posted on November 9, 2005 05:22:36 AM new
Democrats Win in Virginia, New Jersey
By ROBERT TANNER, AP
(Nov. 9) - Democrats cleaned up big in off-year elections from New Jersey to California, sinking the candidate who embraced President Bush in the final days of the Virginia governor's campaign. They also turned back all four of GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's efforts to reshape state government. YES!!!
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE HAD IT WITH THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
THE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING. YES!!!
DON'T BELIEVE THE CON-SERVATIVE LAWMAKERS THAT VOTED WITH BUSH FOR 5 YEARS. KICK THEM OUT OF POWER IN 2006. THEY VOTED FOR THE RICH AND INDUSTRY AND VOTED AGAINST THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.
posted on November 9, 2005 05:43:04 AM new
LOL the democratic candidate had a good lead prior to President Bush stopping by. Also before you cheer to loudly, the new democratic governor elect was missionary and is very much into his religon. So we shall see.
So what is your take on the new admendment to the Texas constitution?
posted on November 9, 2005 07:07:53 AM new
Ron, you asked "So what is your take on the new admendment to the Texas constitution"
I find it a predicable out come.
Ron you also said "before you cheer to loudly, the new democratic governor elect was missionary and is very much into his religion."
First of all I am not cheering. I realize the majority of Americans has a lot of work to do before we can DETHRONE the CON-servative lawmakers that have hurt them so much.
If all you have left is a SPIN trying to mix religion into the results of yesterdays votes. You are in big trouble man.
You have forgotten that the vast majority of Americans that voted yesterday are also religious.
Most Americans aren't buying the claim any-longer that voting out this form of CON-servative government is voting against religion.
SIMPLY PUT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS NOW BELIEVE. CON-SERVATIVES LIKE BUSH,CHENEY,DeLAY,FRIST,SANTORUM AND OTHERS HAVE FAILED THEM. NOTHING MORE OR NOTHING LESS. YES!!!
posted on November 9, 2005 07:40:58 AM new
Ron - Kaine may have deeply held religious beliefs but he has also talked about his recognition of the difference between his personal beliefs and the law. i.e. his stance on the death penalty.
Democrats do not believe that their politicians should be athiests Ron, we just believe that they should remember that they are elected to serve the best interests of their constituants, not their religion.
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posted on November 9, 2005 11:27:48 AM new
Bear,
TODAY 11/09/05 THE REPUBLICAN CON-SERVATIVE HOUSE OF LIARS,CONS AND CROOKS IS CRUMBLING.
I hope that brings you up to date on what is happening today. If not maybe you need to change your ability to understand battery.
Bear's liberal neighbor gave Bear a book pointing out the failures of this CON-SERVATIVE form of government. Bear went crazy and gave his neighbors kid a book and pack of batteries saying the book needed batteries to work. Poor Bear has lost touch.
posted on November 9, 2005 12:34:22 PM new
While some may see the elections yesterday as 'this administration is crumbling'
..let's put things into proper perspective....something SOME here just can't do.
from today's WSJ are some FACTS regarding those elections:
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In each case the incumbent party retained the seat in contention. . . .
Two governorships were up for grabs, one in Virginia and one in New Jersey. Both are now occupied by Democrats. And in yesterday's election, voters in those states decided that those Democratic governors will be succeeded by . . . Democrats.
Now, it's true that George W. Bush won Virginia by 8 percentage points in 2004, while Republican candidate Jerry Kilgore appears to have lost by 5 points.
But if you think Kilgore's loss reflects Bush's weakness and a nightmare for the GOP in 2006, consider this:
Bush won Virginia by eight points in 2000, too--and the following year Democrat Mark Warner became governor with a 5-point margin of victory.
The next year, in 2002, Republicans won a stunning midterm victory, taking four Senate seats[*] and expanding their majority in the House of Representatives. . . .
[Losing New Jersey Republican Doug Forrester] was the Republican candidate for Senate who lost by 10 points after Bob Torricelli quit in 2002. Last night he lost to Corzine by 11 points.
New Jersey Republicans should consider giving a different candidate a shot next time.
It's normal for the New Jersey and Virginia governor's races to be subject to overinterpretation by political junkies, who go through withdrawal every odd-numbered year and are desperate for a fix. But in truth, they have not been reliable bellwethers, as evidenced by the preceding four:
1989. Democrats won open seats in both races. In
1990 Democrats made modest gains: one Senate and eight House seats.
1993. Republicans won both races, with incumbent Jim Florio going down to defeat in New Jersey. (Virginia governor's races are always open, as the governor is limited to a single term.)
In 1994 Republicans won a victory that actually was stunning, taking control of the Senate for the first time in eight years and the House for the first time in two generations.
1997. New Jersey re-elected Republican Christine Whitman, and Virginia also elected a Republican.
In 1988 the Democrats gained a handful of House seats, while the Senate was a wash.
2001. Democrats reclaimed both governorships, at a time when President Bush's approval ratings were in the stratosphere.
In 2002 Republicans made modest gains, which were sufficient to retake the Senate from Jim Jeffords.
Only in 1993 were the New Jersey and Virginia races a precursor of major change.
In 1997 and 2001 the parties that lost the two governorships went on to make gains in the following year's midterm elections.
The only pattern we can see here is that in every election for the past 20 years, the president's party has lost both the New Jersey and Virginia governorships.
At the risk of being frightfully boring, our prediction is that the 2006 election, like the 2005 election, is likely to be a reaffirmation of the status quo. As we've argued, in the Senate the trend has been toward alignment with a state's presidential preferences in 2000 and 2004--but this trend is self-limiting.
In 2002 Democrats made big gains in Democratic states and Republicans made smaller gains in Republican ones, which means both parties' targets of opportunity are limited this time around.
As for the House, gerrymandering means that most members have safe seats and a 1994-style upheaval may be a once-in-a-lifetime event. In that regard, the election results that were most significant yesterday were those not in New Jersey and Virginia but in California and Ohio.
Voters in both states rejected ballot measures that would have taken redistricting out of the hands of legislators and reassigned it to nonpartisan commissions with a mandate to draw competitive districts.
This would have been to the Republicans' advantage in California and the Democrats' in Ohio, so if both had passed they might have canceled each other out.
In the event, voters in both the Golden and Buckeye states delivered their incumbents a victory, a year early.
* Actually, Republicans picked up three Senate seats in 2002 (in Georgia, Minnesota and Missouri) and lost one (Arkansas), for a net gain of two.
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So I certainly DON'T see where anything's "crumbling"....rather retaining the status quo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 04:21:45 AM new
As a proud Californian, I have to say that we handed Schwarzenegger a big fat NO vote on his four propositions--and defeated all the others, too. Legislation by proposition is dangerous, as a majority of voters in our state are saying.
Not too long ago Arnold S. was touted as the Great White Hope out here for the Republicans. Now we're seeing him as just another guy--and probably one of those guys who doesn't listen to his wife
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posted on November 10, 2005 06:52:31 AM new
Roady - why do you feel that requiring California teachers to to work five years to get tenure is a bad thing?
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posted on November 10, 2005 09:07:42 AM new
fenix, it wasn't just ONE issue....the Repugs wanted some kind of redistricting so they could choose their voters instead of the voters choosing (OR NOT) them.
There were four referendums not just one.
And, the fact that there was heavier than normal turnout for referendum voting speaks volumes about handing Schwartie back his Republican plans.
posted on November 10, 2005 09:23:25 AM new
Political naivete' at it's finest:
""only you can equate a few LOCAL wins in an off year by demoncrats, to bringing down the Bush admin.""
Oh, bearsy,
(A) it wasn't just a few
(B) All politics is local
(C) the bush administration is working it's best to bring itself down...elections are only part of it
posted on November 10, 2005 09:46:02 AM new
The PARTIAL TRUTH....doesn't sit well with me.
There were EIGHT measures on the CA ballot.....not just the four Arnold supported. And all EIGHT were defeated....even those the dems wanted to see passed.
And as I said in the other thread.....Californian's get what they deserve...voted for.
Now the liberal leglislature can go BACK to spending CA into bankruptcy.
Now CA has chosen to take away ANOTHER parental right.
Now CA has shown they aren't interested in fair redistricting....by a third, unbiased, party.
Now CA voters have proven they don't care about keeping bad/un-qualified teachers out of their school system. Yea, let this teachers that should be fired continue to teach their children....they'll be the one's paying for this 'get back at Arnold' vote. Not Arnold.
AND just remind everyone.....NO GAIN was made for the dems in the NJ and VA races....it was a 'push'.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 10:42:29 AM newJailed Man Wins California School Board Election
The Associated Press
Published: Nov 10, 2005
RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) -
The winner of a school board election didn't campaign, attend forums or even go to any school board meetings before the vote - because he was in jail.
Randy Logan Hale won 831 votes in Tuesday's election, securing one of three open seats on the Romoland School District Board in a community about 70 miles north of San Diego.
"This is wild, he'll be glad," said his wife, Penny.
Hale, 40, was returned to prison in September for violating his parole on 1998 convictions for spousal abuse and drug possession, the California Institution for Men in Chino said, and is due to be released Feb. 15. He declared his candidacy in August.
His wife and a district trustee confirmed he was imprisoned.
The election of an inmate to the school board is a conundrum for the district, and Superintendent Roland Skumawitz said he's consulting lawyers to figure out how to handle the situation.
Shaun Bowler, a political science professor at the University of California, Riverside, said Hale may have gotten votes because he was at the top of the ballot.
Yep....that's those 'bright' CA voters, once again.
AP-ES-11-10-05 1000EST
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 11:48:39 AM new
ANOTHER school stat that the 'oh-so-proud-CA-liberals appear to be so PROUD of:
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'Hey, kids, need a ride to a protest rally?'
Nov 10, 2005
by Larry Elder
World Can't Wait -- an anti-Bush, anti-war group, recently staged nationwide protests. The organization coordinated rallies in Chicago, Seattle, New York, San Francisco -- and Los Angeles.
The Los Angeles Unified School District took things a step further.
The district helpfully agreed to provide buses -- that's right, buses -- as well as "adult supervision" to the nearly 800 high school students who walked out of 10 high schools.
District officials said they thought it best to provide adults and transportation, since, you know, the kids intended to go to the rally, anyway. "Our issue . . . was safety," said the district's chief operating officer, "and I think we fulfilled our mission, frankly."
Really? Forgive some of us for thinking that the district's mission was. . .education.
WHAT were WE thinking?
And, given the less-than-superb academic performance of Los Angeles public school students, the educrats, one would have thought, would have frowned on allowing the kids to skip classes.
In the case of L.A. Unified School District third-graders, according to the 2005 standardized CAT/6 test, ****76 percent scored below the national average**** in reading tests, as did ***70 percent of seventh-graders***. In math, ***54 percent of third-graders tested below the national average***, with ***68 percent of seventh-graders also below the national norm***. For language, ***65 percent of third-graders scored below the national average***, with ***70 percent of seventh-graders failing to reach the national average****.
Yep, let's just be SOOOOooooo proud of those great liberal teachers going such a GREAT job teaching our children. Not!!!
One L.A. Unified teacher reportedly gave students class credit for attending the rally!
Now, since the Los Angeles district seems so concerned about student safety, [b]can we expect the district to ferry students to and from, say, a pro-Iraq war/pro-Bush rally? How about a no-new-taxes rally? Or an anti-Roe v. Wade rally?
yea, hope no one is holding their breath for THAT to ever happen
Consider the L.A. Unified public school music teacher, who routinely calls Republicans "stupid."
The school where he teaches, by the way, purports to follow a "code of conduct" that condemns discrimination based on race, sexual preference or religious beliefs. Yet the teacher, according to one of his students, constantly condemns Republicans as "crazy religious Christians."
The music teacher excitedly told the class about a "song" someone e-mailed him. He decided to serenade his class by singing the ditty a cappella:
The Battle Hymn of the Republicans
Mine eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush;
He has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push;
He has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush;
The Doofus marches on.
I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool;
There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school;
Should we fault him for the policies -- or is he just their tool?
The lies keep piling on.
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
His wreckage will live on.
I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir;
As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier;
Let the smokestacks keep polluting -- do we really need clean air?
The surplus is now gone.
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Your safety net is gone!
Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state;
Though the whole world knows it's crazy -- and the U.N. says to wait;
When he doesn't have the evidence, "We must prevaricate."
Diplomacy is done!
Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; we have no moral bounds;
Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds;
Enraging several billions -- to his brainlessness redounds;
The Doofus marches on!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
Glory! Glory! How he'll screw ya'!
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Yep, THIS is the kind of CRAP being taught to their students....and they wonder why the children are doing so poorly? And they blame it on THIS President? LOL LOL LOL Nope it's those damn liberal teachers teaching them the basics of propogranda - their side only of course.
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One student in the class, a self-described "conservative Christian Republican," almost bolted from the room. The student, however, feared the teacher's reputation for vindictiveness that could result in fewer assigned solos, or, even worse, not getting an invitation for the class's out-of-town concerts.
According to the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, registered Democrats outnumbered Republicans by a 10-to-1 ratio in the faculty of 150 departments at 32 elite colleges and universities. At 13 of the schools, they found only one Republican. And four of the schools showed no registered Republican in the departments examined.
Former First Lady Barbara Bush once marveled at how "any Republican" gets elected, given the anti-GOP bias in the media. And she admits she did not think her son would win: "I just thought, it's too difficult, and you're not gonna like this, but my gut feeling is that all the media is against George, Republicans, any Republican." Republicans fight not only media bias, but bias in academia.
Yep...again the MSM AND the WHOLE school system.
In any case, the L.A. Unified School District showed great experience and agility in coordinating buses. The mayor of New Orleans is probably impressed. And, at least no college or university supplied a bus to the World Can't Wait rally. But don't give them any ideas.
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Larry Elder is a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist and publishes a monthly newsletter entitled "The Elder Statement."
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 03:34:35 PM new
LIAR-LINDA_K said "Heard that PA also removed one of it's DEM justices off their Sup. Ct. Voted off....no confidence."
Well LIAR-LINDA_K, those twisted words from you are as always only tell half the story.
Yes, the people of Pennsylvania (including me) delivered a no confidence vote against Judge Niger. Because Judge Niger played a big role in the the Pennsylvania house members voting themselves a pay raise.
Ya see LIAR-LINDA_K unlike you. We Democrats vote out bad people period.
HEY OPPRESSOR LIAR-LINDA_K, WHERE YA GOING TO RUN TO WHEN YOUR WELL RUNS DRY?
WHEN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS VOTE OUT REPUBLICAN CON-SERVATIVES HOUSE MEMBERS LIKE DeLAY,FRIST,SANTORUM AND OTHERS IN 2006. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 04:05:46 PM new
How the liars won
By John Ziegler
THE RESULTS of the special election, while largely expected, are truly remarkable for what they reveal about who we are as a state and the current nature of our political landscape. They are not just important because they may end up being Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Waterloo, but also because they show so clearly that our political discourse is terribly broken, perhaps far beyond repair.
For instance, how in the world did Proposition 77 get so badly clobbered? The initiative — which would have taken legislative and congressional redistricting out of the hands of politicians and given it to a nonpartisan panel of judges — had the backing of our until-recently-popular governor, numerous Democrats and the majority of Republicans, as well as Common Cause and even the admittedly liberal editorial board of the L.A. Times (and every other major paper in the state). It is almost impossible to get that kind of agreement on what day of the week it is!
Not that many officials were willing to speak out publicly against trying to fix a clearly busted system of redistricting that nearly everyone agrees is corrupt and anti-democratic. Instead, the plan was apparently shot down because of 30-second TV ads that alternately featured a long-forgotten "People's Court" judge and three nameless (but clearly evil) old white male actors in robes who were seen carving up the state to look like Texas.
In fact, the entire special election campaign was dictated by 30-second TV ads (and to a lesser extent the relatively substantive 60-second radio ads) that were mostly such verbal garbage as to make even a Beverly Hills gold digger addicted to plastic surgery seem deep and honest by comparison. The vast majority of the commercials — which, for merely a couple of hundred million dollars, took over our television sets for the final weeks of the campaign — treated the truth as a mere technicality and the facts as just an obstacle to a goal apparently inspired by Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis' famous mantra, "Just Win Baby."
How could an anti-77 ad claim it was a "power grab" by politicians when, in fact, the initiative would take power away from politicians? How could an anti-Proposition 75 ad claim that Schwarzenegger had "tried to end death benefits for police and firefighters" when he did nothing of the sort? How could the teachers union say that the governor "cut" education spending when all he did was reduce the proposed increase (and actual spending went up by $3 billion this year)?
Unfortunately, in a country with a 1st Amendment, it is both impossible and inadvisable to ban or even restrict lying in a political campaign. However, that does not mean that there should be absolutely no repercussions for those who bend or break the truth in the pursuit of electoral victory. This is where the news media in California, as well as the public, failed in their democratic duties.
The newspapers (including this one, the paper of record for the region) made only a feeble effort to separate fact from fiction when it came to these absurd ads, and even then they made it seem as if both sides of the "debate" were lying equally.
In general, the news media seems to have created a matrix through which we were supposed to view all political discourse with such extreme cynicism that it is presumed that no one is telling the truth. So if one side claims that 2+2=4 and the other claims 2+2=100, there appears to be a consensus that the real answer must be somewhere in the middle. Ask yourself who prevails in that scenario? Obviously, it is the liars who win big because the truth, by its very nature, cannot be exaggerated. Well, there is absolutely no doubt that it was the liars who won in this election.
At least newspapers made some sort of an effort. Local TV news outlets (the very same ones that were making by far the most money from this election) gave almost a complete pass to the ads that were airing during their newscasts, focusing instead almost exclusively on the "horse race" aspect of the election. Even when KNBC and Telemundo sponsored a statewide, hour-long "forum" on the issues, it turned into a sham that was literally hijacked by Democratic Party operatives.
Our founding fathers knew well the vital importance of an informed and engaged public to make democracy work. Sadly, even in an era in which more information is at our fingertips than ever, California has proved that the machinery of our public dialogue is badly broken and that we as a people are not up to the considerable challenge of overcoming that deficiency.
JOHN ZIEGLER hosts "The John Ziegler Show" from 7-10 p.m. on KFI 640-AM. He is the author of "The Death of Free Speech: How Our Broken National Dialogue Has Killed the Truth and Divided America" (Cumberland House, 2005).
I gave my liberal neighbors son a book for his birthday. He went crazy trying to find where to put the batteries.
posted on November 10, 2005 04:06:06 PM new
Dream on peepa....this is nothing but a totaly repeat of what you SWORE would happen in the last two election cycles.
And it didn't. The Republicans took more seats away from you then.... BOTH TIMES....and then have went on to win the WH TWICE.
It's your same old, tired out 'blowing of hot air' ....like you've always done....and been totally WRONG.
LOL LOL LOL
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 10, 2005 04:22:07 PM new
Bear - If you want to see lying advertising, you should have seen the ads against the suspension of TABOR in Colorado. One featured a girl saying that the repeal of Tabor was going to mean that her parents would not be able to send her to college. Actually it meant that they would not get about $400 in tax refunds over a three year period but that that money would go to the state colleges among others.
I'm still trying to figure out what college she was going to go to at a cost of $133 a year.
The TABOR suspension was one of those issues that got huge out of state money poured in to defeat it because other states are trying to pass the same law and no one wants to have to admit that it failed in Colorado.
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posted on November 10, 2005 04:49:18 PM new
Personally, I think the reason our California propositions went down in flames can be laid at the feet of supporters of the propositions.
Every man jack in this state had been bombarded almost non-stop by these people. The telephone calls were especially annoying--I was getting 4-6 of them per day Some were live, others were recordings. Then there were the mailers and the things hung from doorknobs.
By the time the election finally rolled around all of us were screaming "no, no!" No more!!! at the mere thought of the damned things and many probably hit the "no" button on the voting machine through sheer reflex.
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