posted on November 18, 2006 07:53:41 PM
By now, I imagine most have seen the phone-camera vid of the UCLA campus cops tasering the student in the library?
Sadly, within 24 hours of the student's release from the pokey, he's already hired a lawyer, screaming lawsuit, etc, blah, blah...
This is the type of case that drives me crazy, since all he had to do was follow the cops orders & nothing would have escaleted -- instead, he decided to make a politicat point & all hell broke loose!
My personal opinion is that when a cop gives you an order, GOOD CITIZENS should do the followig:
1) FOLLOW THE ORDERS!!
2) If ya feel yer civil rights are being violated, complain AFTER the dust has settled through the proper channels...
3) DO NOT ARGUE WITH COPS!
The above is the ONLY policy that avoids the breakdown of a civil society...
As I've noted before, there's a time & place for everything...
Personally, I believe that the VAST MAJORITY of police are honest & dedicated civil servants doing an IMPOSSIBLE JOB that you couldn't pay me oooodles of moola to do...
I'm sure I'm gonna get slammed, but this case really set me off!
posted on November 18, 2006 08:27:23 PM
I agree with you 100%.
The way I understood what happened was that everyone who is NOT a student at UCLA is asked to leave at 11:00 PM....for the security of the students there.
This jerk could not produce ID that he was a student there....NOR would he leave.
posted on November 19, 2006 02:59:21 AM
Its no secret where I stand on this.Having civil rights doesnt mean you can go anywhere and do anything you please.
"I'm sure I'm gonna get slammed, but this case really set me off!"
I doubt it Tom-if anyone disagrees with what you said they're ass-holes to begin with.
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If you dont want to hear the truth....dont ask the question.
A subject that we all can agree on. This loser should feel lucky all they did was taser him. Maybe next time they will pull out the pistol and shoot him with that.
posted on November 20, 2006 11:58:38 AM
WOW! Stoney!
I never knew you were such a supporter of THE US CONSTITUTION and the RULE OF LAW!
Shooting UNARMED STUDENTS who act childish in a silly & stupid & un-necessary confrontation with the police sure does make government so much...simpler
Just think of all the moola saved by doing away with courts & judges & jails...
Wat a novel idea! Just enact an ENABLING ACT and then SHOOT anybody that disagrees with you or DAS LEADER!
posted on November 21, 2006 02:02:28 PMShooting UNARMED STUDENTS
First of all big dumbazz, they didn't shoot him. They tasered him. Pretty clear you have no idea what happens when you get tasered. But you also didn't know that 90% of the time when tasers are used, it is to protect the safety of both the cops and the person involved. Then again, you are the same idiot that thinks everyone else needs to do the policing in your community.
The bigdopa. Deadbeat to the community.
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posted on November 21, 2006 03:16:27 PM
Yeah, so they protected his safety 5 times. Calling for them to shoot him just goes to show how ignorant you are stonecold. Why don't we just shoot all the foreign students?
In general, I agree with you Tom, the guy did argue and try to make a political issue out of it. On the other hand, they started yelling at him to stand up immediately after the first time he was tasered and anybody who's ever seen someone get tasered knows they darn sure CAN'T stand up. It looks to me like both parties were at fault. The student for arguing and failing to carry ID, and the campus keystone cops for panicking and abusing their power. He should be banned from the library or perhaps the campus and the idiot cops should be put through the wringer for excessive force.
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Well trained police officers should be able to handle this case without a tazer gun. Leaping to this abusive technique on an unarmed student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, only added to the disruption. Shame on UCLA's campus police.
posted on November 22, 2006 11:45:23 AM
Apparently the student also tried to incite other students in the library to come to his aid and join him in his protest which probably set the police on edge. He is also filing a lawsuit against ths University for singling him out because he was of Middle Eastern origin. He has parted company with the 1st lawyer he hired however.
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posted on November 22, 2006 12:27:10 PM
To profe51 Do not believe that the student involved was a foreign student but an American student of Iranian descent ( They refer to themselves as Persians cause it sounds better.) There is a very large population of Iranians in LA county and Orange county as well- all well educated and most upper middle class.
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posted on November 22, 2006 01:22:32 PMWell trained police officers should be able to handle this case without a tazer gun. Leaping to this abusive technique on an unarmed student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, only added to the disruption.
So what you are saying is they should completely ignore what they have been taught and do it your stupid way.
WRONG
FYI. The police are trained to use the taser anytime they feel threatened, but not to the point of deadly force. If a suspect acts agressive in anyway, taser usage is allowed. It is also allowed to be used to save a person from hurting themself.
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Well, lets see...what serious crime did this student commit? He failed to produce a student ID and apparently he refused to stand up and leave.
Using the taser gun for such a non-violent infraction on an unarmed student only served to escalate the disruption and demonstrate the campus cop's level of incompetence and lack of skill in handling what should have been a routine and simple operation.
The use of tasers, which are not considered non-lethal weapons should only be used in the case of potential violence. This situation in the school library is not such a case.
posted on November 22, 2006 02:47:41 PM
A longer video of the disruptive taser solution in this case can be seen here along with a linked story about another inappropriate use of the weapon in which the tasered individual died.
posted on November 22, 2006 04:27:18 PM
Officer in Taser case identified
Terrence Duren, a 2001 UCLA officer of the year, has been the subject of two other use-of-force complaints.
By Charles Proctor and Richard Winton, Times Staff Writers
November 21, 2006
Terrence Duren, a 2001 UCLA officer of the year, has been the subject of two other use-of-force complaints.
The UCLA police officer videotaped last week using a Taser gun on a student also shot a homeless man at a campus study hall room three years ago and was earlier recommended for dismissal in connection with an alleged assault on fraternity row, authorities said.
UCLA police confirmed late Monday that the officer who fired the Taser gun was Terrence Duren, who has served in the university's Police Department for 18 years.
Duren, who was named officer of the year in 2001, also has been involved in several controversial incidents on campus.
In an interview with The Times on Monday night, Duren, 43, defended his record as a campus police officer and urged people to withhold judgment until the review of his Taser use is completed.
"I patrol this area the same way I would want someone to patrol the neighborhoods where I live," he said. "People make allegations against cops all the time. Saying one thing and proving it are two different things."
While he would not directly talk about why he used the Taser on the student, he said a videotape of any arrest doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.
"If someone is resisting, sometimes it's not going to look pretty taking someone into custody," he said. "If you have to use some force, it's not going to look pretty. That's the nature of this job."
A student's cellphone video of the incident has been broadcast around the world and focused much criticism on the officer.
But Duren — who was back on duty at the UCLA campus Monday night — said he can roll with these punches and wants to explain himself to students critical of his actions.
"In this line of business, you have to have a thick skin," he added. "I am proud of my service as a cop."
The incident occurred about 11 p.m. Nov. 14 in a library filled with students studying for midterm examinations.
Senior Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was asked by Duren and other university police officers for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there.
Authorities said Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests to provide identification or to leave. The officers decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad after he went limp while they were escorting him out and after he urged other library patrons to join his resistance, according to the university's account.
The video shows portions of the incident, in which Tabatabainejad can be heard screaming in pain when the Taser shocks are administered.
The tape, which has been broadcast on the YouTube website and TV newscasts, prompted widespread criticism both on campus and from outsiders. On Friday, more than 200 students held a march to the police station, while acting Chancellor Norman Abrams tried to quell the critics by announcing an independent investigation of the Taser use. Abrams said UCLA had received numerous e-mails and calls from concerned alumni and parents.
Tabatabainejad's attorney, Stephen Yagman, said his client was shocked five times with the Taser after he refused to show his ID because he thought he was being singled out for his Middle Eastern appearance. Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S. citizen by birth and a resident of Los Angeles.
Duren said Monday that he joined the UCLA police force after being fired from the Long Beach Police Department in the late 1980s. He said he was a probationary officer at the time and was let go because of poor report-writing skills and geographical knowledge.
In May 1990, he was accused of using his nightstick to choke someone who was hanging out on a Saturday in front of a UCLA fraternity. Kente S. Scott alleged that Duren confronted him while he was walking on the street outside the Theta Xi fraternity house.
Scott sued the university, and according to court records, UCLA officials moved to have Duren dismissed from the police force. But after an independent administrative hearing, officials overturned the dismissal, suspending him for 90 days.
Duren on Monday disputed the allegations made by Scott.
In October 2003, Duren shot and wounded a homeless man he encountered in Kerckhoff Hall. Duren chased the man into a bathroom, where they struggled and he fired two shots.
The homeless man, Willie Davis Frazier, was later convicted of assaulting an officer. Duren said Frasier had tried to grab his gun during the struggle. But Frazier's attorney, John Raphling, said his client was mentally ill and didn't do anything to provoke the shooting.
It remains unclear when the independent investigation of the Taser incident will be completed. It will be headed by Merrick Bobb, a veteran watchdog of both the Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County Sheriff's departments.
UCLA police officials said in a short statement that Duren arrived at Powell Library with Officer Alexis Bicomong. Duren "discharged the Taser," the statement said. Officers Kevin Kilgore, Andrew Ikeda and Ricardo Bolanos, and Sgt. Philip Baguliao, a supervisor, were also at the scene.
"Let the independent watchdog run its course," Duren said.
The officer said that when the probe is complete, he'd like to sit down with students, particularly Muslim student groups, to explain his actions at the library.
posted on November 22, 2006 06:32:07 PM
Looks like he's got a record of excessive force to hide...OOPS, too late for that! I still say, the cop's a dope and so's the kid.
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posted on November 24, 2006 01:42:33 PMThe use of tasers, which are not considered non-lethal weapons
This statement is 100% WRONG
Tasers are a non-lethal weapon most often used to save both the police officer and the criminal bodily injury which without the device, would likely occur. It is extremely clear you don't have a clue on what you speak of and even more clear that you have never had any type of training on this device.
Here is a blurb from your own link.
An inquest jury has already ruled that the officer was within his rights to act as he did.
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posted on November 24, 2006 02:47:44 PM
Oh now, stonecold....you should know by now helen ALWAYS sides AGAINST the police...and for the criminal acting out. She's just anti-law enforcement....and I've never seen her be supportive of ANY action that's been mentioned here.
Imo, she's anti-cops too.
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the profe said: "On the other hand, they started yelling at him to stand up immediately after the first time he was tasered and anybody who's ever seen someone get tasered knows they darn sure CAN'T stand up."
I've personally watched SEVERAL vedios of police officers tasering one another. They get tasered...fall down...and IMMEDIATELY roll over and up on their knees. Within SECONDS they're standing.
So...obviously I disagree with the profe's above statement.
And this JERK was no frail college boy either. lol lol
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
No, Stonecold, my statement is right. The taser is less lethal than a shotgun but since it has caused the death of over 200 people in the last five years it can clearly be a lethal weapon. There is an appropriate use for tasers when lives are threatened by a violent individual but a student in a library who fails to produce an ID and misbehaves by going LIMP when he is being removed from the library is not such a case.
We should point out that the quote that you posted above was not about the officer in this case. That was a jury decision on another case in which a paranoid schizophrenic was killed by an officer who used a taser.
posted on November 24, 2006 07:13:34 PM
Linda, you're all wet. If a typical tasered suspect were to be able to get up within "SECONDS", there'd be precious little to be gained by tasering anybody. Tasering is used to subdue and immobilize a dangerous suspect long enough for other restraining action to be taken. The fact remains, this poor SOB was tasered at least 5 times. This, to me, shows at minimum a severe lack of training on the part of the campus cops and at worst, malfeasance. They shoulda hog tied him the first time they nailed him and hauled him out to a squad car, to be dealt with by more rational and more intelligent individuals elsewhere. In my opinion, they were putting on a paranoid, abusive show and deserve to be called on the carpet for it. None of this should diminish the fact that the student was a fool for arguing and trying to make a political statement. He shouldn't have. His foolishness however is not an excuse for excessive force. Helen is right, there have been many deaths from the inappropriate use of tasers.
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posted on November 24, 2006 07:41:19 PM
lol....I KNOW what I saw, profe.
And I already have LONG understood that the typical mantra of the lefties is 'police brutality' - or 'excessive force' or whatever....but it ALWAYS is against the law enforcers.
This guy got what he deserved. HE started it. HE refused to follow the rules...and HE started giving them a hard time.
It's HE who is responsible for his OWN actions. The 'reaction' of law enforcement IS necessary when dealing with all these JERKS who believe rules and laws don't apply to THEM....only others.
When approached to show his ID...HE could have made the choice just to leave, calmly. THAT was not what he intended to do NOR what he actually did.
He brought this whole thing on himself. PERIOD.....no one else is to blame. But for SOME strange reason....SOME people are more willing to immediately scream out 'excessive force' by those MEAN policemen/women who are ONLY doing their jobs. And when some JERK makes their jobs more difficult....then THEY are the ones taking the chance of dealing with whatever comes NEXT.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 07:44:59 PM
So.....imo, the topic question of "Lessons from UCLA taser incident??"
Don't EVER think you are ABOVE the rules/laws. YOU AREN'T....and there will be consequences for your FALSE sense of being 'special' when you're not.
Your parents were only kidding - raising you be believe you're just so 'special'.....you're NOT special. You're expected to follow rules just like everyone else is. LOL LOL LOL
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 07:45:32 PM
linda obviously believes in a police state where cops rule uncontrolled....how communistic....or is it more Fascism....hmmmm...
Anyway I'm sure linda, who has a close association with her god, has offered up prayers that this person be tortured....think your "kind and loving" god will answer them linda???
posted on November 24, 2006 07:50:18 PM
Linda--Just with preliminary research, there are many instances of serious injury and even death caused by the TASER. This report out of New Zealand is just one example:
Injuries to officers highlight taser dangers
Wednesday, 13 September 2006, 12:22 pm
Press Release: Green Party
13 September 2006
Injuries to officers highlight taser dangers
Green Party Police Spokesperson Keith Locke has written to the Police Minister asking her to reconsider her support for the taser trial following a disclosure that three New Zealand police officers had been injured during tests.
Two officers had received minor flesh injuries, and one was dazed after falling badly.
"Taser victims often 'fall badly' because they have no muscular control to cushion the impact," Mr Locke says.
"Presumably the dazed officer was tasered on a soft surface, unlike many taser victims, who will knock their head on a hard road, a curb, or a protruding object.
"Overseas, such falls have caused death or serious injury. On June 4, 2004 Jerry Pickens was tasered in Bridge City, Louisiana. He fell backward, hit his head on his driveway, went into a coma and died.
"The taser is also dangerous to people with heart conditions, or those whose cardio-vascular system is affected by drugs. The police 'guinea pigs' would have been fit and healthy, unlike many of the people they will be tasering on the street.
"I have written to Police Minister Annette King to ask her to reconsider whether the trial should go ahead in the light of this new evidence," Mr Locke says.
"The risk to the public is too great to justify the continued use of this weapon."
There is genuine risk of disruption of the heart's electrical impulses which could lead to ventricular fibrillation and that often leads to death. The more times a person is TASERed the higher the risk of heart injury. It is not an innocuous weapon and should only be used when the safety of others is endangered. This student may have been a jerk, but last time I looked this is not a crime worthy of capital punishment.
posted on November 24, 2006 07:54:56 PM
Yes, there are, aren't there coincoach.
Something that jerk should have thought about before he decided HE was above the rules.
HE took that risk. He COULD have chosen not to.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 07:58:08 PM
Appears our LYING mingo thinks that all our laws and all the rules that WE decide as a community...make us [America] a police state.
Just goes to show what SHE doesn't know.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 08:05:20 PM
Appears that the Fascist linda thinks police should rule uncontrolled ....shows how she worships the police state.....
And LYING ??
How about this whopper.....
""Appears our LYING mingo thinks that all our laws and all the rules that WE decide as a community...make us [America] a police state""
Just where did I say this lindathefascist ?
I know, like so many of my questions....you won't answer...coward is your true name.
posted on November 24, 2006 08:20:08 PM
Probably from the exact same place your post about me wanting to pray to my God for him to be tortured, came from.
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SOMEbody appears to be ignoring THIS little bit of info.
An inquest jury has already ruled that the officer was within his rights to act as he did."
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 08:23:28 PM
And just for the record....can't keep up with the oncoming LIES from the liberal ladies here.....
An article that was originally written by a 'journalist' who wrote FOR the Moscow Times.....was USED as supporting debate. LOL
AND helen herself has stated several times the NYT is NOT a liberal paper. LOL LOL LOL
But...they're just confused again. Normal for them. Some of us are VERY used to it.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 24, 2006 08:32:59 PM
Any rational person knows that when confronted by the police, do as you are told so as not to escalate the situation. Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots in this world. That doesn't mean that they should be picked off one by one. Also, this guy was repeatedly TASERed, which is very dangerous and can cause cardiac arrest. Let me be clear...I am not condoning the behavior of the person arrested. He deserved to be arrested if reports of the incident are accurate. The cavalier use of the TASER, which people mistakenly believe is not a dangerous weapon, is what I am concerned about. You seem to be taking the incident more seriously than the city of LA. He was released with a citation and a court date.
posted on November 24, 2006 08:45:32 PM
LOL.....yea, but they're just always SO willing to 'find the police GUILTY' of actions they've been accused of. lol like nobody EVER notices that is how lefties act.
Pepper spray - they argue against.
Hitting the suspect - they argue against.
Now they're using taser DEATHS as reasons the law enforcers shouldn't be allowed to use them either.
Maybe we should call one of them when these jerks cause these disruptions.....see just how THEY'D handle the situation IF they were being confronted by idiots who REFUSE to follow the rules/laws.
Especially since they NEVER like the way it WAS handled.
lol
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
