posted on May 5, 2006 08:03:11 AM
Ariz. Posse to Arrest Illegal Immigrants
By AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writer Thu May 4, 6:49 PM ET
PHOENIX - A posse of 100 volunteers and sheriff's deputies will patrol the Phoenix area and arrest any illegal immigrants, the county sheriff said.
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The group likely will be deployed across parts of Maricopa County by the weekend, Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Wednesday.
Volunteers will be drawn from the department's 3,000-member posse, whose members are trained and are often former deputies.
"It's important to send the message out to stay in Mexico and don't come roaming around here hoping you're going to get amnesty," said Arpaio, who in years past gained notoriety for putting inmates on chain gangs and issuing them striped uniforms and pink underwear.
Arpaio's deputies have already arrested about 120 illegal immigrants using a new state smuggling law.
"We're going to arrest any illegal who violates this new law," he said. "I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride into the county jail."
Under the law — as interpreted by the Maricopa County attorney — illegal immigrants can be arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to smuggle themselves into the country. The law's authors have said they intended it to be used to prosecute smugglers, not the immigrants being smuggled.
Lawyers for nearly 50 undocumented immigrants charged with conspiracy to commit human smuggling have filed motions to have the charges dismissed.
A Los Angeles attorney brought into the case last week by the Mexican Consul General's Office in Phoenix plans to file another motion claiming Maricopa County Attorney officials are violating state and federal law because it's the federal government's job to control illegal immigration.
Both motions are to be argued in county court on May 23.
Will be happy to see the motions in favor or the Sheriff, hoping it is not some liberal weeny.
posted on May 5, 2006 08:15:49 AM
I wondfer what the people of his area are going to think when the country jail overruns their budget and has to release local prisoners because of overcrowding because the sheriff has reinterpreted the law. Makes a good sound bite and newspaper article but not exactly logical thing to do.
Of course the class action lawsuit for false imprisonment for ignoring proper procedure and reinterpreting a smuggling law to fit his own political purpose isn't going to help much either.
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posted on May 5, 2006 09:45:59 AM
Dbl - how much time do you spend coming to this board just to see if I have posted anything?
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posted on May 5, 2006 01:06:12 PM
Joe Arpaio is a grandstanding buffoon. Watch for the fallout over this when he fills up his jail with people looking for work, or going to or coming home from work rather than the citizen criminals who are within easy reach but don't draw near so much national attention.
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posted on May 5, 2006 02:14:40 PM
fenix you really do flatter yourself. Typical sycophant sociopath. I see the other little dingle berry needs to prove something to me again. Fat chance on that. I didnt even read the posted poetry. Still, she claims she doesnt follow me around. One post in a week, and my little rejected fanatic is right on it. Poor thing.
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posted on May 5, 2006 02:22:41 PM
Do you actually have an opinion on the topic at hand Dbl or do you just want to beg for more of my attention?
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posted on May 5, 2006 02:33:40 PM
Isn't this the same Sheriff that houses his prinoner inmates in tent cities, surrounded by chain link fences topped with razor wire, rather than cushy, air conditioned buildings? I'd bet that with the way that he runs his inmate population housing that he is able to stretch his budget purty far and to my knowledge there are no laws stating what sort of food are to be fed to prisoners. He could just feed the illegals, tortillas and water if he wanted to and throw in a pinto bean once in awhile too.
posted on May 5, 2006 02:38:19 PM
80% of the detainees in the Maricopa County jail system are not prisoners. They are being held for trial for various reasons and haven't been convicted of anything. Only 20% are convicted inmates. Arpaio's nothing but a publicity seeking blowhard.
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posted on May 5, 2006 02:45:08 PM
Detainee, convict, inmate, prisoner, whatever. The fact is that as the administrator of the jail system does he not have the right to house them as he sees fit and/or whatever is within his budget?
posted on May 5, 2006 02:49:14 PM
Yes, pi, and also the one who made the prisoners wear pink shorts. LOL That was because they kept stealing them. He said he figured they wouldn't want to steal pink ones. And they didn't. LOL
Yep...we need MORE police, sheriff's JUST LIKE HIM.
They whine and snivel about having to eat P & J sandwiches too....poor babies....guess they think they're entitled to steak. lol
I hope he gets ALL the support he needs to continue on....and that the whining liberals don't see not getting steak as being 'cruel and unusual punishment'.
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Edited to add....there was also another sheriff just like this one....TOUGH on criminals.
He was on TV for a while and the inside of his jails were painted pink. lol
The show had the prisoners give the reason for them being locked up....and how it affected their lives.
Women who were in there for allowing a supposted boyfriend to talk them into SELLING drugs too. Crying about how they missed their children....oh such sad stories....like they NEVER ONCE thought about that before they committed their crimes.
His name was something alone the line of Sheriff Hagel....????
posted on May 5, 2006 03:42:47 PM
You mean when he fills his jail with criminals for ILLEGALLY coming into the US profe?
Burglars look for work to, so they shouldn't be locked up either?
Fenix, that maybe the good people of Maricopa county are willing to pay a little more as long as the criminals are being locked up.
posted on May 5, 2006 03:48:38 PM
Ron - I thought the public was upset about spending tax payers dollars to support illegals. Now why would they support.. using taxpayer dollars to support illegals?
They are supposed to hand them over to INS for deportment, instead this sheriff is scoffing at the mandate and instead housing prisoners at the tax payers expense for charges they will not be able to sustain.
To me, that comes across as nothing more than attention getting grandstanding.
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posted on May 5, 2006 03:55:46 PM
Ron....people like fenix and the profe call it 'grandstanding'...etc.
What THEY love is that when these illegals ARE picked up...and INS is called....the INS has just been releasing them BACK into the general public....NOT making any effort to deport them.
So...now we see a sheriff who's ON to THEIR GAME....and he's going to hold them for deportation.
Good for him. AND if the people in that area are serious enough about these illegals NOT being deported...as I would be....they WILL be MORE than willing to pay higher taxes...down the road ...to have it done as it should have been done BY LAW...a long time ago.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on May 5, 2006 04:02:39 PM
Imo, when the people who elected that democratic governor of AZ find out she speaks out of both sides of her mouth....they might just decide to re-call her too. As CA did with Gov. Davis.
Here in order to bash this President and blame him for the illegal problem in her state....she declared a 'state of emergency' so she could get additional FEDERAL funding to help with their illegal problem.
So then....their legislators pass a bill to be tougher on illegals.....and what does this democrat do????
She VETOES the bill. Keeps it from passing.
That, imo, is a typical double talking democrat.
Wants to pretend she can appear so tough on illegals....then won't do anything about penalizing them....deporting them.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
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edited again to add....that not only did this gov. veto the illegal issue...but SPEAKING ENGLISH TOO.
Looks like most anything the legislatures vote FOR....she vetos....even gun control laws.
Here the people FALSELY believed she'd represent THEIR wishes....she vetos a ton on things.
And Gov. Richardson, another democrat did just about the same thing in New Mexico.....asks for Federal emergency funds....and then does LITTLE about the illegal issue.
Maybe this sheriff should run for Gov. of AZ....start a new breed of 'get tough on illegals'.
posted on May 5, 2006 04:30:49 PMciting opposition from police agencies that want immigration arrests to remain the responsibility of the federal government.
Probably because she and and the police agencies realize that just like the voters in every other state, when the bond issue came up to pay for the additional jails, staff and funding the voters of Arizona would overturn it they would be stuck trying to deal with new laws set forth that they don't actually want to have to fund.
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posted on May 5, 2006 07:34:48 PM
Fenix you should read up what happens to the guests of the sheriff.
It costs an average of 40 cents per meal per prisoner
They have to pay that back, also they work on chain gangs doing road work and other chores, so savings to the county.
This guy is costing tax payers not much of anything actually and for all his grandstandng has been sheriff since 1993. People who actually live there must like him.
also fenix your analogy of using tax payer dollars is wrong, as criminals behind bars I like most people feel that is an acceptable cost, however them feeding off the welfare system is not.
Ron
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posted on May 5, 2006 08:29:28 PM
Ron - what I find funny is that in one thread, Linda is complaining about tax payer dollars being used to pay for Moussaoui but here she states that she would be more than happy to pay extra to pay to imprison these people. Either we have a rather dramatic case of hypocrisy or rather strange set of priorities.
As for your meal cost - I think even you would agree that those are the least of the costs involved. Also, since these are not convicted criminals but rather people being held in waiting for trial, they cannot be put onto chain gangs or into any other type of service so they are costing considerably more than 1.20 a day.
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posted on May 5, 2006 10:05:42 PM
No fenix....sigh.....
It's your inability to grasp the difference in how this sheriff is keeping costs down.
Living in tent cities doesn't require the ususal expenses of a prison/jail. Like heating/cooling/upkeep/janitors/etc
As Ron has TRIED to point out to you....but you're just not 'getting' this sheriff does EVERYTHING the least expensive way.
Not at ALL the same thing as being in a prison that cost millions to build....and all the other expenses that incurs. lol
This sheriff is doing it the RIGHT way....and making them WORK - thus FREE LABOR saving the community money they'd normally spend on paying workers...union salaries lol.
Totally different....not the same at all.
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And on the Gov. of AZ's EXCUSE....IF you read the whole thing...the police don't AGREE WITH HER. LOL
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
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posted on May 5, 2006 10:08:43 PM
I think you are underestimating this sheriff's ability to budget prisoner costs. Read up on him and besides if they allow the law to stand as is, that these people are smugglers, then he has the resources budgeted for their captivity.
posted on May 6, 2006 05:03:10 AM
Burglars look for work to, so they shouldn't be locked up either?
oh I dunno Ron, how can ya arrest a guy looking for work? Its better then being on welfare-after all they're stealing from the government,so whats the difference.At least burglars are willing to work....so rare these days.
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posted on May 6, 2006 05:28:47 AMYou mean when he fills his jail with criminals for ILLEGALLY coming into the US profe?
Yup, that's what I mean. Instead of filling his jail with violent offenders, which Phoenix has plenty of. A while back, he went on one of his publicity stunts and pulled 60 of his deputies off of other cases to go on a hooker roundup. He got lots of attention over that one too, filling his jail with prostitutes....too bad the 12 unsolved homicides in the county that existed at the same time didn't get the attention they deserved.
By the way, the tent city thing is Arpaio hot air too. The AZ Dept of Corrections has used tents for many years. Arpaio once again is claiming credit for something he didn't originate.
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posted on May 6, 2006 05:30:29 AM
::Living in tent cities doesn't require the ususal expenses of a prison/jail. Like heating/cooling/upkeep/janitors/etc::
LInda I think maybe the problem is that you are not aware of the fact that only 14% of the prisoners in Maricopa County Jail are in the tent city. The tent city holds 1000 prisoners, there are another 6000 that are in traditional facilities.
::As Ron has TRIED to point out to you....but you're just not 'getting' this sheriff does EVERYTHING the least expensive way.::
I get that the Sherriff gets off on feeding green bologna to inmates and is proud that it costs more to feed a dog than he pays to feed his inmates Linda. I completely understand that. What you don't understand is that he cannot make them work until they have actually been convicted of something. They do not yet have a debt to society Linda. They have only been charged with an offense, not convicted so they cannot be put out on the "chain gangs" so they are not making money for anyone. They are unneccesarily costing the tax payers money.
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posted on May 6, 2006 05:38:53 AM
::And on the Gov. of AZ's EXCUSE....IF you read the whole thing...the police don't AGREE WITH HER. LOL::
Tell you what Linda...
Here is the whole thing for everyone to read. Why don't bold for me the part that supports that claim. I assume that that LOL means that you are quite confident in the claim so by all means, please show us where in this article it says anything about the police not agreeing with her.
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PHOENIX — Gov. Janet Napolitano vetoed a bill that would have criminalized the presence of illegal immigrants in Arizona, citing opposition from police agencies that want immigration arrests to remain the responsibility of the federal government.
The proposal would have expanded the state's trespassing law to let local authorities arrest illegal immigrants anywhere in Arizona, the nation's busiest illegal entry point. Congress also had considered criminalizing the presence of illegal immigrants in the country.
In a letter to lawmakers, Napolitano said she opposes automatically turning all immigrants who sneaked into the state into criminals and that the bill provided no funding for the new duties.
"It is unfortunate that the Legislature has once again ignored the officials who are most directly affected by illegal immigration and instead has passed yet another bill that will have no effect on the problem but that will impose an unfunded burden on law enforcement," Napolitano wrote Monday.
Supporters said the bill would have given Arizona a chance to get a handle on its vast border problems by providing a second layer of enforcement to catch the tens of thousands of immigrants who slip past federal agents each year.
Republican Sen. Barbara Leff of Paradise Valley, who proposed the bill, said the governor has painted herself as tough on illegal immigration by declaring a state of emergency at Arizona's border, but has taken little action to back up her rhetoric.
"I don't think the governor wants to do anything about this problem," Leff said. She said the bill would have been a means to detain illegal immigrants until federal agents can pick them up.
The Democratic governor, accused by her Republican critics of being soft on immigration, has vetoed other immigration bills from the GOP-majority Legislature within the past year, including a proposal to give police the power to enforce federal immigration laws.
While immigrants provide the economy with cheap labor, Arizona spends tens of millions of dollars each year in health care and education costs for illegal workers and their families. An estimated 500,000 of the state's population of about 6 million are illegal immigrants.
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posted on May 6, 2006 12:29:00 PM
I'm a pretty good reader and I don't see anything in that article that claims the police don't agree with the governor. But without too much effort at all I did find this article among many that shows that lots of Arizona's law enforcement agencies do agree with her. Maybe you were confusing the MinuteMen or whatever they call themselves with a legitimate law enforcement agency.
olice officials also criticized the enforcement plan for not providing extra money to arrest the tens of thousands of people who sneak into Arizona, the country's busiest illegal-entry point. A separate plan moving through the Legislature would provide communities with $30 million for immigration efforts."Thirty-million dollars is a drop in the bucket," said Eric Edwards, executive director of the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police, which opposes the plan.
Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada, whose office has 50 miles of border, said the public's frustration with illegal immigration is driving state lawmakers to make changes, even though immigration is a federal responsibility. Estrada said some lawmakers want to shift the focus to police agencies. "That's a cop-out," he said.
Pima County Attorney Barbara LaWall said in a letter to Napolitano that the bill "creates a totally unfunded mandate which would unconscionably drain significant resources needed to protect the public safety of this community."
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posted on May 6, 2006 12:34:55 PM
From the same AZ Star article,
Edwards, leader of the group representing 87 police chiefs, said arresting landscapers, housekeepers and other immigrants who are trying to earn an honest living isn't the best use of law enforcement resources. That could detract from the role of local police in cracking down on thefts, violence and other crimes, Edwards said.
Law enforcement agencies in AZ overwhelmingly support Napolitano's veto. There are a few who don't, but the vast majority do, plain and simple. Arpaio and the Governor are famous for going around and around, and this is just another way for him to be a pain in the ass for her while pumping up his ridiculous tough-guy reputation.
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posted on May 6, 2006 01:12:49 PM
Obviously the people of Maricopa county like him. 56% of the vote his last election and has been sheriff for 13 years must be doing something right.
Most Police Chiefs are your typical government worker, "it's someone else's job."
posted on May 6, 2006 02:56:14 PM
fenix, you are so far up every celebrity's butt: news, sports, tv, movies, anything and everything remote from you -- who the hell needs an opinion when you seem to have them all down pat? You think u know everything about every single thing too bad u you have no time to examine your own pathetic life.
