posted on November 15, 2005 06:36:12 PM
Republicans largely adopted the Democratic proposal as their own. They just can't stop being LIARS.
Senate GOP Blocks Dems on Iraq Timetable
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:28 PM EST
The Associated Press
By LIZ SIDOTI
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican-controlled Senate easily defeated a Democratic effort Tuesday to pressure President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. It then overwhelmingly endorsed a weaker statement calling on the administration to explain its Iraq policy.
On the question of a timetable for troop withdrawal, senators rejected the Democrats' proposal by 58-40. Democratic leaders had advanced the measure in the wake of declining public support for a conflict that has claimed more than 2,000 U.S. lives and cost more than $200 billion.
Republicans countered with their own nonbinding alternative that the Senate approved on a 79-19 vote. Five Democrats sided with the majority party.
Tuesday's fast-paced developments underscored the political significance of the war as the U.S. death toll climbs, public support plummets, the insurgency continues and the price tag soars with no end in sight.
Overall, the bill includes provisions that, taken together, mark an effort by the Senate to rein in some of the wide authority lawmakers gave the president following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The measure includes White House-opposed language that would prohibit the cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees and standardize interrogation procedures used by U.S. troops. The Bush administration has threatened to veto any bill that includes language about the treatment of detainees, arguing it would limit the president's ability to prevent terrorist attacks.
Senators added the language Tuesday that would allow Guantanamo detainees to appeal their status as "enemy combatants" and the rulings of U.S. military tribunals to a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C. That avenue would take the place of the one tool the Supreme Court gave detainees in 2004 to fight the legality of their detentions — the right to file habeas corpus petitions in any federal court.
Senators approved the measure on tribunals by an 84-14 vote. It was a bipartisan compromise reached after last week's Senate approval of a provision that stripped detainees entirely of their ability to file the petitions. Critics said that provision did not provide a meaningful way for detainees to appeal their status or the decisions of military tribunals.
Reflecting senators' anger over recent leaks of classified information to the public, the bill also includes provisions requiring the Bush administration to provide Congress with details on purportedly secret CIA prisons overseas and stripping of security clearances of any federal government official who knowingly discloses national security secrets.
The House version of the defense bill doesn't include those provisions, nor does it include the language on the detention, interrogation or prosecution of detainees. As a result, it's unclear whether any of those provisions will survive House and Senate negotiations and actually end up in the final defense bill.
However, House GOP leaders will be under pressure to adopt parts of the Senate bill, particularly the statement of U.S. policy in Iraq. That's because public support for the war has fallen and lawmakers are f
Republicans largely adopted the Democratic proposal as their own, but they omitted one paragraph calling for the president to offer a plan for a phased withdrawal of the roughly 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq. The administration has refused to set a timetable for withdrawal, saying insurgents simply would wait to strike until after U.S. forces departed.
More to article here
http://adelphia.net/news/read.php?ps=1018&id=12353314
posted on November 15, 2005 10:23:26 PM
"More trouble for Bush/Cheney about Iraq.
HUGE EYEROLL HERE!!!
How anyone can see this:
Republican-controlled Senate easily defeated a Democratic effort Tuesday to pressure President Bush to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.....
...as trouble.....is beyond me. Looks to me like they FAILED to get what they actually wanted.
But it figures, peepa, that you can distort most anything, comes as NO surprise to me.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 15, 2005 10:47:41 PM
Linduh read it again:
Tuesday's fast-paced developments underscored the political significance of the war as the
U.S. death toll climbs,
public support plummets,
the insurgency continues and the price tag soars with no end in sight.
Overall, the bill includes provisions that, taken together, mark an effort by the Senate to rein in some of the wide authority lawmakers gave the president following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The measure includes White House-opposed language that would prohibit the cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees and standardize interrogation procedures used by U.S. troops. The Bush administration has threatened to veto any bill that includes language about the treatment of detainees, arguing it would limit the president's ability to prevent terrorist attacks.
Senators added the language Tuesday that would allow Guantanamo detainees to appeal their status as "enemy combatants" and the rulings of U.S. military tribunals to a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C. That avenue would take the place of the one tool the Supreme Court gave detainees in 2004 to fight the legality of their detentions — the right to file habeas corpus petitions in any federal court.
Senators approved the measure on tribunals by an 84-14 vote. It was a bipartisan compromise reached after last week's Senate approval of a provision that stripped detainees entirely of their ability to file the petitions. Critics said that provision did not provide a meaningful way for detainees to appeal their status or the decisions of military tribunals.
Reflecting senators' anger over recent leaks of classified information to the public, the bill also includes provisions requiring the Bush administration to provide Congress with details on purportedly secret CIA prisons overseas and stripping of security clearances of any federal government official who knowingly discloses national security secrets.
The House version of the defense bill doesn't include those provisions, nor does it include the language on the detention, interrogation or prosecution of detainees. As a result, it's unclear whether any of those provisions will survive House and Senate negotiations and actually end up in the final defense bill.
However, House GOP leaders will be under pressure to adopt parts of the Senate bill, particularly the statement of U.S. policy in Iraq. That's because public support for the war has fallen and lawmakers are f
Republicans largely adopted the Democratic proposal as their own, but they omitted one paragraph calling for the president to offer a plan for a phased withdrawal of the roughly 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq. The administration has refused to set a timetable for withdrawal, saying insurgents simply would wait to strike until after U.S. forces departed.
posted on November 16, 2005 11:45:21 AM
LIAR-LINDA_K,
You really wouldn't want DUMBO to veto this bill and make himself look worst would you?
Goodness his approval ratings now are down to the mid 30%. If he and his administration keeps up all their lies and keep up doing crooked secret deals with the oil industry. DUMBO'S approval ratings could hit the 20% range soon.
NOW SEVERAL CON-SERVATIVE LAWMAKERS RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN 2006 ARE TRYING TO DO A FLIP FLOP. FLIP FLOPPING AND ACTING LIKE THEY ARE SEPARATING THEMSELVES FROM DUMBO AND THE CON-SERVATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. LOL
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO FORGET THESE SAME FLIP FLOPPER'S VOTED WITH BUSH FOR 5 YEARS. THESE SAME FLIP FLOPPER'S ALSO BACKED UP AND REPEATED DUMBO'S/CHENEY'S LIES FOR 5 YEARS.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KICK THESE PHONIES OUT OF POWER. YES!!!!
posted on November 16, 2005 08:19:57 PM
I look at it like this.
The Democrats did exactly what they wanted to do. They made a proposal, it was rejected by the Republicans, and then the Republicans put up a bill that was a mirror image of the Democrats, with one exception... they don't want any accountability.
The Democrats will easily show they tried to hold this Administration accountable, but the Republicans shot it down. Another stupid move on their part. It will surely come back to haunt those Republicans that think they "pulled one over" on us. It may not be an embarrassment to the neocons now, but wait til 2006. Bush has no plan, has never had a plan for post-Iraq. Whether they want to or not, they will ride the coattails of a lame duck President.
Looks to me like they FAILED to get what they actually wanted.
