bigpeepa
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posted on February 14, 2006 02:55:01 PM
POSTED: 2:51 p.m. EST December 9, 2003
The following statement by the Humane Society of the United States was e-mailed to ThePittsburghChannel.com on Tuesday afternoon:
Monday's hunting trip to Pennsylvania by Vice President Dick Cheney in which he reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today that 500 farm-raised pheasants were released yesterday morning at the Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township for the benefit of Cheney's 10-person hunting party. The group killed at least 417 of the birds, illustrating the unsporting nature of canned hunts. The party also shot an unknown number of captive mallards in the afternoon.
"This wasn't a hunting ground. It was an open-air abattoir, and the vice president should be ashamed to have patronized this operation and then slaughtered so many animals," states Wayne Pacelle, a senior vice president of The Humane Society of the United States. "If the Vice President and his friends wanted to sharpen their shooting skills, they could have shot skeet or clay, not resorted to the slaughter of more than 400 creatures planted right in front of them as animated targets."
I remember when this SLAUGHTER happend near Pittsburgh back in 2003. I also remember real PA. Hunters saying CHENEY DOESN'T HUNT HE JUST SLAUGHTERS.
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classicrock000
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posted on February 14, 2006 03:13:00 PM
he just slaters???
aaaaahhhhh what does that mean????
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nerfballwillie
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posted on February 14, 2006 03:48:33 PM
I especially like how he was cited for failing to purchase the proper licenses for the hunting. Guess he doesn't feel like he should pay things like taxes.
Also, while everybody is laughing on FOX about how it was no big deal, the guy he shot just had a heart attack. Something tells me, if it were me, I would be charged with a crime.
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fenix03
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posted on February 14, 2006 04:43:28 PM
Doesn't Texas have bag limits? And seasons? Isn't duck season over?
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classicrock000
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posted on February 14, 2006 04:56:49 PM
Yes Texas does have bag limits-since crowfarts a two bagger,shes over her limit.......
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colin
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posted on February 14, 2006 05:06:44 PM
Ducks fall under Federal law I believe.
I remember always getting the federal stamp for ducks.
http://www.fws.gov/le/HuntFish/waterfowl_baiting.htm
"Waterfowl and other migratory birds are a national resource protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Hunting waterfowl is a popular sport in many parts of the country. Federal and State regulations help ensure that these birds continue to thrive while providing hunting opportunities."
Amen,
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Bear1949
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posted on February 14, 2006 05:36:03 PM
He was hunting quail (It is Quail season in S Texas) Daily bag limit 15 Posession limit 45
He needed a Quail stamp ($7)
Statement by the Office of the Vice President
It has been brought to the Vice President's attention by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department this afternoon that, although he had acquired a 125 dollar Texas non-resident season hunting license, he lacked a 7 dollar stamp for hunting upland game birds. To address any questions about the licensing:
-- A member of the Vice President's staff wrote a check for 140 dollars understanding that this would purchase a Texas non-resident season hunting license that would permit the Vice President to hunt quail in Texas. It appears now that the license itself cost 125 dollars, and an extra 15 dollars covered the cost of a Federal migratory bird stamp. The Vice President did not need the Federal stamp, as he already possessed one.
-- The staff asked for all permits needed, but was not informed of the 7 dollar upland game bird stamp requirement.
--Because the requirement is new, the Department has informed us that it is issuing warnings, and the Vice President expects to receive one. He will take whatever steps are needed to comply with applicable rules.
-- In the meantime, the Vice President has sent a 7 dollar check to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, which is the cost of an upland game bird stamp.
Crowfart is more like a 6 bagger, size XXXXL
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profe51
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posted on February 14, 2006 05:46:48 PM
Cheney was hunting wild birds when he shot his pal, but he does participate in hunting pen raised game as reported above. As somebody who hunts game to eat, I find this slaughter (not "slater" deplorable too. Killing animals for the sake of killing them is sickening. Personally, I think it's just a way for rich A$$holes to pay to prove that their peckers aren't really as tiny as everybody suspects.
By the way Bear, how much do you figure a Ruger Vaquero .45, about 15 years old, in 95-98% condition, 5 1/2" stainless with custom stag grips is worth? I looked on gunbroker but don't see anything really similar.....
edit to add: There's a guy does work for me here once in a while who wants to give me one as security on a 350 dollar loan...thought I might just offer to buy it from him...my boy is ready for a heavy cartridge, and I'd like to start him out on a single action...he shot my Colt Commander last weekend but I don't think he's got the sense quite yet to handle an auto, or even a DA.
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Bear1949
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posted on February 14, 2006 06:02:24 PM
Prof, grab it for $350 and run. Good idea to start him on a SA revolver. Til he becomes accustomed to cocking the hammer and firing, load one round at a time.
I'm sure you will teach him the right way to clean it after each outing.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 14, 2006 07:04:45 PM
They had a segment on CNN last night about how there are less and less hunters each year. They have training camps for young people to teach them to how to hunt - some were younger than 10. (Yuck!)
I agree with you 100% Prof. I know how much you care for animals.
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bigpeepa
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posted on February 14, 2006 07:33:06 PM
classic,
I fixed my misspelled word thanks. I sure don't want anyone to miss that Cheney just SLAUGHTERS he doesn't really Hunt.
MAYBE SHOOTING ANOTHER HUMAN TO CHENEY IS JUST COLLATERAL DAMAGE NO BIG DEAL. CHENEY NEVER DID FEEL COLLATERAL DAMAGE WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO KEEP STATS ON OR REPORT.
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Bear1949
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posted on February 14, 2006 07:51:05 PM
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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classicrock000
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posted on February 14, 2006 07:55:35 PM
LOL Bear you're too much
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bigpeepa
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posted on February 14, 2006 07:56:31 PM
BEAR, YOUR RIGHT BOTH LAURA BUSH AND KENNEDY ARE NOT GOOD DRIVERS.
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classicrock000
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posted on February 14, 2006 08:00:26 PM
" I fixed my misspelled word thanks. I sure don't want anyone to miss that Cheney just SLAUGHTERS he doesn't really Hunt."
IS THIS AGAINST THE LAW???
IF NOT, GET OVER IT!!
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parklane64
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posted on February 14, 2006 08:14:12 PM
But, but, did he have the stamp for lawyers?
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Bear1949
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posted on February 14, 2006 08:34:01 PM
But, but, did he have the stamp for lawyers?
Thats why the delay in reporting the incedent.
The had to contact a TP&W game warden to determind the bag limit and posession limit on attormeys.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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roadsmith
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posted on February 14, 2006 08:56:13 PM
We just watched the Jon Stewart rerun of last night's show. His treatment of the Cheney hunting accident was priceless.
I think the reason many of us take delight in this event is that Cheney is such a sneering, pompous guy, so above it all and sure he's right all the time.
I wonder if the guy who was shot will sue.
Tonight an M.D. was saying the buckshot is either on his heart, in which case they MAY operate to remove it, or IN his heart deeper, in which case they wouldn't try to remove it and it can keep causing fibrillations etc.--especially troublesome for a 78-year-old man.
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Bear1949
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posted on February 14, 2006 09:29:58 PM
Roady, to clear up a misconception, it isnt BUCKSHOT, It was #7 1/2 Birdshot, Major difference.
Had Whittington been hit with buckshot he most likely would have died on the spot.
Buckshot is approx 1/4 inch in diameter, No. 7 1/2 shot is about 1/16th of an inch.
A 28 ga shotshell is only capable of holding only 3 or 4 buckshot while it will hold almost 200 pcs of birdshot.
The birdshot traveled through his blood stream to the heart, not by penetrating the chest.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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roadsmith
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posted on February 14, 2006 11:19:35 PM
Thanks, Bear. I know nothing about guns or ammunition, as you can tell! I appreciate the clarification.
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dblfugger9
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posted on February 15, 2006 03:27:10 AM new
The birdshot traveled through his blood stream to the heart, not by penetrating the chest.
Bear, will they try to charge him with involuntary murder if the guy dies ya think? I wonder how that works?
(Aspirin a day is good btw. yOU will be fine, have no worries at least that is what the ghosts tell me... ... )
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profe51
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posted on February 15, 2006 04:34:29 AM new
grab it for $350 and run
I had a feeling you'd say that, it's a really pretty pistol..btw, the kid loves cleaning...lucky or what?
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bigpeepa
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posted on February 15, 2006 04:50:33 AM new
classic said, IS THIS AGAINST THE LAW???
IF NOT, GET OVER IT!! about how Cheney doesn't really hunt he just SLAUGHTERS.
Your right classic lots of things Bush,Cheney do are not against the law but they sure are IMMORAL.
CONSERVATIVES ARE BEYOND SHAME IN THEIR EFFORTS TO FEED THE RICH AND INDUSTRY.
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classicrock000
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posted on February 15, 2006 05:14:02 AM new
I see Bigpeepa is up early this morning spreading his good cheer<snicker>
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cblev65252
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posted on February 15, 2006 05:40:37 AM new
dbl
You and I would probably be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Cheney? Who knows.
Accidents happen, but if you are going to be toting a gun for whatever reason, you'd better darn well be prepared to pay the consequences should you screw up.
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on February 15, 2006 06:07:39 AM new
The problem for the Bush administration is not the accident itself but how seriously it was mishandled. Withholding the information from the American public and trying to trivialize a shooting by the Vice President reveals again the secretive and above the law nature of this administration and their propensity to bungle everything.
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colin
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posted on February 15, 2006 07:20:36 AM new
In New York State there's an open season on Varmint.
I believe Lawyers fall under that category.
Bear, Is it legal to own 50 cal. fire arms in Tx.?
Amen,
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Bear1949
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posted on February 15, 2006 08:33:43 AM new
Roady, not a problem. Glad to enlighten you.
Dbl, since the TP@W incident report indicates it was an accident & no drugs or alchol was involved, I doubt any charges would be charged.
Prof, if I had it on my talbe to sell, I'd have a price of $500 or more on it.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
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Bear1949
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posted on February 15, 2006 12:10:48 PM new
Bear, Is it legal to own 50 cal. fire arms in Tx.?
I presume you're refering to the .50 Browning Machine Gun round?
There is no ban in Texas on ANY .50 caliber weapons.
I sell a lot of .50 BMG brass & projectiles for reloading and some live .50 BMG ammo at the local shows.
I had one customer that lived in California but keeps his firearms here in Texas because of California's ban on the .50 BMG. He bought supplies from me. He would fly into Houston once or twice a month to go to the range.
But now the .50 cal shooters have figured how to bypass the assinine California ban.
They fireform the .50 BMG brass to give the shoulder a different angle. When the angle of the shoulder is changed, it offically is no longer a .50 BMG round. After rechambering the rifle barrel to the brass' new shoulder angle they have the same performance as the .50 BMG but it is now California legal.
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