bigpeepa
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:47:40 AM new
Military compiling Iraq backup plan
Pentagon weighing shift from troop buildup to adviser-based strategy
By Julian E. Barnes and Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times
Article Last Updated: 03/12/2007 05:04:30 AM PDT
WASHINGTON — U.S. military planners have begun plotting a fallback strategy for Iraq that includes a gradual withdrawal of forces and a renewed emphasis on training Iraqi fighters in case the current troop buildup fails or is derailed by Congress.
Such a strategy, based partly on the U.S. experience in
El Salvador in the 1980s, is in the early planning stages and would be adjusted to fit the outcome of the current surge in troop levels, according to military officials and Pentagon consultants who spoke on condition of anonymity.
But a drawdown of forces would be in line with comments to Congress by Defense Secretary Robert Gates last month that if the surge fails, the backup plan would include moving troops "out of harm's way." Such a plan also would be close to recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, of which Gates was a member before his appointment as Defense chief.
A strategy following the El Salvador model would be a dramatic break from President Bush's policy committing large numbers of U.S. troops to aggressive counterinsurgency tactics, but it has influential backers within the Pentagon.
"This part of the world has an allergy against foreign presence," a senior Pentagon official said. "You have a window of opportunity that is relatively short. Your ability to influence this with a large U.S. force eventually gets to the point that it is self-defeating."
The new round of planning is taking place in an atmosphere of extraordinary tension within the Pentagon, which is grappling with a war about to enter its fifth year and going poorly on the ground while straining U.S. forces worldwide.
At the same time, the war has created divisions within the Pentagon. Some support the new commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, who advocates using more U.S. forces to protect Baghdad neighborhoods, while others back the position of Gen. John Abizaid, the retiring commander for the Mideast, who favored handing responsibility more quickly to Iraqis.
A shift away from the buildup toward a more adviser-based strategy would bring the administration more in line with the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel created by Congress to make war recommendations. The group called for a gradual reduction in U.S. combat forces. Kalev Sepp, a key adviser to the panel and an El Salvador veteran, was instrumental in getting the commission to back an expanded advisory effort.
"That's exactly what I proposed to the Iraq Study Group, and that's exactly what ended up in the report," said Sepp, an instructor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey.
MORE HERE
http://www.insidebayarea.com/dailyreview/localnews/ci_5417111
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Bear1949
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posted on March 12, 2007 10:06:09 AM new
Only a mindless imbecile would criticize an alternate withdrawal plan.
But then you do fulfill the requirements.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 10:48:14 AM new
AGREED!!!!
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Helenjw
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posted on March 12, 2007 10:01:56 AM new
I don't see anyone criticising this alternate plan.
No need to call someone who posts a news article an imbecile.
[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 12, 2007 10:04 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 11:39:07 AM new
Really?
Now THAT'S an odd statement from the person who called other posters PRICKS...when she didn't agree with their posts.
Can you say HYPOCRITE, helen???
Oh and don't forget hellen, you were SUSPENDED from here for calling other posters axxholes. also.
Now...you were saying???
You were lucky you weren't suspended again when you told posters to 'cram it up their axx' also.
You and kiara just thought that was the cutest thing.
lol lol lol
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And just so that post doesn't get erased also.....
helenjw said: I don't see anyone criticising this alternate plan.
No need to call someone who posts a news article an imbecile.
[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 12, 2007 10:04 AM ]
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 12, 2007 11:46 AM ]
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 11:58:31 AM new
Bigpeepa posted a news article with no comments of his own.
What has that got to do with someone else telling a known liar and name caller to cram it up her ass?
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Helenjw
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posted on March 12, 2007 12:01:24 PM new
Linda, a prick is a highly unpleasant male. It differs from imbecile in that it does not describe intelligence but rather the obnoxiously boorish nature of such an animal. At least one prick has passed through this area and I correctly identified him.
You will not be able to find a case in which I called anyone an imbecile or any case in which I called anyone a prick for the simple act of posting a news article and you will not be able to find any case in which I approved of anyone doing so by posting "AGREED".
As is the case usually, the guy who caused me to write prick was really just a fool. I said to him, I will always remember you as someone laboring to attain the status of prick --- and when your aspiration to that level of wonderment was unachievable, you became a fool.
[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 12, 2007 12:29 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on March 12, 2007 12:06:58 PM new
This thread is about an alternate plan to be used when the Bush plan fails. No one in their right mind should disapprove of an alternate plan in this case or any other case in which the primary plan will likely fail.
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bigpeepa
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posted on March 12, 2007 12:35:26 PM new
O.K. Bear and LIAR_K,
Bear said the words BELOW and LIAR_K agreed. Their words are right after my news post for all to see.
Bear said,"Only a mindless imbecile would criticize an alternate withdrawal plan"
Bear said those words about me so I challenge both BEAR AND LIAR_K to show all here one word of mine that "CRITICIZED" anything about the alternate withdrawal plan news article I posted.
The news article and the defensive new-con mindset about THE BUSH WAR, just slammed dunked a pair of mindless imbecile LIARS without me saying a word. I am having a good time laughing.
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classicrock000
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posted on March 12, 2007 12:43:12 PM new
"Linda, a prick is a highly unpleasant male. It differs from imbecile in that it does not describe intelligence but rather the obnoxiously boorish nature of such an animal. At least one prick has passed through this area and I correctly identified him."
Yea where is Dave? I dont seem him post much here anymore.
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If you dont want to hear the truth....dont ask the question.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:06:14 PM new
ROFLOL
NOW hellen's trying to justify when she calls others names. LOL LOL LOL
And on the IQ charts....this is some say are the categories of LOW IQ's
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IQ's of
70-80 = borderline deficency
50-69 = moron
20-49 = IMBECILE
below 20 = idiot
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hellen you have many times called other posters IDIOTS.....and now you're trying to justify that WHEN you call people this different categories of IQ standards....like that makes it's OKAY?
ROFLMHO
You're just too funny.
Better check how many times BOTH you and kiara have called other posters those names.....lol lol lol
And I agree....'waco's' IQ would be in the imbecile level - he can't grasp what is said....and he is GREAT at repeating things once they are 'stuck' in his low IQ mind.
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 12, 2007 03:11 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:16:58 PM new
"when the Bush plan fails"
And hellen's above statement REALLY shows her support for our troops.....LOL LOL LOL....least according to how HER mind twists things.
It's our MILITARY commanders that set out these plans, helen. You KNOW, the one that the democrats just approved for that position with ALL supporting him? NOT ONE dissenting vote.
You often make statements like this that say to the more knowledgable...that you haven't a clue as to who does what.
LOL
And you're above statement only shows how much you WISH for American to FAIL.
tsk tsk tsk
Most Americans would be hoping against all hope that we WILL be successful.....and bring stability to Iraq so our troops can return home.
But not our helen.....nope she continues to prove she doesn't REALLY support our troops [and their commanders ARE considered part of 'our troops']....but she sure can lie to herself and others by SAYING she does.
tsk tsk tsk
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack." 
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 12, 2007 03:22 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:35:36 PM new
Classic guess again!
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bigpeepa
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:52:57 PM new
Liar_K, Bear,
I see you can't find one word of mine where I criticized the Iraq withdrawal plan.
YOU DISGUST ME LIAR_K!!!!
Now lets see if Bear can find where I criticized the Iraq Withdrawal Plan.
"BRING EM ON" BEAR OR ARE YOU ANOTHER DISGUSTING PERSON LIKE LIAR_K THAT HAS NO SHAME?
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Helenjw
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:03:35 PM new
This would be a good thread to summarize...if I have time. And if not, there will be many others...so long as Bear and Linda are making an effort to respond to the topic. LOL!
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:18:24 PM new
Better check how many times BOTH you and kiara have called other posters those names.....lol lol lol
Put up or shut up, Linda_K. You are by far the biggest name-caller on the board. 
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:20:08 PM new
Oh please....SPARE us all.
Your anti-Amercian and anti troops comments were enough for one day, helen.
While you NEVER answer questions put to you....
who in the hell side are you on?
I believe it's the terrorists....THEM being successful against our troops/our government.
Why? Because of your out and out hatred of this President. SCREW what happens to our Nation.....if he's still CIC then according to you....it HAS to be wrong.
But were you whining when clinton bombed Iraq for EXACTLY the same reason?
NOPE. But you did appreciate that he was GUTLESS after FIVE attacks on American interests to do NOTHING about them.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:23:40 PM new
No, kiara.
There's really no need to play your games anymore.
Those who have read your posts...or want to bother to pull up your nonsense...will see for themselves.
The others? They're in total denial as you pretend to be. Your SELECTIVE memory is no longer funny.
Deny away....others HAVE seen your posts to others who don't agree with your garbage.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:25:33 PM new
A question kiara most likely won't answer.
But here goes anyway.
Do you believe youself to be an AMERICAN patriot, kiara?
LOL
I always enjoy your NON answers.
And while I'm at it:
how about this one too.
Did you or did you not approve of clinton's bombing of Iraq and HIS quoted speechs about how saddam was a threat and did have bio/chem/nuclear programs?
Because I don't remember you bashing him....and his position of the Iraq situation was NO different than this Presidents/administration.
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 12, 2007 04:28 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:27:00 PM new
Deny away....others HAVE seen your posts to others who don't agree with your garbage.
Where are all these 'others' that you talk to all the time, Linda_K? How come none of them ever show up here with any proof? Hmmmm?
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:32:10 PM new
again....your VERY selective memory.
They have in the past.
Did you miss all of them? lol
And most who have made comments about it have left this forum.
Going to answer MY questions? Or as usual just keep ignoring what you CAN'T answer?
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:34:04 PM new
Who? Where are they? Put up or shut up, Linda_K.
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 04:37:59 PM new
Looks like Linda_K is missing her little lap dogs. Guess they grew tired of her craziness and took care of their own withdrawal plans or Vendio did it for them.
[ edited by kiara on Mar 12, 2007 05:04 PM ]
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Bear1949
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posted on March 12, 2007 03:47:31 PM new
No need to call someone who posts a news article an imbecile.
Helen, look again at who posted the article and its HISTORY of posts.
Do you deny it has been critical of everything to do with the war and the way it has been fought?
I'm surprised it hasnt been seen protesting along side Sheehan & Baghdad Jane.
Waco, show me where you have EVERF been supportive of the war on terror?
Put up or shut up, blow hard.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 06:22:28 PM new
Bigpeepa has been posting updates and facts about the war in Iraq, Bear. It's reality. Why does reality make you so angry?
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 06:33:07 PM new
LOL Facts????
You nor 'waco' would know what a FACT was if it hit you in the face.
The LA TIMES doesn't have ONE conservative writer working for them. NOT ONE.
And the other site he provided is an out and out RADICAL liberal website.
Who you trying to fool?
No one that actually KNOWS what the facts are.
Remember what Reagan said.....
""It's not that liberals are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
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But what I find even MORE funny is that for YEARS we've listened to the liberals here saying Bush NEVER had a plan....NEVER <<<EVER....NEVER.
Now a piece is written about a BACK up plan....and since it's FOR pulling out....they believe it. Hook, line and sinker.
And they SURE forget that President Bush has stated over and over and over again.....we WILL NOT pull out of Iraq UNTIL he believes they can defend themselves......OR he leaves office.
But they'll NEVER be able to grasp that so they CLING at staws hoping just hoping this above mentioned PLAN lol might come about.
Not until/IF you manage to get your own anti-war President in the WH....and I just don't see that happening.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 12, 2007 06:38 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 06:41:05 PM new
The lack of armor, not enough troops at the beginning, not securing the borders, the lies about the weapons of mass destruction, the deaths and injuries of the troops, the video-taped daily violence, the government turning their backs on the troops when they come home injured........... all facts played out before the eyes of the world daily and reported daily. All reality.
REALITY.
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 06:47:09 PM new
Bush forgot about bin Laden, 10 billion dollars went missing, Haliburton cleaned up, violence increased, terrorism increased, civil war broke out, Bush became more incompetent.......... all reality.
REALITY.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 12, 2007 06:48:11 PM new
Nope.
Reality is ALSO understanding why some of those things were not possible to have BEFORE we needed to send the troops off to war.
Military people KNOW they go with what they have.
They're not coward liberals who think/DEMAND everything be 'perfect' before we do what needs to be done.
THAT is reality.
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And again I'll ask:
Do you, kaira, see yourself as a patriotic American????
LOL LOL
Come on....just say NO.
Tell us what an Internationalist you are. How you don't feel allegience to ANY country....even canada....and especially NOT to America.
Come on kiara.....tell us just how supportive of American VALUES and policies you REALLY are.
This isn't ONLY a Bush issue with you.
Admit it.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
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kiara
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posted on March 12, 2007 07:00:23 PM new
Since we all have to live on this planet together I see nothing wrong with trying to get along with one another, Linda_K.
I know that you won't understand or approve, having whored yourself out solely to one single leader, right or wrong.
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