kraftdinner
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posted on December 8, 2005 11:52:57 AM new
My father in law was diagnosed with Renal Cell Carcinoma a couple of weeks ago and is now in a coma. He was the Fire Chief where he lives and was healthy and lively only a few weeks ago. The doctors say he might have 24 hours. I've tried to keep my mind off things by posting here and there, so forgive me if my posts have been stupid.
All I want to say, is stuff can happen sooo fast, so enjoy what you have while you have it. Take care everyone. 
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NearTheSea
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posted on December 8, 2005 01:51:34 PM new
kraft, I am so sorry to hear about your FIL.
I'm sure you and your family are going through a lot right now. 
And yes, things can happen fast. Your right about enjoying what you have now.
I haven't read all your posts, but I doubt they are stupid
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colin
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posted on December 8, 2005 02:05:02 PM new
My prayers are with you and yours.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on December 8, 2005 02:19:11 PM new
[ edited by WashingtoneBayer on Dec 14, 2005 05:08 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on December 8, 2005 02:28:23 PM new
I am so sorry to hear that your father in law is so seriously ill, KD.
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hillbillymo
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posted on December 9, 2005 12:43:59 AM new
Sorry to hear of this and hopeful that peace
will come soon to all concerned.
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mingotree
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posted on December 9, 2005 06:31:04 AM new
So sorry to hear that , Kraft. Wishing you strength and courage at a very tough time.
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dblfugger9
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posted on December 9, 2005 08:24:57 AM new
hang in there, kraft.
(If ya need to fight with somebody to de-stress; let me know, I'll make myself available for ya... )
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Dec 9, 2005 01:20 PM ]
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maggiemuggins
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posted on December 9, 2005 08:45:25 AM new
Krafty, I just read your post. I am sorry to hear about your sad news. Sending a big hug your way. Maggie
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bigpeepa
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posted on December 9, 2005 09:16:36 AM new
Kraft,
I feel very bad for you and your family.
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fenix03
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posted on December 9, 2005 09:29:03 AM new
Thinking of you Krafty.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
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bunnicula
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posted on December 9, 2005 12:18:49 PM new
Kraft, my thoughts are with you!
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piinthesky
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posted on December 9, 2005 12:41:15 PM new
Kraft, i don't believe in prayer but i am sending good thoughts your way, that hopefully your FIL doesn't suffer too much. Take care of yourself too.
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profe51
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posted on December 9, 2005 10:13:07 PM new
So sorry you have to go through this KD. Be strong, this too will pass.
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Habla siempre que debas y calla siempre que puedas....
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cblev65252
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posted on December 10, 2005 06:14:15 AM new
You have my prayers, KD as well as the rest of my family's (we remember the prayers for Ryan). Passed this along to my brother who is going to do a prayer circle at church for your father-in-law.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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colin
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posted on December 10, 2005 06:23:03 AM new
Pi, that's the same thing,
"Kraft, i don't believe in prayer but i am sending good thoughts your way, that hopefully your FIL doesn't suffer too much. Take care of yourself too. "
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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piinthesky
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posted on December 10, 2005 10:36:03 AM new
I've always thought that prayer was some kind of a plea to God to not let something happen, or to have something happen, or to pray to the glorification of God. All of that is what i don't believe in but a thought about someone is just a thought and my post to Kraft was to let her know that she's in my thoughts and i am hoping that it all turns out the best way possible, under the circustances that is.
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dblfugger9
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posted on December 13, 2005 07:25:56 PM new
prayer is your conscious self being sans the beast up yer zz with it.
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piinthesky
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posted on December 13, 2005 11:37:23 PM new
'prayer is your conscious self being sans the beast up yer zz with it.'
Oh Lucie, can you splain that please??
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kiara
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posted on December 14, 2005 07:27:31 AM new
Kraft, I am so sorry to hear this and my thoughts are with you. Take care.
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dblfugger9
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posted on December 14, 2005 08:18:13 AM new
, PI. Well, there is a line of thought that your true God-self is all about your conscious awareness of your thoughts and daily attitudes, from which all of your true reality flows. But to tap into that, you cannot still indulge in the material or flesh related desires.
I really dont know why kraft would make a thread called prayers and/or seek intervention from a higher power when she's made her opinion about it very clear many times. So I figure then it must be this new age'ie type conception. but even trying to manifest that, you have to let certain attitudes go.
'splaned myself for you Rickie?
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Dec 14, 2005 08:19 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on December 14, 2005 08:30:08 AM new
I also found it odd that she'd ask for prayers rather than just positive thoughts....as you say because of all her previous posts being so anti-organized-Church related.
But many turn to God for help/healing when the going gets tough who never prayed or never believed until that point presented itself.
I do send positive thoughts in her FIL's direction.
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piinthesky
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posted on December 14, 2005 11:26:28 AM new
Thank you, Loosie for splaining that for me. now go cook me up some bacon and some beans and then put another log on the fire.
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So, i guess i was correct that prayer and thoughts are two different things. Prayer is a plea to a higher power, while a thought is just a thought, right?
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fenix03
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posted on December 14, 2005 12:24:30 PM new
I think there is a big difference between believing in prayer and believing in organized churches. Just because one does not believe in religion does not mean that they cannot believe in god or a higher power.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
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piinthesky
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posted on December 14, 2005 01:07:39 PM new
Sure, you can believe in God or a higher power and not believe in organized religion but then someone will come along and slap a label on you, as if you belong in with a group of people with the same way of thinking, or similar, like it is some sort of a religion. I believe that you just have to ignore those labels and believe the way that you want. Likewise, those that choose to put labels on their own beliefs should not be critisized for it, as long as they don't hurt others in the name or belief of their chosen label.
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Linda_K
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posted on December 14, 2005 01:16:30 PM new
That's very true, fenix. KD herself has said she believes in God....but when asked which religion's 'God' she learned about...came to believe....she would never answer. And I asked her several times. Almost each time she make some anti-religion statement.
If you believe in a 'God'....then certainly that belief didn't just come out of the air. Just as some people don't believe in a 'God' but rather a higher power of some sort...as you mentioned.
KD said she believed in God.
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kraftdinner
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posted on December 14, 2005 01:49:08 PM new
Thanks soooo much for your prayers everyone. He has taken a turn for the better and has come out of the coma. They are going to try to operate if he stays lucid. It might only give him another 6 months if he comes through the operation but he was at death's door on Saturday. I feel so blessed. Thank-you!
Linda, you are such a fibber about my religion. Fenix is correct. You don't have to believe in organized religion to have a belief system - what a silly thing to say.
I've always thought that prayer was some kind of a plea to God to not let something happen, or to have something happen, or to pray to the glorification of God. All of that is what i don't believe in but a thought about someone is just a thought and my post to Kraft was to let her know that she's in my thoughts and i am hoping that it all turns out the best way possible, under the circustances that is.
Great post, Pi.
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fenix03
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posted on December 14, 2005 01:57:41 PM new
I first learned about god from Martin Sheen. 
I didn't go to church to church and neither of my parents were religious so there were no god discussions in my house. What I knew early on I learned from a Sunday morning series that used to play out various dramas with a religious theme and message. Martin Sheen was either in a bunch of them or in a couple that they reran alot.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
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fenix03
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posted on December 14, 2005 02:00:33 PM new
Good to hear Krafty. Cancer is one evil monster. Glad to hear that your dad has scared it off for the time being.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
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Linda_K
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posted on December 14, 2005 02:02:07 PM new
KD - Glad to hear his chances have improved.
But to again say you believe in God....then answer me 'whose God? A person just doesn't make up a God and say they believe in him/her. It has to come from somewhere....not just out of the sky.
And you have been very critical of Christian beliefs in your past posts....so...I'll ask again....what God are you praying to....what God are your prayers directed to?
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