posted on February 8, 2007 06:38:03 PM new
You too Rev?
Snow Squalls Bury Upstate New York
Feb 8, 11:42 AM (ET)
OSWEGO, N.Y. (AP) - While the northern Plains and Northeast shiver in dangerously cold temperatures, the folks in upstate New York are keeping warm shoveling snow - lots of snow.
Since Sunday, the small towns of Parish and Mexico have recorded more than 6 feet of snow, and forecasters with the National Weather Service say it isn't over yet.
Another 2 feet or more of heavy lake effect snow was expected Thursday for the communities along eastern Lake Ontario, and more squalls are likely through the weekend.
"We're just trying to keep up. It's almost an unreal amount," said Mayor Randy Bateman of Oswego, where 70 inches of snow had fallen by Thursday morning. "We catch up when it stops, but then it just comes again, even heavier."
Schools were closed for a fourth day in Oswego and Mexico.
In West Virginia, where as much as 9 inches of snow has fallen, some schools that had been closed were able to reopen on Thursday, but in most of the state, classes were still delayed, and in a few counties, canceled. Officials had to call snowplow drivers out of retirement Wednesday to clear the roads.
The weather also disrupted travelers, leaving some stranded overnight in airports in the Midwest after flights to the Northeast were disrupted.
Temperatures in the Northeast were inching back up to something closer to normal for this time of year, but the upper Midwest and northern Plains still awoke to subzero temperatures Thursday - minus-12 in Minneapolis and 3 below zero in Chicago.
The bitter cold and slippery roads have contributed to at least 19 deaths - five in Ohio, four in Illinois, four in Indiana, two in Kentucky, two in Michigan, and one each in Wisconsin, New York and Maryland, authorities said. Three of them died Tuesday when two SUVs crashed on a slick road in northern Indiana. An autopsy Wednesday determined that an elderly woman found in a New York City building had died of hypothermia.
In Oswego, a big concern was keeping the city's 800 fire hydrants clear, said Fire Chief Ed Geers.
"We're just trying to keep on top of digging out the hydrants. When you get 5 feet of snow in 24 hours, it's tough," Geers said.
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
posted on February 8, 2007 07:07:40 PM new
Not that it will matter one bit to you, but this is from the IPCC study of 2001:
HARBINGERS: Events that foreshadow the types of impacts likely to become more frequent and widespread with continued warming.
Spreading disease
Earlier spring arrival
Plant and animal range shifts and population changes
Coral reef bleaching
Downpours, HEAVY SNOWFALLS, and flooding
Droughts and fires
posted on February 8, 2007 07:57:10 PM newSpreading disease
Demoncrats are evidence of that.
You forgot the harbingers of the NEW ICE AGE just a few years ago and the Nuclear Winters, all of which have never happened.
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
[ edited by Bear1949 on Feb 8, 2007 08:00 PM ]
posted on February 8, 2007 08:17:13 PM new
They are CHOOSING to ignore what was being said to make the unbelievers believe back then. LOL
Just as they do all they can to silence those scientists who are trying to tell them...it's NOT the huge threat the PRESS/media is making it out to be.
Maybe they're just too young to REMEMBER that time.
Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age."
The Christian Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to advance," "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool."
Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World," April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said "may mark the return to another ice age."
The Times (May 21, 1975) also said "a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable" now that it is "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950."
In fact, the Earth is always experiencing either warming or cooling. But suppose the scientists and their journalistic conduits, who today say they were so spectacularly wrong so recently, are now correct. Suppose the Earth is warming and suppose the warming is caused by human activity. Are we sure there will be proportionate benefits from whatever climate change can be purchased at the cost of slowing economic growth and spending trillions?
Are we sure the consequences of climate change -- remember, a thick sheet of ice once covered the Midwest -- must be bad?
Or has the science-journalism complex decided that debate about these questions, too, is "over"?
About the mystery that vexes ABC -- Why have Americans been slow to get in lock step concerning global warming? -- perhaps the "problem" is not big oil or big coal, both of which have discovered there is big money to be made from tax breaks and other subsidies justified in the name of combating carbon.
posted on February 8, 2007 08:57:48 PM new
The Nuclear Winter theory involved the detonation of large numbers of nuclear weapons, especially over cities, causing severe cold weather. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the only 2 detonations over cities that I am aware of. Doesn't even apply here.
At one time scientists of the day thought the earth was flat. It was also once thought that the sun revolved around the earth until Copernicus. It is called progress. More sophisticated equipment, more knowledge, more communication allows for better science.
If a long list of climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers and other experts are seriously concerned about climate changes, it would be foolish to dismiss it out of hand. Could they possibly be right? It is certainly worth serious consideration.
posted on February 8, 2007 09:49:58 PM new
LOL....sure, just as SERIOUS as they THOUGHT it was in the 70's.
Obviously it didn't turn out that way did it? Can you DENY that too? lol
Your sense of DENIAL that all aren't in agreement on this is ENORMOUS, coincoach.
Did you bother to pull up ANY of the sources that wrote about global COOLING back then? I doubt it...since it appears you're TRYING to imply that anything said in them had something to do with nuclear bombs???? NOT!!!
Here's the Newsweek one:
"The Cooling World" - by Peter Gwynne
April 28, 1975 Newsweek
There are ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production" with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth.
The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now.
The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas - parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia - where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.
The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually.
During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree - a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation.
Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.
To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather.
The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down.
Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.
If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.
"A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,"¯ warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, "because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century."
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.
According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72.
And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.
To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading.
Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth's average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras" and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average.
Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the 'little ice age'¯ conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 - " years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. "Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. "Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."
Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases - all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.
"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago."¯
Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies.
The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.
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GUESS WHAT? They NEVER became the 'grim reality' that all those so called EXPERTS just KNEW were going to happen IF we didn't take action THEN.
posted on February 9, 2007 03:29:40 AM new
Bear-that is upstate N.Y.we had a half inch of snow here.However its been in the "teens" here most of the week. I heard it was 42 degrees below zero in International Falls,Mn two days ago.Im not sure where this "global warming" is occurring,but I wish I was there LOL.
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posted on February 9, 2007 06:16:57 AM new
I mentioned Nuclear Winter because Bear mentioned it in his post and was responding to that. Guess you missed that. The point of my post is that being wrong in one instance does not mean scientists are wrong now. Technology has grown leaps and bounds since the 70's and scientists are better able to study climate change. You talk as though a few quacks decided climate change is a problem. There are scientists pro and con on this issue, though many more are pro. To dismiss this issue just because they were wrong 30 years ago is foolish. If we ignored the ideas of everyone who was wrong at one time or another, we would still be in the dark ages. I suspect that someone like you, who is never wrong, would not grasp that.
posted on February 9, 2007 06:34:00 AM new
Classic, I'll bet you do. After a couple of weeks of cold (for us) weather in the upper 20's and 3 days of ice, it finally warmed up and we've had a week of clear sky's. Until this am anyway, looks like rain on the way again.
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 9, 2007 10:57:56 AM new
Global Warming is a conspiracy by the left in a misguided attempt to be politically correct.
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
posted on February 9, 2007 12:41:15 PM new
Bear-I just heard Oswego has had 111 inches of snow already,and they are expecting another 2 feet this weekend.
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posted on February 9, 2007 01:11:32 PM newBear-I just heard Oswego has had 111 inches of snow already,and they are expecting another 2 feet this weekend.
Y'all can have all of that that you want. I had a kid working with me a Compaq, years ago that told me of the coldest night he ever spent in the Corps was in upstate NY.
Bear you better stay in Texass we can all tell you couldn't find upstate New York.
It probably take me only shortly longer to to find upstate NY that it would take LD to find you azz.
Started you inmate trust fund fund for your stay for tax evasion yet?
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
[ edited by Bear1949 on Feb 9, 2007 01:19 PM ]
posted on February 9, 2007 07:39:59 PM new
Bear-I think that might have been Watertown,ny.
I think the army has a base up there.Oswego is about 5 hours northwest of here.They always get a lot of snow like Buffalo because of the "lake effect".
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If you decide to "make the trip", my house is along your way... Stop in and I'll make you some hot chocolate and sit you in front of the fire. You and Mark can visit until you feel the need to go back out in the cold.
posted on February 10, 2007 07:27:55 AM new
Thanks Twig, but if I got up there in that weather, I'd probably go into hibernation and no one would see me till spring.
"When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
