret service presidential detail"
That doesn't make him or her a Secret Service person.
There are a lot of other people working with the logistics of this type of operation that would be labeled under this detail.
Amen,
Reverend Colin http://www.reverendcolin.com
posted on October 23, 2005 09:28:45 AM new
::But that is what the urban legion sites do....they do the research and either prove or disprove email messages.::
Right - but since this is the unattributed third party story from an unabtributed writer. How exactly does one prove of disprove it?
::The essay says "part of the secret service presidential detail"
That doesn't make him or her a Secret Service person.::
In what world is it Colin that members of the Secret Service Detail are not members of the Secret Service? You spent too much time behind others tailpipes if you actually believe that one.
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posted on October 23, 2005 09:58:41 AM new
Doing a quick Google, I found that this item has been making the rounds of right-wing blogs and message boards since 2003.
And that's the only place you find it. No news show (even Faux News) have ever mentioned it. Gossip rags (either print or TV) haven't picked it up. Even Limbaugh and his ilk haven't picked it up and run with it. Which you can bet they would have if they could have found someone, anyone, to corroborate this fairy tale.
The hallmark of these fairy tales that make the rounds of right wing blogs & message boards is that they are anonymous--hardly surprising since they are fictitious.
In what world is it Colin that members of the Secret Service Detail are not members of the Secret Service? You spent too much time behind others tailpipes if you actually believe that one.
Have to agree with this...
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- George W. Bush
posted on October 23, 2005 10:00:14 AM new
Virtually all forwarded emails are bandwidth wasting, inbox littering garbage, irrespective of their political or social slant. If they weren't, they'd find some legitimate outlet. Not one in a hundred is worth opening, and the people who mindlessly send them on are idiots.
Not that I give a darn one way or the other.
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Habla siempre que debas y calla siempre que puedas....
posted on October 23, 2005 12:04:31 PM new
Linda, Snopes just says they have "research in progress" on it. That certainly doesn't lend credence to this thing.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- George W. Bush
posted on October 23, 2005 12:20:33 PM new
Colin, there is one thing in your article that I will take exception with
It said Nixon, Carter, and Bush 41 never cheated.
I have a friend that worked on the 'hill' for awhile, including when the elder Bush was President,(and she wasn't in some classified, super secret job either) she told me it was common knowledge that Bush 41 cheated on Barbara. And it wasn't in any paper or junk gossip newspaper either.
I do believe her, been close friends with her for about a dozen or so years now.
I do believe that the current President Bush has not cheated on Laura, and Carter never cheated on his wife either
posted on October 23, 2005 12:26:42 PM new
And I believe that everyone has clay feet. You can find dirt in anyone's closet. What's that got to do with how well they do their job?
posted on October 23, 2005 12:33:28 PM new
Lt Ray, yep I'm sure everyones got their own dirt! Bush did come out and say he was abusing drugs and alcohol. Clinton came out and said he was doing a intern (or did he? I can't remember if he came out with it or someone else)
Nixon had a lot of crap going on, you all know,my mother really liked Nixon, even through all that. And Carter, though he does come across and says a lot about his Christian beliefs, I'm sure if someone dug enough they'd find something (though a good man, he was a lousy President, sometimes I think he really didn't want the job as President)
Yes, I believe you could find dirt on anyone. I agree.
posted on October 23, 2005 12:58:33 PM new
Colin,
Like LIAR Linda_K often does you got dumped on this post. This is 2005 and most of us are watching a failed CON-servative form of government fail. I am off for a nap with a smile on my face.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS,AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!!
posted on October 23, 2005 02:00:43 PM new
"This is 2005 and most of us are watching a failed CON-servative form of government fail. I am off for a nap with a smile on my face."
so if what you saying is really true,that must mean you are glad our government is failing.Typical statement from a typical liberal scumbag.I dont want to see our government fail no matter WHOS in office,Democratic or Republican.
posted on October 23, 2005 07:37:18 PM new
classicrock000,
The U.S. is not going to fail if the American people make Bush into A LAME DUCK and vote out his Gang of law makers in the 2006 elections. Its just the CON-servative form of government that is failing. Your form of government was given its change and very little came about as promised.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!! That's what puts a smile on the face of this PROUD Liberal.
STILL I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE CON-SERVATIVE LAW MAKER SAY THE ON GOING TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH SHOULD BE CUT BACK. A CUT BACK LIKE THAT WOULD HELP PAY FOR STORM DAMAGE.
posted on October 23, 2005 08:36:50 PM new
About your website Colon. I assume you are the douche bag in the upper left hand corner Not very appealing to the eye.
posted on October 23, 2005 09:02:57 PM new
I'll tell you one thing about Colin is that at least he isn't hiding from anyone here, much unlike most of the lefties here do.
posted on October 23, 2005 10:21:08 PM new
Colin: What you started this thread with sounds an awful lot like urban legend to me. Of course there's a grain of truth in some of it, but truly it sounds like a p.r. piece for the Republican party--especially the part about "pass this on. . . "
I asked you about 2 years ago what church has ordained you as a "reverend." No reply. You sure don't SOUND like a reverend to me--scurrilous, scatalogical. Clean up your act or take the "reverend" out of your moniker. It's insulting.
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"These are people so much better at inflicting pain than feeling it, so much better at taking things apart than putting them together, so much better at defending "intelligent design" as a theology than practicing it as a policy. . . . the Bush team's philosophy since 9/11 has been: 'We're at war. Let's party.'"
You sure like nasty gossip but then all christians do!