Today: April 21, 2007 at 14:20:7 PDT
Investigators Probe EBay Account
By ADAM GELLER and CHRIS KAHN
Associated Press Writers
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) -
0420dv-cho-classmate An eBay account that investigators believe may have belonged to the Virginia Tech killer was used to buy ammunition for the type of gun used in the rampage, according to information on the auction site.
The eBay account holder with the handle Blazers5505 also sold several books with violent themes and tickets to Virginia Tech football games and lists Blacksburg as the account's address.
A search warrant affidavit filed Friday stated that investigators wanted to search Seung-Hui Cho's e-mail accounts, including the address [email protected].
The account holder recently bought two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22 - one of the weapons used in the massacre. The clips were bought from a gun shop in Idaho.
He also sold a graphics calculator that contained several games, and bought many books about violence, death and mayhem.
"The calculator was used for less than one semester then I dropped the class," he said.
His eBay rating was superb - 98.5 percent. Only one person gave him a negative rating. The site says the person has had an account since January 2004.
Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said investigators are "aware of the eBay activity that mirrors" the Hotmail account.
"If that is in fact Cho's account, I don't know."
The eBay material is part of investigators' efforts to pore through electronic records for a hint as to Cho's motives.
Authorities sought Cho's cell phone records on the chance he warned someone about what would become the nation's worst mass shooting in modern history. They also hope to glean any relevant information from his e-mail and that of Emily Hilscher, one of the first two victims.
"Seung-Hui Cho is known to have communicated by cellular telephone and may have communicated with others concerning his plans to carry out attacks on students and faculty at Virginia Tech," police wrote Friday in an affidavit seeking records from Verizon Wireless.
Another possible clue: his phone calls home to his parents. The affidavit states that Cho made regular calls home on Sunday evenings.
Police also sought warrants for Virginia Tech e-mail records in their hunt for a connection between Cho and Hilscher, who was killed at West Ambler Johnston Hall.
Another affidavit sought Cho's records from the student health center, and police obtained his medical and counseling files.
The contents of the affidavits were first reported by ABC News.com.
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 21, 2007 02:39 PM ]
posted on April 23, 2007 10:31:17 AM new
Ebay is just a venue. At least that's what they keep telling us.
I really hope the government comes down hard on ebay. They don't really police their site. All they are interested in is how much money "Listers" bring into them.
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If it's called common sense, why do so few Demomorons have it?
posted on April 23, 2007 08:57:44 PM new
He did not buy bullets or ammo on eBay. He bought magazines. Magazines are not the same thing as bullets. They just hold them. That's allowed.
posted on April 24, 2007 05:32:46 AM new
Good point,zippy2dah...the magazines that he purchased on Ebay were empty.
This is Ebay's policy on sales of ammunition.
Prohibited
Ammunition:
"High capacity magazines (magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds) and ammunition with propellant (such as gunpowder) cannot be listed. Blank ammunition is not allowed under our fireworks policy. In addition any bullet reloading device or any equipment used to manufacture ammunition is not permitted."
posted on April 24, 2007 08:21:40 AM new
There have been ammunition sales on ebay and as recently as in the last 12 months. I know because I bought 2 boxes of match ammo.
Ebays ban on ammo and MANY other firearm relatted items is a product of their corporate base in the great state of Kalifornia
But there ar several other auction sites where firearms and ammo is legally sold.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
[ edited by Bear1949 on Apr 24, 2007 08:25 AM ]
posted on April 24, 2007 12:55:47 PM newThere have been ammunition sales on ebay and as recently as in the last 12 months. I know because I bought 2 boxes of match ammo.
Thanks Bear for that information, in order to protect ourselves from future potential terrorists and psychos you will be reported to both ebay and the FBI so they can look into your purchases.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 24, 2007 02:08:36 PM new
Thanks Bear for that information, in order to protect ourselves from future potential terrorists and psychos you will be reported to both ebay and the FBI so they can look into your purchases.
Good luck with reporting me to ebay, fool.
So where is it illegal to purchase ammunition off an auction site of for that matter via a retailers Internet site?
And for you limited brain power ld, bullets and ammunition are two totally different things.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
[ edited by Bear1949 on Apr 24, 2007 02:10 PM ]
posted on April 24, 2007 03:28:01 PM new
Bear,
Is dealing in guns equal to dealing in death?
I have often wondered what gun dealers think about selling items that kill people.
Some Statistics from the USA in 1999 about gun deaths.
Maybe someone can find a newer report.
Did crime go up or down in the U.S. under Bush and a republican Congress?
In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)
Between 1993-1999, gun deaths in the United States have declined 27%. (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, WISQARS, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)
In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)
Of all suicides, 57% occurred by firearm (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS), National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)
In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports for the United States: Crime in the United States 2000: Uniform Crime Reports. Washington, D.C: U.S. Department of Justice; 2001.)
posted on April 24, 2007 06:57:48 PM new
Classic, The United Nations reported 28,076 violent deaths of Iraqi civilians in the first 10 months of 2006.
Hey Classic, I warn you after your move to Baghdad you can't being saying "Jesus" any longer but you could invite John McCain over for a walk in the park.
Mass transit in Minneapolis is having gun problems this year.
In the first attack, a man trying to calm down rowdy behavior on a bus in Minneapolis was shot in the chest March 8 but survived. A 15-year-old boy was facing attempted murder charges.
Early Sunday, a 16-year-old boy was shot to death on a bus in downtown St. Paul.
posted on April 24, 2007 08:45:22 PM new
It's amazing how the neocons belittle the deaths of our soldiers by saying "Oh well, everybody dies anyway"....very obvious that they don't support the troops or appreciate the sacrifices they make. How that MUST demoralize the troops.....
posted on April 24, 2007 08:58:38 PM new
Some Statistics from the USA in 1999
What was your favorite quote a short time ago? Something about "those living in the past are doomed".
Apparently you are still living in the past or dont you realize it is 2007 and firearm deaths in the US have decreased since the "assault gun" gun ban expired.
Dealing in death, hardly, a firearm is a tool. Just like a automobile (which kills more people yearly than any 10 years of deaths attributed to firearms). Or what about abortions, or the number of people that died in the operating room while under a doctors care.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on April 25, 2007 07:32:08 AM newApparently you are still living in the past or dont you realize it is 2007 and firearm deaths in the US have decreased since the "assault gun" gun ban expired.
Can you provide any proof that the expiration of the "assult gun" ban specifically led to a decrease in the number of deaths? Could the decrease in deaths have been due to other factors?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 25, 2007 07:41:07 AM new
Bear says about "Dealing in death, hardly, a firearm is a tool. Just like a automobile (which kills more people yearly than any 10 years of deaths attributed to firearms). Or what about abortions, or the number of people that died in the operating room while under a doctors care."
Bear said a gun is a "tool".
I say Bear is right a gun is a tool, a tool that is designed to kill.
I ask Bear a gun dealer how it feels to be a seller of items that kill. Bear answer dodges the question like the good conservative new-con he is and talks about cars,abortions,operating rooms.
Simply put the conservatives new-cons have no good answers to the violence in America or in the Bush Iraq war.
posted on April 25, 2007 08:08:17 AM new
He probably feels the exact same way as a car salesman or the guy in Macy's who sold you those fancy steak knives. I know I would.
posted on April 25, 2007 08:16:57 AM new
Waco, the fact that you are too dense to understand any of my responses is proof enough for all to understand why you wife doesn't allow you to have a credit card, checking account, or even a automobile in your name.
I could list statistics and links to the FBI & ATF web sites, proving my statement, though you still wouldn't believe those facts and figures because of your obvious lack of reading skills.
I fully understand the only reason you are a antigunnazi is that you couldn't pass the NICS background verification because of your mental condition and you dont understand why those who can and do pass the background check would wish to defend themselves from the likes of you.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on April 25, 2007 11:32:05 AM newI could list statistics and links to the FBI & ATF web sites, proving my statement, though you still wouldn't believe those facts and figures because of your obvious lack of reading skills.
Please do list the links if they exist. Unless this is just another one of your wild reasonings like "No more terrorists flying planes into buildings = Bush's terrorists policies have worked"
On second thought I decided to look up the "statistics" myself.
The assault gun ban was not renewed in 2004 and according to you "firearm deaths in the US have decreased since the "assault gun" gun ban expired." That would make 2005 the first full year without the assault gun ban.
Firearm-related crime has plummeted since 1993, then slightly increased in 2005.
Nonfatal firearm crime rates have declined since 1994, before increasing in 2005.
After 1996, less than 10% of nonfatal violent crimes involved firearm.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 25, 2007 01:45:30 PM new
Two different initial accounts BY THE MSM PRESS.....say he did purchase them OFF EBAY.
Two here have denied that.
Where's YOUR references proving he didn't?
OR that the magazines WERE, in fact, EMPTY?
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ABC
By ADAM GELLER and CHRIS KAHN
BLACKSBURG, Va. Apr 21, 2007 (AP)—
An eBay account that investigators believe may have belonged to the Virginia Tech killer was used to buy ammunition for the type of gun used in the rampage, according to information on the auction site.
The eBay account holder with the handle Blazers5505 also sold several books with violent themes and tickets to Virginia Tech football games and lists Blacksburg as the account's address.
A search warrant affidavit filed Friday stated that investigators wanted to search Seung-Hui Cho's e-mail accounts, including the address [email protected].
The account holder recently bought two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22 one of the weapons used in the massacre. The clips were bought from a gun shop in Idaho.
He also sold a graphics calculator that contained several games, and bought many books about violence, death and mayhem.
"The calculator was used for less than one semester then I dropped the class," he said.
His eBay rating was superb 98.5 percent. Only one person gave him a negative rating. The site says the person has had an account since January 2004.
Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said investigators are "aware of the eBay activity that mirrors" the Hotmail account. "If that is in fact Cho's account, I don't know."
The eBay material is part of investigators' efforts to pore through electronic records for a hint as to Cho's motives.
Authorities sought Cho's cell phone records on the chance he warned someone about what would become the nation's worst mass shooting in modern history.
They also hope to glean any relevant information from his e-mail and that of Emily Hilscher, one of the first two victims.
"Seung-Hui Cho is known to have communicated by cellular telephone and may have communicated with others concerning his plans to carry out attacks on students and faculty at Virginia Tech," police wrote Friday in an affidavit seeking records from Verizon Wireless.
Another possible clue: his phone calls home to his parents. The affidavit states that Cho made regular calls home on Sunday evenings.
posted on April 26, 2007 09:08:54 AM new
I see Bear can not support proof for his statement: "it is 2007 and firearm deaths in the US have decreased since the "assault gun" gun ban expired."
So Bear where are all these FBI statistics that support your claim.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Are YOU a Bunghole?
- it's not JUST with you. He does it with ALL posts made to him.