posted on June 7, 2006 11:54:22 PM new
ABC news is reporting that the army has confirmed that Zarqawi was killed in an attack tonight.
The other two networks are showing their regular programming.
Fox News is airing a replay of H&C
Nothing on CNN either
I can honestly say I am surprised if ABC has really scooped everyone and that ever as they are bouncing between correspondents no one is picking up on what is a huge story....
Nothing on the wires either...
Wow - this is just strange.
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posted on June 8, 2006 12:36:53 AM new
CNN and Fox just broke in with it... nothing on NBC or CBS yet... oops... MSNBC now has it.
Looks like ABC scooped everyone.
Anyway... great news.
I would expect some pretty hideous insurgent attacks in the next couple days in retaliation but hopefully the the loss of his leadership will help cutdown on recruitment in the long run.
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posted on June 8, 2006 06:20:31 AM new
Dems Irked Over Zarqawi's Death
Grassroots Democrats weighing in on several popular liberal web sites Thursday morning said that they were troubled by reports that al Qaeda's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, had been killed in a U.S. air strike.
Reacting to the news, one visitor to the Daily Kos complained that using military force to kill Zarqawi "violates everything my America stands for."
"It violates the rule of law and invokes the rule of force in what should be a criminal, not a military, matter."
Another Daily Kos'er was irked because he thought the news would benefit President Bush:
"No doubt Karl Rove will have the Sock Puppet President acting as if he personally dropped the bomb that killed that jackass," he wrote. "But other than a couple of photo ops of Bush looking cocky, it does nothing because two more tin-plated Zarqawi's will pop up."
A third Kos poster suggested that there was little difference between the top al Qaeda terrorist and the leader of the free world, writing: "Now [that] we are rid of one murderous tyrant - how about the removal of another one-believed hiding in a safe-house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?"
Over at the Democratic Underground, reaction to news of Zarqawi's death was also negative:
"Convenient too that this would happen now," complained one DU'er: "Guess we should just all forget about that Haditha mess, the fact that we are approaching 2,500 dead and the fact that our economy is in big trouble."
Another DU poster said that killing the al Qaeda chief really wasn't such a big deal, insisting: "Zarqawi was a fringe group of al Qaeda, and definitely NOT responsible for the bulk of the insurgency and civil war now occurring in Iraq. Any gains that they hope to receive will be short-lived when reality strikes home."
posted on June 8, 2006 07:03:51 AM new
Oh Christ.... What a bunch of bullsh*t. There is just something wrong with a "news" organization that has to seek out the most radical statements they can find and then attribute them to an entire party. How desperate do you have to be to take the rantings of a few nutjobs and try to pass it off as news.
Sorry Bear but the only thing that story accomplished showing in full glory what desperate inflamatory partisan piece of crap NewsMax truly is.
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posted on June 8, 2006 07:23:07 AM new
So Fenix you're saying that there arent any demos bashing the death of Zarqawi on the Kos & at the Democratic Underground sites?
Would you still be calling Newsmax a desperate inflamatory partisan piece of crap if a differnet "source" had reported the same info?
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on June 8, 2006 08:30:13 AM new
Bear,
You should be hoping as I am that Zarqawi's Death is the turning point that starts bringing our TROOPS HOME STARTING TODAY.
But instead you show no support for our Brave Troops and waste your time with BULL ROAR. Your so typical of what I call PHONY NEOCONS
COME AND JOIN THE GREAT AMERICAN PROTEST ON NOVEMBER 7th 2006.
posted on June 8, 2006 08:59:31 AM new
No Bear - What I am saying is that NewMax went oin search of the most inflamatory statements they could find and thru their title implied that it represented the opninions of of a much larger group and had any source done the same thing I absolutely would have called them on it. It's crap journalism.
But you know that.
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posted on June 8, 2006 09:01:44 AM new
LOL!!! Bear, you really have proven yourself stupid time and time again.
"So Fenix you're saying that there arent any demos bashing the death of Zarqawi on the Kos & at the Democratic Underground sites?"
That is the same ideology that says there are Republicans who wish Hitler was still around (just ask the Bush Crime Family). Sure, they exist, but you are merely showing the smallest fraction of 1% of the population, who are probably not even Democrats.
Talk about continuing your losing streak of providing credible information...
But, for the sake of debate... Would Zarqawi have even been a factor in Iraq if we didn't start this illegal war? Zarqawi and his supporters were the direct result of US military boots being placed in Iraq to begin with.
It is ironic that the Bush Administration celebrates this as a victory, but wouldn't question any of Bin Laden's Saudi family prior to flying them out of the USA days after 9/11 (when nobody else could fly). Hell, our local police will take statements from family members for a domestic dispute without violence, but to expect the Bush Administration to do the same when thousands of Americans died is unpatriotic in the eyes of the neocons. What is the priority for the Bush Administration? It's not protecting Americans, it is looking for the next media frenzy to make them look good.
Good job to our military. They are the real heroes, putting their lives on the line. It is too bad they are doing it for the wrong reasons though.
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posted on June 8, 2006 09:28:07 AM new
there are always a few nutcases in any group ......... blah, blah,blah
All the bs aside, the fact remains that a simple search will pull up no shortage of lefties denigrating their country, cheering our enemies, and hoping for disasters to occur that will advance their agendas. The other side of the coin is far different.
posted on June 8, 2006 10:18:02 AM new
You have to be kidding bigdopa. You and Rustydumbo are as stupid as a dead fish. Yes, it is great that Zarqawi is dead. But if you think for a second that an immediate pullout is warranted, you are as foolish as you appear. There are still plenty of terrorists out there that need to be dealt with.
Talk about continuing your losing streak of providing credible information
You should talk rustydumbo. You have yet to have any credible information posted to these boards.
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posted on June 8, 2006 10:46:25 AM new
Fenix, obviously I am elated at the news of Zarqawi's demise at the hands of US forces. But the truth is (and you know it) that the liberal media and leftist bloggers will be decrying either:
1) the manner in which is was killed
2) it will really wont have an effect on the war
3) start dragging out the Sheehan's...
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LOL!!! Bear, you really have proven yourself stupid time and time again.
But not as stupid as your parents were in creating you.
How Did Air America Greet the Zarqawi Story?
Posted by Tim Graham on June 8, 2006 - 10:51.
Air America Radio seemed rather unimpressed by the Zarqawi story out of Iraq this morning. I caught some of the opening minutes of the Stephanie Miller show today. They were playing clips of the Rose Garden Bush remarks and just mocking his accent. "He's extra-twangy today," mocked Miller. The show's impressionist started doing Bush in a William Buckley-esque Connecticut accent, implying the Texas talk is all phony.
Then they began joking "we're auditioning for a new boogey-man," as if Zarqawi was a phantom in a closet. (A caller later suggested Simon Cowell host the boogey-man auditions.) By 9:15, the show shifted back to automatic pilot, mocking Gary Bauer's appearance on Fox with John Gibson on opposition to "gay marriage." (They also mocked Tony Perkins on the same subject on Hardball.)
Miller also suggested at one point that perhaps the picture of Zarqawi's corpse might reveal "smoke from dry ice," as if the U.S. was suspiciously delaying their victory for ultimate political gain?
http://newsbusters.org/node/5754
Sawyer and Clarke Agree: Zarqawi Death Not a Major Blow to Terrorism
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on June 8, 2006 - 10:37.
Interviewed this morning on GMA, Richard Clarke - former White House advisor, turned author and bitter Bush-administration critic - scoffed at the significance of the killing of Zarqawi. Host Diane Sawyer was happy to second Clarke's emotion.
Sawyer: "First question has got to be this morning, is it any safer in Iraq and will the war end any sooner?"
Clarke: "Well, unfortunately the answer is no. This man was a terrible man. He was a symbol of terrorism. He was the face of terrorism, the only real name we knew of an insurgent leader in Iraq. But he commanded only a few hundred people out of tens of thousands involved in the insurgency. And so, unfortunately for the loved ones of troops over in Iraq, this is not going to mean a big difference."
Sawyer was only too happy to run with Clarke's lead: "And he was not the one targeting the most American troops. Those are the I.E.D.'S by other terrorists, right?"
Clarke: "That's right. What we can say about Zarqawi is he was responsible for many of the big attacks on things like the U.N. Headquarters, the Red Cross headquarters, the hotels in Jordan and he personally was involved in beheadings. But in terms of what's making life difficult for American troops, these improvised explosive devices by the side of the road, that really wasn't Zarqawi. And it's not going to make a big difference in the insurgency at this point."
Yet more negative spin from Sawyer: "And again, for the Iraqi people, as we pointed out earlier, just this morning there was another car bombing. It was in a marketplace in Iraq, 19 people died, more than 40 were wounded."
And in perhaps the most negative MSM spin yet, Sawyer added this: "So for overall terrorism against the U.S., it's, again, not a major effect."
A real Clarke-GMA love in, with one mutual goal - downplaying the importance of Zarqawi's death.
http://newsbusters.org/node/5752
U.S. Reporters Cheered the Zarqawi News? Obviously Not
Posted by Tim Graham on June 8, 2006 - 08:45.
Early AP dispatches from the press conference Nouri al-Maliki held this morning to announce the death of Zarqawi said these words were "drawing loud applause from reporters" there.
That didn't sound typical, and NBC's Richard Engel was more precise on Today this morning: "Spontaneous joy from Iraqi reporters gathered in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone." American reporters don't cheer American victories. They suggest this won't mean much in the long run.
NBC's Special Report around the president's remarks included analysis from Tim Russert -- in reality and in tone, the Democratic response. Russert threw several pitchers of cold water on the good news, saying people should remember the euphoria after capturing Saddam Hussein, and things didn't change much.
http://newsbusters.org/node/5749
Good on Imus: Catches Boettcher Spinning Bombing as Response to Zarqawi Killing
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on June 8, 2006 - 08:16.
Good on Don Imus! On today's 'Imus in the Morning,' he called NBC reporter Mike Boettcher on his attempt to spin a bombing in Baghdad as a "not good" response to the killing of Zarqawi.
Here's how it went down. Boettcher was reporting from Baghdad and had this to say:
Boettcher: "Well, good morning, Don. We have the response here right now [to the Zarqawi killing], it’s not good. There have been, there has been another bombing. Thirteen people are dead in central Baghdad. So that is apparently the current reaction from the insurgents to Zarqawi's death."
Imus: "How do we know that's a reaction to that, Mike?"
Boettcher started to back down: "We don't know for sure, Don. You’re right, you’re absolutely right."
Imus: "Yeah. I mean, this could be another bombing. They try to blow the place up every day, so, but go ahead, Mike."
A by-now abject Boettcher: "No, you’re absolutely right."
Bravo, Imus, for calling Boettcher on this. Would Matt Lauer or another NBC host have done the same, or would they have uncritically bought into Boettcher's spin?
http://newsbusters.org/node/5748
ABC Quickly Brings In Peacenik Dad to Condemn Zarqawi Killing (Updated)
Posted by Tim Graham on June 8, 2006 - 07:22.
It's sad that within minutes of announcing Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's death, the network morning shows were already carrying criticism of the Bush administration. Not only did NBC invite Sen. Joe Biden to attack Bush incompetence (funny day for that!), ABC's Bill Weir reminded the audience that Zarqawi beheaded American Nicholas Berg, and then replayed Berg's left-wing dad saying at the time that he had no desire for his son's killers to be killed. Weir then reported that he spoke to Berg's father this morning, and he condemned the Zarqawi killing as part of an endless cycle of retribution.
UPDATE: MRC's Brian Boyd has the transcript, and it should be noted that Weir also found a more traditional victim's relative response:
Bill Weir: "We want to return now to the top story of the morning: the death of Zarqawi, of course. And beyond the political there is also the personal in this story. And Zarqawi's death, special significance for the family members of his victims. Among them British engineer Ken Bigley. Zarqawi's group captured Bigley in 2004, held him for weeks and then later beheaded him. This morning, we reached Bigley's brother, Paul, via telephone and he had this to say about Zarqawi."
Paul Bigley: "Initial reaction is the world has rid itself of a very evil person. Second reaction, I think, being a Christian, you know, one shouldn't be very happy about somebody's death but in this particular case quite frankly he rot in hell. That's where the man is."
Weir then turned to "Another of Zarqawi's victims, American Nick Berg. Who can forget the most chilling video of all. You can see Zarqawi standing behind Nick Berg. Zarqawi believed to have personally beheaded him." Then, he showed old footage of an interview with Berg's peacenik father:
Charlie Gibson: "I wonder as you watch this now happening in repetition, if there are feelings of a desire in you for revenge?"
Michael Berg: "I would like these people to be stopped, I would like them to be arrested, I would like them to receive justice. I would not want to see any of them killed and I don't want revenge. I don't want to personally attack those people."
Weir added: "And we did speak with Nick Berg's father this morning and he says he takes no satisfaction in news of Zarqawi's death there. In fact, he denounces the killing as yet another death in a never ending cycle of retribution and death there as well. And he has been a rather vocal, harsh critic of the Bush administration for, you know, invading this country in the first place and he expressed that again this morning."
http://newsbusters.org/node/5747
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on June 8, 2006 10:56:49 AM new
zarqawi dead, that is fantastic news. When the bomb hit the building I hope it didn't kill him right off but that it ripped his guts open and he died spitting blood.
Now, to send the insurgents a message and to deny zarqawi his 40 virgins, the people that have his body need to cut off his head and his balls.
posted on June 8, 2006 11:08:31 AM new
This is #*!@ people, why can't we all just agree that the death of Zarqawi was a wonderful thing! Instead some here have to immediately draw lines and start with the crap of accusing the " Other " side of bashing the death of this monster. Some seem to rejoice in a divided America, and strive to keep the lines drawn.
Knock it off Piss Ants!!
posted on June 8, 2006 11:30:19 AM new
Those are my sentiments also, Bebo.
But seriously, they really do need to cut the sob's head off and make it publicly known. This needs to be done because this is the custom of these people. It shows that the person killed is thought of as being nothing but a pig and it will send the same message to the rest of his followers.
posted on June 8, 2006 01:03:15 PM new
Ok, let's see... according to BearPorn, Newsbusters reported, "Air America Radio seemed rather unimpressed by the Zarqawi story out of Iraq this morning. I caught some of the opening minutes of the Stephanie Miller show today. They were playing clips of the Rose Garden Bush remarks and just mocking his accent..."
Fact: Stephanie Miller doesn't work for Air America Radio. Air America Radio doesn't broadcast the Stephanie Miller show. As far as I can tell, Stephanie Miller hasn't even been a guest on an Air America show.
How do I know this? First I listen to Air America, and have never once heard of Stephanie Miller. Second, I went to the Air America website... no mention of Stephanie Miller with the exception of their web search engine. Third, I went to Stephanie Millers website and she is part of Jones Radio Broadcasting.
A credible reporter would have done some fact checking before they made such statements. But then again... this "newsbusters" blog site is nothing but a crackpot of neocon freaks, reaching for anything they can get their hands on. It reminds me of the opposite side of the fence that is reporting that Laura Bush is living in some hotel in Washington DC because George Bush is having an affair with Condi. Neither site has any credibility, both adding layers and layers of crap to gossip to mold it into a story. It does little except get people like BearPorn all bent out of shape, clawing for anything.
"Newsbusters" has taken over for the unsuccessful, "Ghostbusters"... the only difference is that Newsbusters didn't have the budget to hire Ray Parker Jr. to do the spoof of the Ghostbusters theme song. Either way, they all live in a fantasy world.
posted on June 8, 2006 01:25:21 PM new
I'll also add that you are going to see speculation from every possible angle... You'll see the typical Al Qaeda rhetoric, you'll see the Bush Administration's propaganda, you'll see an opinion that Zarqawi's death isn't significant and you'll see another that it is. People will play up Zarqawi's death, and others will down play it. These are all opinions, and as such are not based in facts. Only time will tell whether Zarqawi's end is significant or not.
A classic example of propaganda hard at work was how hard the US government worked last month when they released the Zarqawi video where his gun jammed and he grabbed the hot barrel. They worked so hard to make him out as a bumbling idiot, but today they hold his significance much higher because he was killed.
posted on June 8, 2006 01:52:16 PM new
Mags - i wish I knew too. When I saw the neews last night I thought it was great. I kept going channel to channel trying to get more info and thought that this might be one of those rare threads where both sides agreed that something postive had happened.
That's what I get for thinkin'
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posted on June 8, 2006 01:53:03 PM new
At least we agree that bigdopa and rustydumbo are bumbling idiots.
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posted on June 8, 2006 02:27:58 PM new
I just read about this Fenix. Thanks!
Good points, Rusty. My first reaction was "so what?". I agree this will be played to the hilt by all sides, but also wonder if it will have any real affect in the long run. Same as if Osama was killed - so what?
posted on June 8, 2006 02:47:42 PM new
Bear taking my name in vane I see. LOL
Anyway it is good this insurgent is dead, dead dead..... I was watching when they broke in last night early AM here and the new leader of Iraq came on and announced it to Iraq and all in aucience went nuts with applause so you see the Irag's definately are happy and feel it may be step in right direction of getting peace between the factions. Jordan is very happy too as Zarqawi was wanted there for murder of his own people also.
SO it does not make a difference if we are happy or not because it long run it affects Iraq hopefully the most and THEN we can be happy if we can start pulling out some time soon but that remains to be seen. At least maybe now they won't be finding boxes of heads all over the place but that may be a little too hopeful right off.
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posted on June 8, 2006 02:48:11 PM new
Taking out Abu Musab al Zarqawi will create a temporary power vacuum within al Qaeda's Iraqi C3 so you might see a slight reduction in activity aimed at creating tension between Sunnis and Shias. I was interesting to read of the large volume of documents discovered in the subsequent raid by ground forces - could be helpful intel on al Qaeda's strategy and contacts in the region.
posted on June 8, 2006 04:25:17 PM new
When you say it's the "Left" making negative noises about the death.. you are using that broad brush again, Bear. Anyone can find negativity if they go looking for it. I haven't heard one Leftie on this board or any others that I frequent being negative about the death of Zarqawi.
posted on June 8, 2006 06:34:35 PM newAS I WAS SAYING
Democrats call Zarqawi killing a stunt
By Amy Fagan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 8, 2006
4:09 p.m.
Some Democrats, breaking ranks from their leadership, today said the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention from an unpopular and hopeless war.
"This is just to cover Bush's [rear] so he doesn't have to answer" for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat. "Iraq is still a mess -- get out."
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, said Zarqawi was a small part of "a growing anti-American insurgency" and that it's time to get out.
"We're there for all the wrong reasons," Mr. Kucinich said.
Officially, Democratic leaders reacted positively to the news and praised the troops that successfully targeted al Qaeda's leader in Iraq with 500-pound bombs at his safe house 30 miles from Baghdad.
"This is a good day for the Iraqi people, the U.S. military and our intelligence community," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
President Bush said that yesterday's killing of the 39-year-old Jordanian-born terrorist offers an opportunity to "turn the tide" in the war and that Tuesday he will discuss with Iraqi leaders "how to best deploy America's resources in Iraq."
A senior White House official cautioned that Mr. Bush was not hinting at possible early reductions in U.S. troops there, according to Reuters news agency.
Meanwhile, Democrats sprinkled caveats throughout their praise.
"That is good news; he was a dreadful, vicious person," said Sen. Kent Conrad, North Dakota Democrat. Mr. Conrad added that he hopes the military can get Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, another top al Qaeda leader.
"They're even more important," he said.
Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Michigan Democrat, said it was good news but added, "I think we have a long way to go."
Republicans called Zarqawi's death a positive step and thanked Iraqi citizens for standing up to a threat against their nascent Democracy.
"I am more optimistic than ever that a free and stable Iraq can be achieved," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee.
posted on June 8, 2006 09:03:05 PM new
It's great the guy's dead but in the long run I doubt it matters very much. There have to be a hundred young bucks hoping to take his place. He wasn't exactly Bin Laden's favorite, so it may be that Osama's none too sad over his demise either. Never a key organizational player and always a loose cannon in Bin Laden's corporate terror organization, Osama may be able to bring someone on board who'll be less grandiose but in the long run more effective. Beheading people even put off quite a few otherwise sympathetic Iraqis.
What gets me the most about this whole deal is the father of that young contractor who was beheaded by Zarkawi. The father feels sympathy for his family and bemoans the loss of ANY human being!....A better man than I am that's for sure. If it was my son I'd be asking for one of the bastard's ears.
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