posted on March 28, 2006 06:32:21 AM
What's wrong with this statement...
As we watch these rioters milling about...
One of the great examples of what I love about Fox News.
They are covering the events in Paris this morning which seem at this point to be pretty sedate. But don't let your eyes fool you. Sure you are watching footage of two people on the street who seem to be seem to be talking about one their jackets but if you listen to the announcer "...in Paris where things are clearly getting out of hand... you will see the fair and balanced truth.
Ooops... think someone realized that they sounded stupid calling a street full of people wandering around doing nothing "Rioters". They are calling them protesters again. (I think that might be pushing it though - at this point they don't seem to be more than socializers )
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posted on March 28, 2006 08:18:05 AM
If you had cared to watch the news more regularly you would of known that most likely they had been rioting in the streets and it was just a lull in the action.
But then not seeing the whole picture wouldn't of given you any enjoyment of making fun of fox news now would it.
posted on March 28, 2006 08:32:03 AM If you had cared to watch the news more regularly you would of known that most likely they had been rioting in the streets
In other words, you don't having a clue what was going on, but you just have to stick up for Fox even when you don't have any idea what it is you are talking about.
If you had been watching you would have known they had been covering the possible story for TWO HOURS and nothing had happened yet. No violence, nothing to justify the group at this point being called "rioters".
Next time, before you decide to lecture me on needing "the whole picture" you should try to have at least part of it yourself.
BTW - anyone want to take a bet on how long it takes Ron to say that me calling him on not having back up for his response is somehow the equivalent of "playing victim".
That was what you were going to say isn't Ron? Or after 3 months have you finally come up with a new rebutal when you have no legitimate response.
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posted on March 28, 2006 09:49:58 AM
Hon I forgotten more about world events than you will ever know.
You are the one treading water attempting to grasp at any thing to keep you afloat. And yes once again you play the victim. You haven't a clue of what is going on in France.
posted on March 28, 2006 10:44:15 AM
Come on Ron. Admit it. You did not watch the news this morning and you have no idea what was actually going on at the time.
I do know what is happening in France. I even know that about an hour later things did turn violent however I was watching Fox NEWS this morning not the History Channel and therefore I expect the NEWS broadcaster to ACCURATELY portray what is happening at the time rather than to sensationalize the mundane reality. At the time of the report that I watched and commented on there were only a bunch of people milling about in the street. They were not violent, they did not even have protest signs. They were just a bunch of young people in the street.
And again - I implore you to look up the definition of victim, because it seems that news isn't the only thing that has slipped from your mind.
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posted on March 28, 2006 11:17:04 AM
Doesnt seem to be such a sedate protest to me..
French Riot Police Try to Quell Paris Protest
Tuesday , March 28, 2006
PARIS French riot police armed with batons and shields moved in on a crowd of demonstrators gathered at the Place de la Republic in Paris Tuesday in an attempt to keep a labor protest from turning violent.
In video being broadcast live from the scene, police were seen being bombarded with bottles and debris before moving in and grabbing some of the demonstrators and hauling them away. As the sun went down, a police vehicle with water cannons mounted on top drove in a sprayed down the protesters.
The crowd gathered in the square after a peaceful march through the Paris streets by thousands of people taking part in a nationwide protest against a new youth labor law. Organizers said 3 million people took part in a national strike that resulted in marches in several cities and disrupted airline, train and bus services.
Students and labor unions say the law will erode France's cherished workplace protections. Set to take effect next month, it would let companies fire employees younger than 26 without reason in the first two years on the job.
The police were deployed in Paris and other French cities, as the authorities feared a repeat of the violence at a march last week when suburban youths attacked peaceful demonstrators and officers.
Before the march in Paris, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy met with police and urged them to arrest as many troublemakers as possible.
As public pressure mounted amid the largest demonstrations yet against the controversial employment contract, cracks appeared within the conservative government over the new law which would make it easier for companies to fire new employees.
In a clear break with Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, Sarkozy suggested that the measure be suspended to allow talks with unions.
Paris and other cities deployed thousands of police to prevent a possible resurgence of violence that marred previous demonstrations against the law, that would make it easier for companies to fire young workers.
"We have to defend the rights that were won by our ancestors and which the current government is trying to take away," said Maxime Ourly, a literature student who joined the protesters on Paris' Left Bank.
Even with huge marches under way, Villepin held firm. He told parliament that he was open to talks on employment and possible changes to the law but did not say that he would withdraw it.
"Only in action will we convince all of the French that tomorrow can be better than today," he said, loudly heckled by opposition politicians.
Villepin says the greater flexibility will encourage companies to hire young workers, who face a 22 percent unemployment rate the highest in Western Europe. But as protests have grown, his government and chances of running for the presidency next year have appeared increasingly fragile.
Sarkozy, who is also seeking to be the conservative camp's presidential candidate, told a meeting of lawmakers from the ruling UMP party that the law should not go into force as long as talks to resolve the crisis are still possible, his aides said.
Villepin's sputtering effort at reform underscores the dilemma facing many countries in Europe that have lush jobs protections and social safety nets under threat by competition from fast-rising Asian economies with cheaper labor and fewer workplace protections.
According to police estimates, 31,000 marched Tuesday in the southwestern city of Bordeaux, 28,000 in the southern port city of Marseille, 26,000 in the Alpine city of Grenoble, 17,000 in Lyon and more than 120,000 in nearly a dozen other cities and towns.
Protesters in Paris said they wanted to defend the status quo.
"We are here for our children. We are very worried about what will happen to them," said Philippe Decrulle, an Air France flight attendant. "My son is 23, and he has no job. That is normal in France."
Light rain did not dampen the festive atmosphere, with red union flags and balloons floating over the marchers and stands selling sausages.
"It will be another difficult day. You will be judged on the number of arrests and on your cool," he said.
The State Department advised Americans in France to avoid areas where crowds were expected to gather and to exercise caution, particularly at night.
The strike slowed train, plane, subway and bus services across the country to a fraction of their normal levels. It was the first time that unions had ordered walkouts in solidarity with students spearheading protests against the job contract.
National newspapers were not on sale at newsstands, and radio and television broadcasts were limited. About a third of public school teachers and other education workers also were on strike.
France's top five labor union federations also refused Villepin's invitation to meet Wednesday for talks, insisting that he shelve the contract first.
President Jacques Chirac canceled a planned trip Tuesday to the northern port city of Le Havre "in light of events," his office said.
FOXNews reporter Greg Burke and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
"More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they dont get the New York Times over there.Jay Leno".
posted on March 28, 2006 12:55:03 PM
Bear - from what I was watching later on, it definately did not stay sedate. it was early on which is why I thought the comment was so strange. I had been up for a couple hours watching while they would break to these non eventful scenes and making comments that made me think these guys are really hoping that this turns bad. A few hours later, they got their wish but early on, they were selling it as much more than what it was.
I don't have a problem calling a violent protest a violent protest. (Personally, I never got the point of violent protests. Why would anyone want to listen to the point of view of people that act like spoiled children? Why especially would an employer want to be stuck for life with someone that becomes violent when told they need to do something they don't like.) But I do disagree with trying to forecast bad news.
If your local whether person showed a shot of a cloudy sky and called it a blizzard they would be called a hack so why is it OK to show a shot of a sedate crowd and call it a riot?
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posted on March 28, 2006 03:24:39 PM
The USA is getting their fair share of demonstrations over the illegal alien imigration law they are trying to pass.
It is a hot bed of crap that I can understand both sides of. BUT if you want to come to USA then come legally and I think if they have been here for years and are working productive citizens give them a green card and make them legal?
BUT stop waving the Mexican flag in my country, we are not Mexico........Oh while I am at it learn to SPEAK English. OR go protest in your own country to make it better not try to force us to take just any person just cause they don't like their own coutry. OK off soap box.
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posted on March 28, 2006 04:20:40 PM
Irked - The difference is that the immigration protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful. Los Angeles had 500,000 protestors... and no arrests.
I agree with you on the amnesty program but that's the biggest bone of contention on the issue right now. Some say that these people have been here and worked and contributed to society and they deserve to be recognized for that and given the opportunity to be granted citizenship. Other say that they came here illegally and should not be rewarded.
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posted on March 28, 2006 04:56:10 PM
I wonder why it is that EVERY returning trooper that I meet tells a story 180 degrees away from the "correct" sources.
You'd think at least one of them would screw up and let the "truth" slip out.
posted on March 28, 2006 06:08:18 PM
Whose country is this?
Observing the pro-immigration demonstrations in Phoenix, Los Angeles, Atlanta and elsewhere in recent days, I wondered: whose country is this? Why are many illegal aliens who broke our laws to get here and who continue to break our laws to stay here, demanding that the United States not only allow them to remain, but support them with the taxes of law-abiding citizens? Have we gone mad?
"Thousands Rally For Immigrants' Rights" read a headline about the Phoenix march. What rights? If they are here illegally, they have the right to leave. They have no rights under our Constitution, anymore than I might expect the rights of a Mexican citizen should I choose to live illegally in Mexico. Marchers in Los Angeles carried Mexican flags, which should tell us about their primary allegiance.
There were work stoppages and school walkouts. Every person who left school or job should be required to prove they are in America legally. If they cannot, or will not, they should be deemed illegals and deported.
Immigration is developing into a major political issue. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, made a bid for the votes of illegals and their enablers last week. Clinton promised to fight a bill passed by the House in December and debated this week in the Senate. It would subject illegals, and those who knowingly employ them, to criminal penalties. Invoking biblical justification for her opposition to the House measure, Clinton said it "is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures, because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably Jesus himself."
Democrats have been trying to make inroads on religious language and religious symbolism from the near-monopoly held by Republicans. But, like Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean, who once spoke of the Old Testament book of Job as his favorite New Testament book, Sen. Clinton misfired. In the parable told by Jesus, robbers set upon a man, beat him, and left him "half dead." A priest and a Levite passed by, refusing to help the victim. A Samaritan, despised by the Jews, stopped to help the man and also paid an innkeeper from his own pocket to care for him (Luke 10:30-37).
Notice that Jesus didn't call on a government program for help. As for how this relates to illegal immigration, Jesus never counseled breaking laws.
Here is the real problem with illegal immigration. Many Americans believe we are losing our unique national identity. Census Bureau figures indicate the Washington, D.C., regional population will become "majority minority" in less than a decade. The biggest influx between 2000 and 2004 was among Hispanics, a considerable number believed to be here illegally.
The same demographic profile is reflected, or will soon be reflected, in many other major metropolitan areas and, in the case of California, an entire state. It isn't race or ethnicity that bothers most legal residents of this country. It is our failure to make non-hyphenated Americans out of them. Instead of becoming English-speaking Americans, too many are retaining the language, customs, culture and political agendas of their native lands. No nation can long survive such an invasion without assimilation.
Forty-two states are currently considering bills related to immigration policy, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Nineteen of these states would restrict public benefits for illegals. Congress should act to create some uniformity.
A "guest worker" provision for those already here might work, but there should be restrictions on how long they can stay and a requirement that they return home before applying for legal admittance. Accompanied by much tighter control of our borders, such an approach would be in America's best interests. And could we please put this country's best interests first for a change?
Under no circumstance should there be amnesty for illegals, by whatever name politicians wish to call it. New illegal immigrants should not be allowed in until those already here are either fully and legally assimilated, or sent home when their work permits expire.
Too many politicians appear ready to sell the security of their country for the votes of illegals and their supporters. They must not be allowed to do so. Illegal immigration, along with national security, which are related, should be the top issues in the 2006 and especially 2008 elections.
posted on March 28, 2006 07:39:15 PM
fenix - You have to be able to see it from our prespective too.
You continually CHOOSE to watch Fox News and then repeatedly you complain about them.
It's like 'common sense' would dictate to you that you MIGHT want to watch a different news channel....once that won't be irking you on a regular basis???? lol
OR not.
But to see you, for months on end complaining about something YOU choose to continue doing.....is quite odd. Unless of course, you just do so to continue having something to argue about.
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When I turned the news on....the police in FRANCE were using the water hoses on the rioters.
Funny how so many lefties REFUSE to see many parts of Europe, including France, as socialist countries.....WHEN here they are....for all the world to see, rioting because they want GUARANTEED jobs. LOL LOL LOL
Next our liberal socialists here will be demanding the same thing from BIG Brother.
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At the same time we're watching the riots in France we have all these Mexicans, etc. 500,000 marching with their MEXICAN flags....demanding RIGHTS for illegals here in America.
Every person I overheard talking today...is having a FIT about them NOT thinking violating our immigration laws is wrong....AND demanding they DESERVE anything from our government.
But...the way things are going.....looks like neither side of the aisle has the backbone to uphold OUR LAWS.
posted on March 28, 2006 07:46:29 PM
[i]You continually CHOOSE to watch Fox News and then repeatedly you complain about them.
It's like 'common sense' would dictate to you that you MIGHT want to watch a different news channel....once that won't be irking you on a regular basis???? lol OR not.
But to see you, for months on end complaining about something YOU choose to continue doing.....is quite odd. Unless of course, you just do so to continue having something to argue about..[/i]
Linda, when you hit the nail on the head you get the jackpot!! LOL!! Fenix needs to co-opt her tv life to "get it ON" lets get it on...
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probie dobie alien nation in the box! (dbl stop telling me about my life!!! Why? no very real drama going on? sell it sell it sell it ..)
posted on March 28, 2006 07:59:51 PM
Linda - I have not said anything negative about Fox news on here for at least a month. I didn't even call them on constantly referring to Hillary Clinton, not as Senator Clinton or Hilary Clinton, but as Mrs Clinton. It's funny, I never hear them referring to Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison as "Mrs Hutchinson. Hell, this morning they had Pat Schroeder on. She has not been in office for how many years now, and they refer to her as Former Congresswoman Pat Schroeder.
But let me acknoweledge that I tend to bring up their faults more often than I sing their praises (I REALLY like their Sat morning financial block - In fact it is one of my scheduled redordings every week). I was wondering if you could tell me though... How does that differ from you or Bear and your comments regarding the big 3 news networks or say... the NYT?
As for why I watch Fox... I thought I explained before. I don't watch the news or political programming that I, for the most part, am going to agree with because I learn very little from it. I like to see different sides of issues. If someone believes differently than I do, I don't immediately call them an idiot. I at least want to find out WHY they believe what they do.... then I call them an idiot
Listening to someone that has a different opinion than me does not bother me as listening to badly reported news does. It also bothers me when I see blatant bias during a news broadcast. Much as it bothers you and Bear when CBS or the NYT does the same thing. Give me all the opinions you want during a commentary or an opinion show but during a news report... please just report the news.
;;When I turned the news on....the police in FRANCE were using the water hoses on the rioters.::
And I don't deny that happened later in the day. I even acknowledged earlier in the thread that the protest turned violent and offered no defense whatsoever for the violence. At 6:30-7:00 am this morning when I hear that rather comment though, it was not. And to hear that comment and see a square full of people wandering around aimlessly reminded me of that NBC report with the reporter in the canoe and two guys walking thru the shot ankle deep in water. The image did not fit the story they were trying to sell at the moment.
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posted on March 28, 2006 08:07:41 PM
Dbl - for someone that goes out of their way to pick fights with anyone and everyone under the sun, for no plausible reason, and frequently in no descernable modern langage, I can't believe that you, of all people, are not able to understand enjoying exposure to opinions different than your own.
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posted on March 28, 2006 08:21:40 PM
for at least a month??? LOL....well here's a gold star for your forehead. lol
A WHOLE month? lol
You got my point. It would be MORE comparable to me watching CNN and complaining all the time about them. THAT's why I DON'T watch them. And I don't have to upset myself with every little thing they do. lol
If you want to compare it to what bear and I do....you'd see us posting articles from the NYT....the WashingtonPost. We don't....we post articles from sources we DON'T complain about. See the difference now? lol
So...imo, it's NOT the same thing at all.
But hey...since you enjoy watching Fox News....and then constantly complaining about something they do....go for it girl. I was just pointing out WHY you then get the response that you do.
AND I saw the 'hosing' incident THIS morning around 8-9 AM before I left for the doctors...not later in the day.
posted on March 28, 2006 09:23:52 PM
It looks to me more like Fenix commenting on it rather than complaining about it. I guess it's the way we tend to read others here as we're all different.
posted on March 28, 2006 09:47:28 PM
::AND I saw the 'hosing' incident THIS morning around 8-9 AM before I left for the doctors...not later in the day.::
It's later than 6:30.
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posted on March 28, 2006 09:50:04 PM
::It looks to me more like Fenix commenting on it rather than complaining about it.::
Thank you Kiara... heck, I even said it was one oof the things that I love about Fox.
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posted on March 28, 2006 09:57:28 PM
::. It would be MORE comparable to me watching CNN and complaining all the time about them.::
The difference Linda, is that I was not complaining because they have a different opinion than I do. I was commenting on their misrepresenting the news.
You have almost two hours of reporters and hosts talking about how they are "expecting violence" and "preparing for violence" but that there had been no incidents yet. Then you have a scene from a square where a bunch of people are wandering around aimlessly, no signs, no organization and the forefront of the shot are two guys, one of whom seems to be examining the stitching design on the back of the others jacket and a voice over "as we watch the rioters milling about".
Now that is just flat out sensationalistic misrepresentation and I would call it that if it were on Fox, CNN, BBC or NBC (I don't watch CBS).
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posted on March 28, 2006 10:54:50 PM
quote= It's like 'common sense' would dictate to you that you MIGHT want to watch a different news channel....once that won't be irking you on a regular basis???? lol
LOL Linda , are you taking my name in vane? or should I deny doing anything to anyone especially on a regular basis/ LOL.
I love the news! When they get it right I am happy when they get it wrong I irkmyself - PUN - and when they just down right give away security flaws I want to spit nails. I realize most news channels have their own agenda in tossing out their views of news so I get out the salt shaker and a big glass of water. Believe none of what you are told and maybe only half of what you see and that will get you into trouble enough. You should see me watching the news I talk to the casters like they are right there hearing me--if it were only so.
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posted on March 29, 2006 01:01:58 AM
No fenix...it's not the same. That's what I'm pointing out to you.
Refuse to believe it all you want...but several posters here have pointed this issue out to you. LOL
I see CNN as being biased to the left. So, no, I would not continue watching what I consider THEIR mis-representation of the news either. NO DIFFERENT.
I don't see Fox News report in the AM what happened and they showed film of [from a very different time zone] as mis-representing ANYTHING.
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LOL irked....at me 'taking your name in vain'.
Not directed nor related to you at all. Only fenix when she gets into this I like Fox News...and then complains about them all the time. You're in the clear.
posted on March 29, 2006 01:07:36 AM
"I wonder why it is that EVERY returning trooper that I meet tells a story 180 degrees away from the "correct" sources."
"You'd think at least one of them would screw up and let the "truth" slip out."
LOL Maybe you're missing all the 'corrections' on the correction pages of the NYT and the WA Post.
The post the lie on their front pages then when confronted with the TRUTH of the situation....and they HAVE to acknowledge it....then it's on their correction page....that few probably ever even read.
They have reported being surprise to find out what's being said here by the OLD MSM media....and how different it is from THEIR own personal experiences.
But hey....no matter....if they CLAIM they support our troops....then we're expected to buy that....no matter what the TROOPS are saying.
posted on March 29, 2006 02:49:28 AM
"[i]You continually CHOOSE to watch Fox News and then repeatedly you complain about them."
Well DB I cant blame her for that.I continually read Bigpeepa posts and how he makes an idiot out of himself and repeatedly let him know about it.<shrugs>
posted on March 29, 2006 06:35:19 AM
You know Linda - just out of curiosity - I went back thru the thread to find the last time I made fun of or complained about Fox News.
here is one on January 9th -but that was about a translator. The only thing it had to do with Fox was that they happened to be the network where I heard her.
It actually takes going back to December 15th. That's three and a half months ago. I wouldn't exactly call that "all the time"
But hey...since you enjoy watching Fox News....and then constantly complaining about something they do....go for it girl. I was just pointing out WHY you then get the response that you do.
Come on Linda, you and I both know that Ron would try to pick a fight and then say I was "playing victim" and Dbl would say I watch too much TV if I started a post that said the sky was blue. Those aren't exactly hard trends to pinpoint. Neither one of them have mustered enough imagination to come up with a new tactic in months.
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