posted on February 22, 2007 08:23:39 AM
So much for people being able to state how THEY see the situation.
Oh...but their party can call the President all sorts of names, slander him...and that's okay.
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Also taken from the DRUDGE REPORT
Pelosi Calls Bush to Complain of Cheney's Comments on Democrats' Iraq Strategy
Thursday, February 22, 2007
Fox News
AP
WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday phoned President Bush to air her complaints over Vice President Dick Cheney's comments that the Congressional Democrats' plan for Iraq would "validate the Al Qaeda strategy."
Pelosi, who said she could not reach the president, said Cheney's comments wrongly questioned critics' patriotism and ignored Bush's call for openness on Iraq strategy.
"You cannot say as the president of the United States, 'I welcome disagreement in a time of war,' and then have the vice president of the United States go out of the country and mischaracterize a position of the speaker of the House and in a manner that says that person in that position of authority is acting against the national security of our country," the speaker said.
The quarrel began in Tokyo, where Cheney used an interview to criticize Pelosi and Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., over their plan to place restrictions on Bush's request for an additional $93 billion for the Iraq war to make it difficult or impossible to send 21,500 extra troops to Iraq.
"I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we will do is validate the Al Qaeda strategy," the vice president told ABC News. "The Al Qaeda strategy is to break the will of the American people ... try to persuade us to throw in the towel and come home, and then they win because we quit."
Pelosi, at a news conference in San Francisco, said Cheney's criticism of Democrats was "beneath the dignity of the debate we're engaged in and a disservice to our men and women in uniform, whom we all support."
"And you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to call the president and tell him I disapprove of what the vice president said," Pelosi said. "It has no place in our debate." Bush had previously urged her to call him when a member of his administration stepped over the line by questioning Democrats' patriotism, she said.
Later, Pelosi said she had tried to reach the president but was only able to get through to White House chief of staff Josh Bolten.
Bolten said he was certain no one was questioning her patriotism or commitment to national security, she told reporters.
"I said to him perhaps when he saw what the vice president said he might have another comment," Pelosi said. White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said Cheney "was not questioning anyone's patriotism." But she said Bush and Cheney believe that Pelosi and Murtha's "position to immediately pull out our troops would be harmful to our national security and that it is the wrong strategy to pursue."
Pelosi said she hopes "the president will repudiate and distance himself from the vice president's remarks."
In the interview, Cheney also said Britain's plans to withdraw about 1,600 troops from Iraq - while the United States adds more troops - was a positive step. "I look at it and see it is actually an affirmation that there are parts of Iraq where things are going pretty well," the vice president said.
In response to that statement, Pelosi said: "If it's going so well, we'd like to withdraw our troops as well."
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee, said Britain's withdrawal, coupled with a Denmark's announcement to pull out its 460 troops by August, "accelerates the breakup of the coalition in Iraq."
He said the United States should reduce its forces "as a way of pressuring the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future and to reach the political settlements that are essential to end the sectarian violence and defeat the insurgency."
Administration leaders, however, said Britain's decision was good news.
"The British have done what is really the plan for the country as a whole, which is to transfer security responsibility to the Iraqis as the situation permits," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said at a news conference in Berlin, where she was in meetings on the Mideast peace process.
National security adviser Stephen Hadley, at NATO headquarters in Brussels, said the decision "reflects the progress that has been made on the ground in Basra and in the south," where British troops were stationed.
"So this is basically a good news story, an indication that progress is being made, and that events on the ground permit this kind of adjustment in forces," Hadley said. Still, he acknowledged the violence in Baghdad and said, "I'm not saying this is an unalloyed picture of progress."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on February 22, 2007 10:55:57 AM"The Al Qaeda strategy is to break the will of the American people ... try to persuade us to throw in the towel and come home, and then they win because we quit."
I suppose just like what happened in Vietnam??
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 22, 2007 08:47:28 PMJOHN MURTHA: CAVING IN TO ARABS SINCE 1980
February 21, 2007
Rumored ex-Marine John Murtha, Democrat congressman from Pennsylvania, has become the darling of the cut-and-run crowd for trying to place absurd restrictions on our troops, amounting to withdrawal from Iraq. Were Arab sheiks whispering into his ear?
In case you missed the video on "I Love the '80s," Rep. Murtha was caught on tape negotiating bribes with Arab sheiks during the FBI's Abscam investigation in 1980.
The Abscam investigation was conducted by Jimmy Carter's Justice Department, not right-wing Republicans.
On tape, Murtha told the undercover FBI agent: "When I make a f***in' deal I want to make sure that I know exactly what I'm doing and ... what I'm sayin' is, a few investments in my district ..."
It is a profound and shocking fact that Murtha even showed up at this meeting, knowing he was going to be negotiating bribe money with Arabs.
Murtha added that he wanted the investment in his district to look like it was done "legitimately ... when I say legitimately, I'm talking about so these bastards up here can't say to me ... 'Jesus Christ, ah, this happened,' then he (someone else), in order to get immunity so he doesn't go to jail, he starts talking and fingering people and then the son of a #*!@ all falls apart."
For those of you just joining us, no, this isn't a scene from "The Sopranos." It's an actual conversation between a U.S. congressman and an FBI agent posing as an Arab sheik offering a bribe.
Murtha further said that although he was not prepared to accept cash at that time, "after we've done some business, then I might change my mind." You know, just what you or I or any American might say when offered a cash bribe by an Arab.
The ever-helpful media exposed the Abscam investigation before it could be completed, and consequently we were deprived of the possibility of seeing Murtha on tape stuffing cash in his trousers like the other Democratic congressmen (and one "moderate" Republican) convicted in the Abscam investigation.
Or, as Al Gore used to call such a fund-raising procedure, "community outreach."
But Murtha was willing to trade favors in return for investment in his district — and suggested he might take cash down the line. In other words, Murtha wasn't calling for an immediate surrender of his scruples and principles, but rather a phased withdrawal of them.
In fact, according to a co-conspirator's affidavit, it didn't take long for Murtha to warm to the idea of a cash bribe.
About a month after the taped meeting with Murtha, the co-conspirator, lawyer Howard L. Criden, wrote in his affidavit: "Yesterday, Feb. 1, (Democrat Congressman Frank 'Topper') Thompson called and told me that Murtha was ready to go," adding that Murtha had indicated "during January that he was not ready to do business but would be willing to do so in the future."
Criden said: "Congressman Murtha of Pennsylvania would be willing to enter into an agreement similar to that of the other congressmen" — i.e., taking $50,000 cash from the sheiks for legislative favors.
Criden's affidavit went unsigned, according to his lawyer, Richard Ben-Veniste, solely because of the resulting publicity when the press blew the investigation, leading Criden to believe the prosecutors had broken the deal.
Criden was later convicted and sentenced to six years in prison, along with seven members of Congress (six of them Democrats). Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator. (Would that Patrick Fitzgerald were prosecuting the case!)
As an attorney, let me give you the technical legal description of what occurred: John Murtha was as guilty as O.J. Simpson.
Now Murtha issues high moral pronouncements on the war and denounces our troops, calling the U.S. military "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth." Gee, too bad there aren't any Arab sheiks offering them cash bribes. Sounds like they could really use the money.
Murtha accuses Marines of killing "innocent civilians in cold blood" during an ongoing investigation. Semper Fi, Mr. Dirty Congressman.
Instead of toppling brutal dictators and spreading democracy in the Middle East, Murtha apparently prefers the old way of doing business with Arabs, where he gets juice from the sheiks.
The Democrats' cheat-sheet on Murtha demands that it be shouted out: "He didn't take a bribe on tape!" That's their defense. There is not even a pretense that he didn't talk to Arabs about a bribe.
He negotiated with a prostitute at the bar, but never consummated the deal. He's a saint! Let him be my congressman!
It's the Clintonian "incompetency" defense: Murtha was willing to be bribed; he just never got his act together enough to pick up the cash. I may not be honest, but I'm way too disorganized to actually take bribes!
Fine, Murtha was never convicted. Neither was Nixon. Venal hack John Murtha was willing to sell his country's interests to Arab sheiks.
This is the man Democrats have put up to lead the anti-war charge today, demanding that the commander in chief stop deploying troops against his Arab friends.
If only this whole war thing would blow over, maybe that Arab is still waiting out there with a deal for him.
posted on February 22, 2007 10:09:45 PM
Oh linduh what another load of crap...BOY! You'll take any chance you can get to try to slander a true war vet, a true hero like Murtha ...HOW UN-AMERICAN!!!!!! HOW ANTI-TROOP! How insulting to all our vets....YOU are a TRAITOR!
posted on February 22, 2007 10:14:50 PM
LOL.....just pointing out how old 'we're going to be so ETHICAL, pelosi' chose THREE unethical people to place in important decision making positions.
One her own party had a #*!@ fit about...lol...and she had to back away from supporting him.
posted on February 22, 2007 10:25:25 PM
Just another example of how liberals TWIST most everything that happens.
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Best of the Web Today - February 22, 2007
By JAMES TARANTO
WSJ
Pelosi Questions Own Patriotism
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday phoned President Bush to air her complaints over Vice President Dick Cheney's comments that the Congressional Democrats' plan for Iraq would 'validate the Al Qaeda strategy,' "
Fox News reports:
Pelosi, who said she could not reach the president, said Cheney's comments wrongly questioned critics' patriotism and ignored Bush's call for openness on Iraq strategy.
"You cannot say as the president of the United States, 'I welcome disagreement in a time of war,' and then have the vice president of the United States go out of the country and mischaracterize a position of the speaker of the House and in a manner that says that person in that position of authority is acting against the national security of our country," the speaker said.
Here is what Cheney said, in an ABC News interview:
"I think, in fact, if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we'll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy. The al Qaeda strategy is to break the will of the American people. In fact, knowing they can't win in a stand-up fight, try to persuade us to throw in the towel and come home, and then they win because we quit. I think that's exactly the wrong course to go on. I think that's the course of action that Speaker Pelosi and Jack Murtha support. I think it would be a huge mistake for the country."
It is true that Cheney accuses Pelosi and Murtha of, as she puts it, "acting against the national security of our country."
Does Pelosi think it illegitimate to make such accusations?
Evidently not, to judge by this Pelosi press release of Sept. 24, 2006:
"The news report on the National Intelligence Estimate is further proof that the war in Iraq is making it harder for America to fight and win the war on terror."
"Five years after 9/11 and Osama bin Laden is still free and not a single terrorist who planned 9/11 has been caught and brought to justice. President Bush should read the intelligence carefully before giving another misleading speech about progress in the war on terrorism."
Pelosi claimed that the president's policies have helped al Qaeda--a commonplace among Democratic opponents of the Iraq effort (including many who voted for it).
Why is Cheney's statement invidious if Pelosi's was innocuous?
It's not because Cheney questioned Pelosi & Co.'s patriotism, as she claims. He didn't. He said they were espousing bad policies, but he offered no opinion or speculation about their motives for doing so.
Pelosi thus joins a long line of Democrats to raise questions about their own patriotism.
posted on February 24, 2007 02:20:55 PM
Cheney responds back to the yapping, sniveling, whining, tattletale, pelosi.
Cheney stands by attack on Dems' war stance
Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post
Saturday, February 24, 2007
Vice President Dick Cheney on Friday refused to back down from his assertion that the Democratic approach to Iraq would "validate the al Qaeda strategy."
Speaking with ABC News during a visit to Australia, the vice president addressed the criticism of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, who earlier this week called the White House to complain about Cheney's remarks, which she called "beneath the dignity of the debate we're engaged in."
"I'm not sure what part of it is that Nancy disagreed with," Cheney said in a transcript released by the White House. "She accused me of questioning her patriotism. I didn't question her patriotism. I questioned her judgment.
"Al Qaeda functions on the basis that they think they can break our will. That's their fundamental underlying strategy, that if they can kill enough Americans or cause enough havoc, create enough chaos in Iraq, then we'll quit and go home," Cheney added.
"And my statement was that if we adopt the Pelosi policy, that then we will validate the strategy of al Qaeda. I said it and I meant it."
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 24, 2007 02:23 PM ]
posted on February 24, 2007 02:24:42 PM
Ya, and DICK is right on so many things....NOT !
Obama Ridicules Cheney's Iraq Comments
Updated 9:13 PM ET February 23, 2007
By KELLEY SHANNON
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama ridiculed Vice President Dick Cheney on Friday for saying Britain's decision to pull troops from Iraq is a good sign that fits with the strategy for stabilizing the country.
Obama, speaking at a massive outdoor rally in Austin, Texas, said British Prime Minister Tony Blair's decision this week to withdraw 1,600 troops is a recognition that Iraq's problems can't be solved militarily.
"Now if Tony Blair can understand that, then why can't George Bush and Dick Cheney understand that?" Obama asked thousands of supporters who gathered in the rain to hear him. "In fact, Dick Cheney said this is all part of the plan (and) it was a good thing that Tony Blair was withdrawing, even as the administration is preparing to put 20,000 more of our young men and women in.
"Now, keep in mind, this is the same guy that said we'd be greeted as liberators, the same guy that said that we're in the last throes. I'm sure he forecast sun today," Obama said to laughter from supporters holding campaign signs over their heads to keep dry. "When Dick Cheney says it's a good thing, you know that you've probably got some big problems."
posted on February 24, 2007 02:29:23 PM
LOL.....and Cheney's response to that was 'no comment'.
Why waste his breath - any intelligent person knows who has the most experience in these matters.....and it certainly isn't the 'wet behind his ears' obama.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on February 24, 2007 02:37:30 PM
I couldn't care less what you think of Cheney.
Our enemies KNOW exactly what worked for the communists in VN....a time obama would have been a child...IF he was even born yet. So he doesn't have the experience to KNOW that what you and your ilk are doing now is EXACTLY what helped the communists WIN in VN.
Our enemies DO know and are using the SAME TACTICS...and Cheney and all of us who lived during that time in our history, and supported the VN war....see it too.
So..what you do or don't know, doesn't really matter....but our enemies know that your kind and their actions led to THEIR VICTORY and they're COUNTING on you helping them too.
I see that as being very unAmerican.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 24, 2007 02:48 PM ]
Don't you know we must fight the terrorists in their land because if we withdrawal now, they will come to the US and fight us here - just like the did after we withdrew from Vietnam. Don't you remember all those Vietnamese people coming to America to kill us.
Furthermore, don't you know Bush and Cheney only speak the truth. They have never told a lie. It must have been some other people that kept saying Saddam had WMD's, the insurgents are in their final hours, Mission Accomplished, we will hunt down Osama Bin Laden. I do not remember Bush ever saying those things, do you LOL
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 24, 2007 03:01:28 PM
Again, sadly, LD proves that he isn't even as bright as our muslim terrorist enemies.
They see how the communists won and how our liberal media helped them.....and they see it worked.
But 'he who believes Bush doesn't approve of this war'....is so ignorant he can't recognize the difference that the VN didn't come over and destroy the twin towers.
But the AQ we're fighting in Iraq...will try again...here on our soil.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on February 24, 2007 04:08:27 PM
""""I couldn't care less what you think of Cheney.
Our enemies KNOW exactly what worked for the communists in VN....a time obama would have been a child...IF he was even born yet. So he doesn't have the experience to KNOW that what you and your ilk are doing now is EXACTLY what helped the communists WIN in VN.
Our enemies DO know and are using the SAME TACTICS...and Cheney and all of us who lived during that time in our history, and supported the VN war....see it too.
So..what you do or don't know, doesn't really matter....but our enemies know that your kind and their actions led to THEIR VICTORY and they're COUNTING on you helping them too.""""
Read the above...it's a great warning to stay away from mind altering drugs.....
posted on February 24, 2007 07:27:06 PM
LIAR_K,
The real Un-American people are the new-cons that talk big about EVERYTHING FOR OUR BRAVE TROOPS NOTHING IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR TROOPS then let them sleep on the streets or in sub standard rooms back home.
What a bunch of PHONY LIARS the new-cons are along with BUSHY/CHENEY/RUMMY.
We need to get our troops out of Iraq now BUSHY/CHENEY/RUMMY plus the new-cons weren't up to awesome task of War from the beginning.
YOUNG POOR MEN AND WOMAN FIGHT OLD RICH MENS WARS. WHEN THEY COME HOME HUNDREDS ARE FORGOTTEN NOW SOON TO BE THOUSANDS THAT ARE FORGOTTEN BY BUSHY AND HIS GANG OF FAILURES.
posted on February 25, 2007 11:35:39 AMBut 'he who believes Bush doesn't approve of this war'....is so ignorant he can't recognize the difference that the VN didn't come over and destroy the twin towers.
You know Linda, you have the reading skills of a dead fetus. It must because of the all inbreeding your family did over the years. Nowhere did I say the Vietnamese were responsible for 9/11. I know you have such a difficult time understanding jokes. The biggest joke is you Linda. I am sure you son appreciates having an ASS for a mother.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
