Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Well, it's about time that he recognizes global warming. In the meantime, the bears have resorted to open-water swimming and even cannibalism in an effort to stay alive.
posted on December 28, 2006 02:34:23 PM new
This is big news that his administration not only concedes that global warming is a fact but that humans may be partially the cause of it, but I expect he'll figure some way to backpedal on it.
posted on December 28, 2006 03:46:55 PM new
There is no "backpedaling" required. Global warming cycles have been recorded for millions of years. The argument is to what degree man can affect this process.
Part of the problem is an incredible level of stupidity amongst people who classify themselves as "green". There is no greater group on Earth who follow the "it sounds good, it must be true" principle. An example of this is the insane pogrom against automobiles. Autos contribute approx. 1/42 of the quadrillions of tons of greenhouse gasses. A greater contributor to the problem is the fact that each year the air and water get cleaner. The decrease in particulates allows more sunlight to reach the land and seas. The land increases in temp causing weather shifts and more of the oceans evaporate increasing the water vapor in the air, increasing atmospheric and global warming. Maybe we should start pumping soot into the air.
posted on December 29, 2006 06:29:58 AM newThis is big news that his administration not only concedes that global warming is a fact but that humans may be partially the cause of it, but I expect he'll figure some way to backpedal on it.
I think Bush will start a Global Warming Study Group before he decides what to do. The group will study the problem for a year and then Bush will consult with some of his dad's buddies before making a decision. By the time he decides what to do, he will be out of office.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 29, 2006 09:28:06 AM new
Journalists have warned of climate change for 100 years, but can’t decide weather we face an ice age or warming
U.S. Funds Nearly $4 Billion in Climate-Change Research
Global warming is a good business to be in for government funding. More than 99.5 percent of American climate change funding comes from the government, which spends $4 billion per year on climate change research.
Researchers use this money to promote doom and gloom reports on what man is doing to his world.
The bigger and more catastrophic climate change cataclysm becomes, the more it is justifiable to take more money and exert more control – a cycle that feeds itself. Scientist and environmentalist Stephen Schneider explained these tactics.
“On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have.” (Discover, October, 1989)
Environmental lobbying, a $1.6 billion industry, puts increased pressure on government to spend more on global warming and take more control.
Calls for higher taxes, more regulation and greater government intervention in private businesses increase as environmentalists propagate scarier scenarios.
posted on December 29, 2006 10:50:37 AM new
First we're going into an 'ice' age....now it's because of humans that we're going into a global warming. lol lol lol
All this fuss over nothing but the natural changes that have ALWAYS occurred in our universe.
But...those scientists must stay employed....and who better with that our BIG BROTHER government who pays their salaries. So...they continue to preach about global cooling and global warming as though WE have the ability to prevent these changes. lol lol lol
posted on December 29, 2006 11:28:28 AM newAll this fuss over nothing but the natural changes that have ALWAYS occurred in our universe.
Natural changes have not caused all of the damage to ozone layer.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 29, 2006 12:21:30 PM new
If you are referring to the "OH MY GOD, THERE'S A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER!!!!!" from a few years ago, analysis of core samples shows there has always been a hole, which varies in size over the centuries.
Now if you want some real global warming:
When Krakatoa blew up in 1883, it threw 11.5 cubic MILES of debris into the atmosphere causing a shift in weather patterns, a .5 degree Celsius cooling of the Earth and dimmed the atmosphere for several years.
From core samples and examination of ancient literature, some experts are now theorizing the explosion of ancient Krakatoa was responsible for the climactic shifts that destroyed the Maya and brought about the death and starvation of the "Dark Ages" in Europe.
posted on December 29, 2006 01:00:27 PM new
Hey new-cons see Al Gore's movie about Global Warming you will learn and not be in new-con denial any longer.
THE RELIGIOUS BACKED (RIGHT WING NEW-CON) EXPERIMENT IN GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED. IT CRUMBLED ALONG WITH ITS DELUSIONAL ISSUES,BELIEVES AND DENIAL OF REALITY.
posted on December 29, 2006 01:08:28 PM new
Many scientists have already ready LAUGHED at and discounted ol gore's nonsense.
Already been hashed over....and gore proven to take his 'info' from people who don't have a clue what they're talking about....they aren't even specialists in their field.
LOL LOL LOL
figures you'd believe him.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on December 29, 2006 01:22:22 PM new
"Hey new-cons see Al Gore's movie about Global Warming you will learn and not be in new-con denial any longer"
why, did he invent global warming too??
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If you dont want to hear the truth....dont ask the question.
posted on December 29, 2006 01:54:21 PM new
Neocon,""Duh, (gurgle, drool), we kin jus' do anythin' like pollude da air and water...ain't gonna hurt nuttin'...we only gotta breathe it and drink it...dem scientist guys are so uneducated, nod like me, me knows better dem dem guys...dey all paid off by Big Brudder, and me was told that by somebody who doesn't know Big Brother is da govment run by george(he is god) bush.""
LOL!Hard to imagine people stupid enough to believe the earth is doing just fine..TSK TSK TSK...and oh all those terrible scientists lying to us like that
Nope, folks linduh and duhsquirrel know better...those two "highly educated" chimps
posted on December 29, 2006 01:55:05 PM new
As I've stated over and over profe, I believe ALL interested ADULTS are quite capable of doing their own research on the issues we discuss here.
Anyone who does a search on 'scientists debund gore's global warming movie' can read what the scientists say for themselves.
gore is an eco-wacko...who, along with the media, have driven this issue into the realm of craziness.
And there IS NO AGREEMENT upon whether humans could change nature either.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ancient ice shelf breaks free in Canadian Arctic
Breakaway may 'signal the onset of accelerated change,' researchers say
TORONTO - A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a “major” reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf — about the size of Manhattan — broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about 500 miles south of the North Pole in the Canadian Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery. Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions, traveled to the newly formed ice island and couldn’t believe what he saw.
“This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many thousands of years,” Vincent said. “We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead.”
The ice shelf was one of six major shelves remaining in Canada’s Arctic. They are packed with ancient ice that is more than 3,000 years old. They float on the sea but are connected to land.
'Consistent with climate change'
Some scientists say it is the largest event of its kind in Canada in nearly 30 years and that climate change was a major element.
“It is consistent with climate change,” Vincent said, adding that the remaining ice shelves are 90 percent smaller than when they were first discovered in 1906. “We aren’t able to connect all of the dots ... but unusually warm temperatures definitely played a major role.”
Laurie Weir, who monitors ice conditions for the Canadian Ice Service, was poring over satellite images in 2005 when she noticed that the shelf had split and separated.
Weir notified Luke Copland, head of the new global ice lab at the University of Ottawa, who initiated an effort to find out what happened.
Using U.S. and Canadian satellite images, as well as seismic data — the event registered on earthquake monitors 155 miles away — Copland discovered that the ice shelf collapsed in the early afternoon of Aug. 13, 2005.
Copland said the speed with which climate change has effected the ice shelves has surprised scientists.
“Even 10 years ago scientists assumed that when global warming changes occur that it would happen gradually so that perhaps we expected these ice shelves just to melt away quite slowly,” he said.
Instead, satellite images showed the 9-mile long crack, then the ice floating about a half mile from the coast within about an hour, Copland said.
“You could stand at one edge and not see the other side, and for something that large to move that quickly is quite amazing,” he said.
Copland said the break was likely due to a combination of low accumulations of sea ice around the mass’s edges as high winds blew it away, as well as one of the Arctic's warmest temperatures on record. The region was 5.4 degrees F above average in the summer of 2005, he said.
Ice shelves in Canada’s far north have decreased in size by as much as 90 percent since 1906, and global warming likely played a role in the Ayles break, Copland said.
“It’s hard to tie one event to climate change, but when you look at the longer-term trend, the bigger picture, we’ve lost a lot of ice shelves on northern Ellesmere in the past century and this is that continuing,” he said. “And this is the biggest one in the last 25 years.”
Shipping hazard possible
Derek Mueller, a polar researcher with Vincent’s team, said the ice shelves get weaker and weaker as temperatures rise. He visited Ellesmere Island in 2002 and noticed that another ice shelf had cracked in half.
“We’re losing our ice shelves and this a feature of the landscape that is in danger of disappearing altogether from Canada,” Mueller said.
Within days of breaking free, the Ayles Ice Shelf drifted about 30 miles offshore before freezing into the sea ice. A spring thaw may bring another concern: that warm temperatures will release the new ice island from its Arctic grip, making it an enormous hazard for ships.
“Over the next few years this ice island could drift into populated shipping routes,” Weir said.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
Cheryl
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Gone but never forgotten.
posted on December 29, 2006 02:22:34 PM new
Liberals will just NEVER get it.
No one is saying there aren't changes going on....we're in disagree about whether or not HUMANS or nature are the cause of these changes that HAVE occurred since our planet began.
Very simple to grasp the difference. lol Least it is for most people....but apparently not for some liberals.
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Again.....scientists are NOT in agreement about what is causing these changes that have ALWAYS taken place on our planet.
And old gore's film will only cause more to believe FALSEHOODS about the actual SCIENCE behind the changes.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on December 29, 2006 02:40:51 PM new
"""But...those scientists must stay employed....and who better with that our BIG BROTHER government who pays their salaries."""
So you agree bush has made our government into a "Big Brother", paying scientists to spew his agenda as facts like he did with journalists ????
posted on December 29, 2006 03:25:38 PM new
Yup, a sure sign of more global warming.
Storm dumps more than two feet of snow near Denver
DENVER (USATODAY.com) — More than two feet of snow blanketed the foothills west of Denver in the area's second major storm in a week, hampering holiday travel and slowing business for merchants throughout the state, as forecasters Friday called for more snow through the weekend.
posted on December 29, 2006 03:33:27 PM newIf you are referring to the "OH MY GOD, THERE'S A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER!!!!!" from a few years ago, analysis of core samples shows there has always been a hole, which varies in size over the centuries.
yes, but it has gotten bigger over the past few decades because of the increased CFC's in the atmosphere not because of some volcanic activity.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 29, 2006 03:46:24 PM new
bear, you posted "proof" there's no global warming by mentioning a snow storm once before and obviously didn't learn a thing.
Several people tried to get it into your thick skull that global warming causes all kinds of weather including abberations. Try LEARNING about what global warming means before making an idiot of yourself once again.
posted on December 29, 2006 04:12:41 PM newYup, a sure sign of more global warming.
Storm dumps more than two feet of snow near Denver.
I guess Bear thinks global warming is also responsible for all the snow and ice in Antarctica. Bush better put Bear on his global warming team. This global warming issue can be solved in no time then.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 29, 2006 05:00:46 PM new
Bigpeepa, the trees won't die. That situation happens a lot in Minnesota...and by June it's a jungle.
Some trees and shrubs may be affected ...call your county extension agent and they can tell you what plants will be harmed..or not.
