fenix03
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posted on April 12, 2006 10:15:28 PM
I was watching Criminal Minds tonight and heard an interesting theory about the cultural aspects of serial killers.
Mexico has far fewer serial serial killers which they attribute to the cultural influence of family. There are 12x more broken families in the US than in Mexico and since serial killers almost always come from broken homes, they have less serial killers.
On the other side of the arguement is that the possibility of a serial killer is ignored because authorities believe they are unlikely because of the culture, like the Russians with Chikatilo (there is a great movie about that search called Citizen X).
Just thought I would share this. thought it could make for interesting conversation (most of you know I have a morbid fascination with serial killers).
BTW - if anyone saw this episode, it was inspired by recent events. Earlier this year Mexican officials arrested a woman that is suspected in nearly 50 murders over 8 years of old women. Even though there were witnesses in some cases that described a woman, police considered it so unlikely that there could be a female serial killer that they thought the killer was a transexual or transvesite.
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posted on April 13, 2006 03:25:52 AM
"Mexico has far fewer serial serial killers which they attribute to the cultural influence of family. There are 12x more broken families in the US than in Mexico and since serial killers almost always come from broken homes, they have less serial killers."
So if the U.S. so bad,why dont the Mexicans stay home??
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dblfugger9
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posted on April 13, 2006 04:12:53 AM
They come to see you classic......... 
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buyhigh
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posted on April 13, 2006 08:38:51 AM
Suspect that in Mexico poorer woman are more subservient and will endure more spousal abuse than in the US. Also they have more children and there is no welfare if they choose to leave the breadwiner of the family so less broken families.
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fenix03
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posted on April 13, 2006 09:09:27 AM
Hey Prof.... want to weigh in on the concept of "subserviant Mexican wives'. 
Buy - I can tell you from my experience with the guys I know from and in Mexico... there is a rather interesting dynamic and subserviant isn't it. They fear the wrath of their wives. They may do whatever they want outside the house but when they get home, Mami runs the show.
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kiara
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posted on April 13, 2006 10:15:23 AM
I'm not sure about the cultural influence determining whether a person will become a serial killer or not.
Among Canada's most notorious are the husband and wife team of Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka and there was a lot of outrage when she was recently released from prison after serving only 12 years. They even killed her little sister.
The biggest case at the moment is Robert Pickton, the creepy pig farmer who threw wild parties on his property and is charged with the murder of many missing women.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/complete_list.html
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bebeboom
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posted on April 13, 2006 10:54:36 AM
Americans are stupid, Canadians are stupid, Mexicans are stupid... I just don't know how I manage to survive and stay sane living among all the stupid people! Help, I see stupid people!
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Bear1949
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posted on April 13, 2006 12:34:57 PM
Mexico and since serial killers almost always come from broken homes, they have less serial killers.
Thats why they come to the US for their killing sprees
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buyhigh
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posted on April 13, 2006 12:49:39 PM
Think there have been multitudes of young Mexican woman killed in and around Juarez in the past few years and the killer still has not been found. They tried to hang it on an American living down there but I do not think they convicted him or even brought him to trial.
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posted on April 13, 2006 01:36:49 PM
Fenix, isn't it more a case of the abused abusing? Or the out of control person grasping the only form of control that's a sure thing (death)? I'd be surprised if serial killing was a cultural thing, wouldn't you? I bet there are many killers in the making out there that torture animals but haven't made the leap to humans.
Kiara, the Homolka thing is rotten. I feel sorry for the province for having to make the deal they did with her before they saw the tapes. How sad for those families. 
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fenix03
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posted on April 13, 2006 02:58:39 PM
Krafty - When the FBI started interviewing captured serial killers they found that almost all of them the exact same childhood - coming from an abusive broken home. (Major exception would be Dahmer). In the Mexican community, divorce is much less common than it is here. Basically it is a difference in the culture that may disallow some of the early triggers.
Bear - spree killers and serial killers are two different animals. The only Mexican serial killer I can think of that was active in the US was "The Railroad Killer".
Buy - There is a new group coming in to investigate the Juarez killings. Although there have been over 300 young women killed in the area since the early 90's, only about 100 of them have major similarities. Everytime someone is arrested for one murder of a young girl they ge investigated for more but so far no one suspect has been pinpointed. Part of the problem is that Juarez is about as dangerous and corrupt a city as you get. You have a cartel made up of former military members warring with longtime factions and both are at odds wwith officials. Two different special investigators have been assigned by Fox to look into the situation but both have eventually resigned. The new group is from a human rights group out of South America (they just announced it about a week and a half ago). BTW - there are two new movies coming out based on the events in Juarez - "The Virgin of Juarez" is going straight to DVD. I don't remember the name of the other one but it stars Jennifer Lopez.
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buyhigh
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posted on April 13, 2006 08:55:20 PM
Richard Martinez, the LA "night stalker" did not come from a broken home so he is another exception to the rule. He was never abused by his parents either.
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fenix03
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posted on April 13, 2006 09:45:56 PM
I think you mean Richard Ramirez. He was not from a broken home but was the youngest in a large family, largely ignored, turned to drugs at 12 under the influence of an older cousin who glorified rape and murder and at the age of 12, witnessed that cousin murder his wife.
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irked
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posted on April 13, 2006 11:04:56 PM
Serial killers, may be more in the US (SO THEY say) but the killings in Mexico or here in US by Mexicans there or here are the same thing of sorts in my opinion. There are gangs and drug related killings it is just that they kill for different reasons. There may be dozens of serial killers in all other countries and they just keep it quiet... A killer is a killer, whether you kill one or 50 it is wrong and no matter the reason it is still wrong.
What would you consider a terrorist a serial killer, gang, or just what?
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stonecold613
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posted on April 14, 2006 08:28:51 AM
Cereal Killers
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fenix03
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posted on April 14, 2006 08:50:57 AM
A terrorist is a terrorist.
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buyhigh
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posted on April 14, 2006 09:04:02 AM
Yes it was Ramierez and you are correct about his history. However what one observes, however horrible at age 12 still should not turn one into a serial killer. At age 12 a person has learned right from wrong and normally should be repulsed by behavior such as Ramierez witnessed. I believe he had 1 sister and 3 brothers which in Latino families is not all that many.
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kiara
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posted on April 14, 2006 09:15:07 AM
Wikipedia has a list of serial killers by country and the name and info of each killer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country
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fenix03
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posted on April 14, 2006 09:37:32 AM
Buy - he was the youngest of six.
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buyhigh
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posted on April 14, 2006 10:58:03 AM
OK there was 1 more child since I thought 4 siblings which made for 5. Not the least bit unusual in 1st generation Latino families. I know a number of Mexican Americans who came from large families plus a number of ones from European Catholic families who have more than 5 siblings and have fond memories of their childhood.
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fenix03
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posted on April 14, 2006 02:28:54 PM
Only a guy could say that 6 kids is not a large family
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