WashingtoneBayer
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:27:15 AM new
Is it time to legalize drugs? Just think of all the crime that would be stopped if this happend.
All of the revenue that could be had for the cash strapped government.
I think it is time, let those who indulge in it have at it; just as those who drink.
Ron
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:42:08 AM new
Nope....and I believe it's going to be generations before we ever do.
We've discussed this issue so many times here and I haven't seen anyone change their minds be they for or against.
Just recently, in the past couple of weeks or so, there was media discussion of the countries where they have legalized drugs...and they problems they are now facing with that decision.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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colin
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posted on October 27, 2005 08:46:41 AM new
No, I don't think so. I have little problem with grass but can't see them legalizing hard stuff.
I've seen what it does to people. I've seen the addiction.
The same people that steal & commit crimes to buy the drugs now would do so if legalized.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2005 01:18:42 PM new
Although I know your post is meant to be in jest, Washingtonebayer, the assumption made with legalizing drugs is that everyone will want to try them and we'll end up with another heroin-addicted China scenerio. But if you think about it, what would legalization do for prostitution?, crime?, the drug war?, corrupt politicians?, etc. That money could be used for more drug education and rehab centers to help the addicted with billions left over. I think it would sure change the way the world operates in a hurry.
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colin
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posted on October 27, 2005 01:32:49 PM new
I agree. Let's legalize prostitution.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2005 01:37:01 PM new
Colin, maybe I'm stereotyping, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a prostitute that didn't do drugs. If they no longer had to be a prostitute to support their drug habit, think of how that alone would destroy most of the industry.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on October 27, 2005 01:49:06 PM new
You mean the same sterotype where all illegal drug users are moronic scumbags?
I think that prostitution should be legalized also, free enterprise system.
I do think that we would see a reduction in crime that surrounds drugs.
Colin, don't you think that if it were legal that some may seek help because they can no longer be arrested?
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2005 02:32:34 PM new
The only moronic scumbag users I know of are the hypocrites like Rush Limbaugh that speak out against illegal drugs yet think popping 30 legal pills gotten illegally is ok. 
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dblfugger9
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posted on October 27, 2005 02:55:08 PM new
I do think that we would see a reduction in crime that surrounds drugs.
Why Ron? Would the people who use drugs suddenly be able to afford it better from the government vs. from on the streetmarket?
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on October 27, 2005 03:03:05 PM new
I believe so, do you really think prices would remain as high as they are now?
Ron
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dblfugger9
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posted on October 27, 2005 03:17:21 PM new
lol - I have no idea what the prices are, so I cant speak to that, but if you consider the sin tax applied to cigerattes and liquor, I'm sure the govt would work up something up even better. The only savings might be you'd get to deduct it off your taxes as a medical expense or hobby expense.lol! I can see the line on the tax form now: Getting stoned expenses!! Hobby Medical /or a little of both. You must break it down to take this deduction.
More of the crime occurs is because these drugs make people unstable to start with, never mind those who become downright psychotic from the effect on the nervous system and altering that goes on in the brain. I dont think legalizing drugs is the answer.
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colin
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posted on October 27, 2005 03:29:51 PM new
Ron,
No I don't think they would look for help. Usually when someone hits bottom that's when they look for help.
The only thing legalizing drugs may do would be bring a lot of tax money into the government.....Money we would never see.(no matter what party is in power)
As far as all hookers being on drugs. That's far from the truth.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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hillbillymo
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posted on October 27, 2005 03:42:13 PM new
Sure the price would fall if illegal drugs became legal. Eliminating the blackmarket for drugs through legalization will drive the price down.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 27, 2005 03:46:00 PM new
That money could be used for more drug education and rehab centers to help the addicted with billions left over.
LOL...I always LOVE this argument for legalizing drugs. Like the people who say this don't seem to realize we'd have MORE drug addicts on our hands to rehab.
Drugs destroy lives....families....plain and simple. I have NEVER heard a drug addict say it made their lives so much better.
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dblfugger9
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posted on October 27, 2005 04:13:59 PM new
.. I have NEVER heard a drug addict say it made their lives so much better.
I agree. I think they rather loathe themselves, and their habits,...sort of like cigeratte smokers, drinkers, overeaters and other addicts, but much more so...because they have to alter reality in order to deal with it.
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piinthesky
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posted on October 27, 2005 05:47:26 PM new
I think it's hypocritical to allow a drug like alcohol to be legal and not other drugs. If drugs are to be illegal then alcohol should be too.
Drugs destroy lives....families....plain and simple
So does alcohol but it's legal.
I think that alot of the opponents of drug legalisation think that because it's all of a sudden legal then anyone that does the drugs will do them excessively rather than whatever their normal dosages were before legalisation.
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colin
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posted on October 27, 2005 06:02:55 PM new
pi,
"If drugs are to be illegal then alcohol should be too."
Your beginning to piss me and Helen off.
but seriously now...
There is no set dosage for crack or meth or scag or most of the others. There's probable more people addicted to prescription drugs then the illegal ones.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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piinthesky
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posted on October 27, 2005 06:11:03 PM new
'Your beginning to piss me and Helen off.'
ROFL
Drug dosage is user determined but just because it becomes legal does not mean that whomever is a user will increase their dosage. Some drug users can function perfectly normal in society, in fact i'd be willing to say that most function normally.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 27, 2005 06:24:50 PM new
LOL, Colin!
In this case, Piinthesky knows what he's talking about.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 27, 2005 06:48:46 PM new
"Sure the price would fall if illegal drugs became legal. Eliminating the blackmarket for drugs through legalization will drive the price down."
That's a good point, Hillbillymo. Besides reduced cost to enforce drug laws there will be new tax revenue from legal drug production and sales.
Homicide, robbery and burglary rates will decrease if drugs are legal. And, with less crime, the quality of urban life will improve tremendously.
The health and quality of life for many drug users will also improve significantly if drugs are legalized.
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2005 06:54:43 PM new
"Your beginning to piss me and Helen off." 
I agree with you Piinthesky. I don't think there would be more drug addicts Linda, just like there are fewer teens taking up smoking these days because of more awareness. You'll always get the types, like drunks, that just want to ruin their lives, but I think the other side of the picture, the lives saved, would outweigh them in numbers.
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dblfugger9
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:00:54 PM new
The health and quality of life for many drug users will also improve significantly if drugs are legalized.
The health and quality of life would improve?
hmmm..Care to expound on that helen?
The incidence of the spread of HIV/AIDs and other diseases might be reduced, but your kidding yourself if your impression of doing drugs via a govt supplier or the street supplier, ever improves ones health or quality of life.
Look at famous people who use drugs. They have it all; and addiction almost always invariably leaves their lives in ruin. The only time their 'quality' of life improves is when the drugs/addictions are gone.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:03:10 PM new
Okay.. I'm going to risk ridicule here because I will be the first to admit that I don't know anything about drug usage.
But to say that "Homicide, robbery and burglary rates will decrease if drugs are legal. And, with less crime, the quality of urban life will improve tremendously."
I can't come to understand that reasoning.. I have always thought that these mind altering drugs impair reasoning and abilities.. so I don't see how there would be less of any of the above... impaired driving with the use of drugs, or lowered inhibitions or altered state of the psyche where people think they are indestructible or all powerful would lead to more of all of the above mentioned, not less?
Just my opinion..
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piinthesky
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:07:11 PM new
The quality and potency of the drugs will increase too or it will be regulated by the government, much the same way that it's determined through government controls as to how much alcohol is allowed in beer, wine and liquor.
Then for the really health conscious drug users they will come out with Heroin Light or Cocaine Light. I can see it now, they'll have slogans like; Less Addiction and it won't give you that jonesy paranoid feeling.
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replaymedia
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:08:10 PM new
I don't quite know if the previous post about banning alcohol as well was a joke or not, but I would seriously recommend it. They're all MIND ALTERING substances, and in MY opinion, should be banned.
Cigarettes and caffeine never killed innocent bystanders. People on drugs and alcohol do, all the time. If you are not in complete control of yourself, you can't be completely responsible for your actions. That is NOT a good state to be in.
I realize it'll never happen, and I know fully well how badly prohibition worked. But if it COULD be done, I'd say go with it!
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum sonatur.
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dblfugger9
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:20:27 PM new
lol Pi! Less Addiction and it won't give you that jonesy paranoid feeling...
I was thinking that myself when kraft mentioned the lives saved. (The lives saved??) Can you see the slogan?
Uncle sam wants you to save lives, buy U.S. Certifed cocainebon-bons... from us! Reach us online at www.pickthename.gov or visit your local State BAD (beverage alcohol drug) Store!!!
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piinthesky
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:20:51 PM new
It was not a joke. I used alcohol to show the hipocracy of laws making some drugs legal while others are not and because i feel that if some are illegal then they all should be.
I think some people think that if drugs were suddenly legalised that it would be a free for all and then Cheech and Chongo and all their cousins would flood in selling their dope on every street corner. It wouldn't happen like that. There would be government controls and only legitimate companies would be allowed to sell and distribute.
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colin
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:23:33 PM new
Even if it was legal, there would still be a black market.
I guess a lot of you are very naive about the drug culture. There are a lot of recreational users but there's far more people abusing drugs, using them as a crutch and bingo...addiction. Have you ever heard about designer drugs? A real junkie is always looking for the ultimate high.
Where do you think these people will get their drugs. At the "Big Stonies all Night" where will they get the money? What on earth makes you think it would be cheaper. Look at the cost of cigarettes or booze (ask Helen).
I've lost a few friends to drugs. I've used most at one time or another myself (never crack) but I have done my fair share of smack, coke and meth.( Long time ago)
You don’t think there will be criminals knocking over the legit drug stores. Christ, they rob drug stores now. Not for their habit but to make a buck.
Keep it up and you’ll all go on the A-List.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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maggiemuggins
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:24:16 PM new
Okay..PI.. now I'm not following you. Are you saying yes, all drugs/alcohol etc. should be legal but controlled? I'm not sure I'm understanding?
Colin.. I thought smack, crack and coke were all the same thing? They're not?
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Helenjw
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posted on October 27, 2005 07:26:32 PM new
Most drugs don't impair users any more than alcohol does. With legalization, a user will not have to resort to crime in obtaining or using drugs. Obviously, if the criminal aspect is removed, drug users can conduct themselves just as those people who use alcohol.
The bottom line is that all the social ills that are part and parcel of the drug problem would be significantly reduced.
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