posted on January 19, 2006 09:11:50 AM new
Yep, Bush doesn't spend any time on this mass murderer. Looks like Georgie's pet peeve is back and will be a bigger thorn in his side. If Bush would have been doing his job properly, Bin Laden would be dead instead of plotting additional attacks here. The giant holes in our National Security will be obvious if we are attacked again. It is shameful that Bush has spent billions and billions of dollars that should have been used to protect this country instead of attacking another. If thousands of Mexicans can cross our border daily, it is obvious that terrorists can easily do the same. It is shameful, and a disgrace to Americans.
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Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago
Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce "with fair conditions."
The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast.
It was the first purported tape from the al-Qaida leader in more than a year — the longest period without a message since the Sept. 11 2001 suicide hijackings in the United States.
The tape appeared to have been made since late November. The speaker refers to an alleged comment by President Bush about bombing the Qatar headquarters of Al-Jazeera, which was first reported in the British press on Nov. 22.
He also refers indirectly to the July 7 bombings in London that killed 56 people and to poll numbers that showed a fall in Bush's popularity, as occurred in late 2005.
The voice on the tape said he was directing his message to the American people after polls showed that "an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq but (Bush) opposed that desire."
He said insurgents were winning the conflict in Iraq and warned that security measures in the West and the United States could not prevent attacks there.
"The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of European nations," he said "The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission."
The speaker did not give conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera.
"We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to," he said. "We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war.
"There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America," he said.
There was no immediate confirmation of the tape's authenticity, although the voice resembled that of bin Laden's in previous messages.
The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera. In that recording, he endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of Iraqi elections.
Since then, bin Laden's deputy in al-Qaida, Ayman al-Zawahri, has issued a number of video and audiotapes, including one claiming responsibility for the London attacks, which he said came after Europe rejected the terms of a truce al-Qaida had previously offered them.
Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief Ahmed al-Sheik would not comment on when or where the tape was received. He said the full tape was 10 minutes long. The station aired four excerpts with what it "considered newsworthy," he said, but would not say what was on the remainder.
posted on January 19, 2006 09:35:13 AM new
The very idea they are offering a "truce" tells me they are the ones losing the effort and are running a bluff.
I say keep at 'em. Now more than ever.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 19, 2006 10:18:13 AM new
Ron- "I say keep at 'em."
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush 3/13/02
Seems you are at odds with the President there Ron. Bush is a disgrace to every single person who died on 9/11 and every single serviceman who has died in Iraq. He admits to taking his eye off Bin Laden, and unfortunately it will be more innocent Americans who will die because of it.
posted on January 19, 2006 10:23:25 AM new
Trombone says:
"that is about as hysterical as his title, "reverend". It goes to show anyone can be ordained from a Cracker Jack box."
posted on January 19, 2006 02:47:18 PM new
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush 3/13/02
What do you want him to say, that he's our number one risk, and that we can't stop him? It's called reverse psychology. Of course he's going to deny BinLadens importance.
Bin-Who?
"that is about as hysterical as his title, "reverend". It goes to show anyone can be ordained from a Cracker Jack box."
Uh oh. You probably shouldn't read the message I just posted over in the other thread. I had no idea this had just become a topic of disussion. But as usual, I'm on Colin's side.
Dr. Arcane, revelator of mystical secrets http://www.drarcane.com
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posted on January 19, 2006 05:48:36 PM new
" Reverend Colon now speaks for Islam. "There is no truce in Islam.""
This is what makes you lefties so incredibly stupid. Reverend Colin does not speak for these freaks. When these freaks say that in order to live in a pure world they have to get rid of all infidels, you think they're "fooling around".
posted on January 19, 2006 06:02:43 PM new
Colon- you sure seem to be so concerned with everybody elses sexuality, yet you're the one with the website hanging out with your male biker "friends". as i have said, what you do on your own time is your business, and as we know there are other gay Republicans out there... the real question is how much lip service Colon give them.
posted on January 19, 2006 06:11:04 PM new
drarcane- "It's called reverse psychology. Of course he's going to deny BinLadens importance."
ROFLMAO!!!! That has to be the dumbest response I have ever heard.
For someone to actually legitimize Bush's statements by using the "reverse psychology" card simply shows how shallow and insulting you are to every last human being who died on September 11. Over 3000 people died at the hands of Bin Laden and you are willing to support a traitor that is insulting those very lives that were lost. Absolutely despicable.
posted on January 19, 2006 06:17:38 PM new
Why is it that the neocons here are so willing to support the lack of respect for those who died, by supporting Bush's own insensitive statements. You are the most hypocritical people I have ever witnessed. You claim that the liberals here are against the President, are anti-American, but when we support the President to go after Bin Laden, you cry foul. What??? You don't want action taken? You can't handle the facts laid before you that Bush is nothing more than Bin Laden's puppet. It is nothing more than a game of cat and mouse, and you buy it hook line and sinker. You don't demand responsibility for the injustices committed against this country, but you cry foul when others do. You think you are Pro-American, but your lack of respect for American lives tells the world otherwise. It is shameful. A disgrace, not only to America, but to humanity as a whole. It is sad that you actually take pride in defending this Administrations lack of political comprehension, the economic wasteland that they created, and accountability as a whole.
posted on January 19, 2006 06:23:00 PM new
You have shown no respect yourself rusty and you have the nerve to question others?
Anyone that would even consider taking this "truce" really is naive about the middle east.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
posted on January 19, 2006 06:40:23 PM new
"Anyone that would even consider taking this 'truce' really is naive about the middle east."
First off, Pakistan nor Afghanistan is in the Middle East. It is in Asia, Central and Western Asia to be exact. This is of course another misleading neocon statement.
Second, Ron... just curious, but who is "considering taking a truce?
The Bush Administration is likely to take a truce, as they have in the past. Kadafi is a classic example. How many people died by the hands of Kadafi? Bush accepted his recent truce. In this country, we hold murders accountable whether they did it yesterday or 30 years ago. Why should he be any different? Bush has done jack sh!t to find Bin Laden. In fact, Bin Laden wanted the US military base closed in Saudi Arabia. He wanted it so bad, that he attacked us on our soil. Shortly after 9/11, guess who left Saudi Arabia on Bush's watch? The US Military. So, when you want to cry about truces, perhaps you should let Bush know how you feel. Rons comments today seem to contradict the Bush Administrations feelings towards truces and terrorists.
posted on January 19, 2006 06:54:41 PM new
1) Be straight with the American people.
2) Actually follow the recommedations of top US military strategists by using the proper amount of troops to either capture or kill Bin Laden instead of letting him run loose. We have the greatest military in the world, with the greatest technology in the world. There is absolutely no reason for Bin Laden to not be captured or killed over 4.5 years. It took 9 months to find Hussein, what is the excuse for Bin Laden other than Bush's ties to the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia.
3) Protect our borders properly. If thousands of Mexicans can cross into this country illegally just in Texas, Arizona, and California, then terrorists can use the same means anywhere along our pourous borders. Bush needed to put the money where it was needed to protect this country. Americans fought for this country. We put every last bit of our lives and families on the line to become the USA. Did the Iraqi people do the same? Did they ask for help? Did they stand up to their dictator? No. We had to do it for them, and we used a lie to do so. Just curious where those WMDs are?
I'm a Progressive Liberal, and all I want is accountability. Accountability and Justice for the actrocities of 9/11. Bin Laden should have been captured or killed in an attempt to capture him. What he did was so disgraceful to humanity. The neocons here prefer to protect and shield any accountabilty of this administration by using lame excuses. They talk pro-military, but when it comes down to it, they are more like pro-"money in their wallet".
[ edited by rustygumbo on Jan 19, 2006 06:56 PM ]
posted on January 19, 2006 07:30:18 PM new
Rusty, the war against terrorism will never end. Same with the war on drugs. It will become something that will be fought every day from now on until the earth blows up or the U.S. and its allies runs out of money.
Bin Laden stated he will bankrupt the U.S. If Iran loses it and hits Israel, could the U.S. go bankrupt fighting them? What if the U.S. was attacked again?
posted on January 19, 2006 07:34:40 PM new
Peace via the means of perpetual war is simply not acceptable. When the Christians give up their crusade to convert everyone across the world, and the Muslims give up their jihadist ways, then there might be hope.
Removing Bin Laden from the equation will do two things.
1) Remove the huge funding and support from the Bin Laden family 2) Will pull the curtain open to reveal where the real terrorists and their funding is coming from. If you don't think the Bush's and Bin Laden's sleep together, then you are sadly mistaken.
posted on January 19, 2006 11:44:59 PM new
Rusty, You are for war and military going after Bin Laden Then you say : bla bla bla war is waste of money and :
"Peace via the means of perpetual war is simply not acceptable.
Removing Bin Laden from the equation will do two things."
OK I give,You want Bin Laden gone you going over there and take him out personally? OR are you going to rhetoric him to death?
Plus you state "Bush has done jack sh!t to find Bin Laden". Do you truly think the government is going to tell us or you how, when and how many times, where and why they go after anyone? No they are not. So unless you are part of the CIA,Special opps, FBI, or any other government agency involved with hunting down terrorist or the like and you are letting out their secrets, I don't think you can truthfully make that statement.... NO one can truly know what another person does even if you live with them, and I know you don't live with GW. LOL only Jack sh!t knows him that well after all GW did JS, according to you that is .... Little humor there for those who want to take it literally.
I am not against the war Yes Bin Laden needs to be killed and I have no idea how the government is going about finding him and truthfully don't want to know cause if I knew then so would everyone else thus would not find him. There is such a thing as letting out too much information.
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posted on January 20, 2006 04:06:14 AM new
For me its a bottom line of 4.5 years no DEAD Bin Laden. What do we get from DUMBO Bush about Bin Laden? We get LIP SERVICE.
I AM SICK OF DUMBO'S LIP SERVICE ABOUT BIN LADEN AND OTHER IMPORTANT U.S. ISSUES LIKE OUR OPEN BORDERS.
LOOK AT WHAT CHINA IS DOING TO AMERICA AND DUMBO IS OVER THERE KISSING AZZ.
DON'T FORGET THE BEST GOVERNMENT MONEY CAN BUY AND THE CONSERVATIVE LIP SERVICE ABOUT IT.
posted on January 20, 2006 06:01:55 AM new
Oh so now you want to be literal about locations? Afghanistan is still known as middle eastern country. Besides if Bin Laden is in Pakistan there is nothing we can do to get him, as they are supposedly on our side and hunting for him also or would you have us invade Pakistan to?
Bin laden is actually a nothing right now, he is cut off and really not a factor. It would be nice to get him and I don't think we will stop going after him. Just because we don't read about it like Iraq there are troops hunting for Bin Laden.
Your saying President Bush has been disrespectful to the people of 9/11 is one of the mose disrespectful things I have read in a long time.
Progressive liberal is still a liberal.
Oh and your non comment about the OP leads people to believe you agree with it.
So do you agree with it?
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
[ edited by WashingtoneBayer on Jan 20, 2006 06:02 AM ]
posted on January 20, 2006 06:52:41 AM new
"and as we know there are other gay Republicans out there... "
I'm guessing there’s many out there maybe some on this board, I'm sure there’s a few on the other board...but you wouldn’t know one way on another. They don't use it as a flag.
Bin Laden, if he is a live has been reduced to a figurehead.
The danger is with those just below him, the ones that organize, set up the logistics and those that carry out the attacks.
posted on January 20, 2006 08:36:24 AM new
"Bin laden is actually a nothing right now, he is cut off and really not a factor. It would be nice to get him and I don't think we will stop going after him. Just because we don't read about it like Iraq there are troops hunting for Bin Laden."
I think it would be nice to get him-we owe him a hanging.I think if we did get him,the other terrorists might think we could get anybody and they might be more reluctant to carry out any attacks against the U.S.That attack the other day with the drone reported we got 2 or 3 of the "higher ups". I think Bin Ladens message was no coincidence-maybe he thinks were getting to close him and he wants a treaty. What befuddles me is how this 6' 5' camel jockey can hide among the rest of the towel heads,when they are only 5'8 or 5' 9.You would think he would stand out like a sore thumb.
posted on January 20, 2006 09:49:55 AM new
Classic he is probably so far underground that only cave dwellers would see him.
Ron
"I'm so depressed. My doctor refused to write me a
prescription for Viagra. He said it would be like putting
a new flagpole on a condemned building."
posted on January 20, 2006 10:05:31 AM new
"Oh and your non comment about the OP leads people to believe you agree with it.
So do you agree with it?"
What are you talking about? What OP? I've made my opinion very clear regarding Osama Bin Laden. How much clearer do you need it? I have never called for a truce with terrorists, that isn't what you neocons want everyone to believe though. Most liberals strongly supported Bush in finding and eradicating Osama Bin Laden, however, it is painstakenly obvious that isn't in the agenda of the Bush Administration. Instead, they pulled most troops away from Afghanistan and put them Iraq. Never finishing the job. Worse yet, they did so by ignoring experts who said there were no WMDs in Iraq. As much as you neocons like to say, "the intelligence was bad", the truth was right in front of the Bush Administration and they chose to ignore it.
The Bush problem with Bin Laden is his ties to his family in Saudi Arabia. Bush isn't going to do anything to catch him b/c it is all about the oil relationship between the Bush and Bin Laden family. You know it, everyone knows it. You simply don't want to admit it.
posted on January 20, 2006 12:16:44 PM new
Thats not true-Bin Linden is an outcast in Saudi Arabia-Im sure his family could care less if hes caught or not.
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posted on January 20, 2006 03:21:50 PM new
What befuddles me is how this 6' 5' camel jockey can hide among the rest of the towel heads,when they are only 5'8 or 5' 9.You would think he would stand out like a sore thumb.
He'S walking on the side of the curb.
Or as Peebrain would say:
YES, CURB, LIMBOT, YES WALK, NEO-CON, YES ME PROGRESSIVE BUTT BOY, YES. I MAKE NO CENTS. YES.
posted on January 20, 2006 05:16:04 PM new
Bigpeepa- "ITS GREAT BEING A PROGRESSIVE WATCHING CON-SERVATIVES DESTROY THEMSELVES"
Unfortunately, their ethics or lack there of is taking a big dump on America. I would rather the Conservatives actually do the right thing and gloat about it, then what they are doing right now to destroy America. The neo-convicts do everything to win, that they lose sight of what their responsibilities are. The politics of the last 7 years is embarrasing and insulting to Americans who have made this country what it is. And yes... the last 7 years, which goes back to the Clinton years. It is sick and apalling from both sides. Too many from both sides have corrupted this government, and all it has done is create a huge rift that has divided America. We can sit back and argue with each other, or we can hold our politicians accountable. The choice is yours, but I would rather admit someone I have supported did the wrong thing, than sit back and defend them knowing they are corrupt. This current Administration has led this country down a dark path, and the current Congress has rubber stamped it all the way through. I could care less if a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent or a Communist or a Socialist won, as long as they are honest and lead this country for the better of this country.
It should be a huge embarrasment for every American that the President wasn't told about Bin Laden's video until well after it was released across the wires. Who is in charge? It obviously isn't Bush.
[ edited by rustygumbo on Jan 20, 2006 05:19 PM ]
