posted on May 20, 2007 05:51:33 PM new
I've seen articles just like this one, several times, and often wonder how many others ever see them.
I think it's important for us to see how easily we can be FALSELY informed about things that just weren't true. Especially by those who have their agenda of being anti-war.
Then later....when I worry few are listening....we learn we were fooled...and those liars weren't telling the press the truth. Thus giving us a very false impression about what IS really happening in Iraq.
Here's another one:
Phony Soldier Charged With Making Up Claims of Atrocities in Iraq
Sunday, May 20, 2007
SEATTLE — A man who tried to position himself as a leader of the anti-war movement by claiming to have participated in war crimes while serving in Iraq is facing federal charges of falsifying his record.
Jesse Adam Macbeth, 23, formerly of Phoenix, garnered attention on blogs and in some alternative media after he began claiming in 2005 to have been awarded a Purple Heart for his service, which he said included slaughtering innocents in a Fallujah mosque. His story was contradicted by his discharge form, showing that he was kicked out of the Army after six weeks at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003 because of his “entry level performance and conduct.”
A complaint unsealed Friday in U.S. District Court in Seattle charged him with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate, and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.
Macbeth’s public defender, Jay Stansell, declined to comment.
Organizations that opposed the war, including Iraq Veterans Against the War, posted videos or statements containing Macbeth’s claims on their Web sites. In one videotaped interview, a skinny, stuttering Macbeth, dressed in a camouflage jacket, described slaughtering hundreds of people in a mosque: “We would burn their bodies ... hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque,” he said.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 20, 2007 05:54 PM ]
[ edited by Linda_K on May 20, 2007 05:55 PM ]
posted on May 20, 2007 06:26:39 PM new
As long as the drive by media is controlled by the leftist liberal agenda, no.
But then there have always been those few delusional hero wanna be's that insist on drawing attention to their claims of military service. I've never heard of anyone claiming service in WWI, WWII or Korea. It wasn't until after Nam that unwarranted claims of heroism (like Kerry's) or medals not awarded have been published.
In this case this guy needs to be given a fair trial, then shot for treason.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on May 20, 2007 06:34:59 PM new
I'd agree to that.
But he'll more likely be given a slap on the hand and told not to do it again.
These are the types of articles that Americans USE to form their opinions of how the war is going. IF they believe these LIES....one can see why they'd form the positions they do.
But then imo,....intelligent people who actually support America would question who's 'telling' / posting these 'accounts' from others than our military on the ground.....UNLESS it could be fully verified.
But sadly, too many are willing to believe ANYTHING that's in print....and then take positions AGAINST America.
I'd just like to see these CORRECTIONS printed on the front page of all liberal MSM to inform the public of the TRUTH....so they'd not be so quit to believe anything they post.
posted on May 20, 2007 08:31:03 PM newAs long as the drive by media is controlled by the leftist liberal agenda, no.
Bear, I'm not sure who you mean by the "drive by media", but I'm guessing it's that evil "MSM" you're always talking about. I didn't search all of the big news sites, but a search for Jesse Adam Macbeth on CNN and MSNBC turns up brief mentions of the story of his prosecution and nothing more. Most of the links in a google search on him turn up similar stories in various right wing blogs. Looks like he was roundly ignored by the so called leftist MSM and most of his mileage is coming from conservative pundits. Huh.......
posted on May 20, 2007 08:44:34 PM new
From the link provided.
Maybe this is why you couldn't find it:
"Iraq Veterans Against the War and other organizations removed the claims after learning they were false."
I believe any honest person can easily see the MSM is always anti-war....usually anti-Bush admin...and the only place you find more information on a lot of issues IS on conservatives websites.
The liberal MSM covers up a lot for those they support....like hillary right now.
And their total bias against the war OFTEN posts articles like this one....but then any retraction or correction is listed weeks and weeks later....IF at all.
posted on May 20, 2007 08:49:17 PM newMacbeth joined Iraq Veterans Against the War in January of 2006, and represented, or was scheduled to represent them on several occasions. The group publicly severed ties with Macbeth on May 27, 2006, noting in a statement that "...Jesse is not what he represented himself to be."
posted on May 20, 2007 08:56:32 PM new
LOL....now wikipedia is consider a normal NEWS source for average America's to hear about these lies????
Yep...I bet the general public is just flocking to wikipedia to get the CORRECT NEWS/STORIES. Not. lol
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The GITMO false accusations were another example of the MSM press hopping on anything negative. Then they had to correct a lot of those LIES also.
Same thing with Iraq reporters in Iraq....giving MSM false information about all the terrible things our soldiers were supposedly doing.
I've argued here many a time that UNTIL those reports can actually be verified....they shouldn't be believed.
But the anti-war people will believe anything that they read. Who cares if all the dan rather's didn't bother to verify their FALSE reports they've talked about/written about and FALSELY given the American public incorrect information. http://www.ratherbiased.com
Even the AP is now having to correct what they've been in such a hurry to post NEGATIVE news on their site.
I used to think at least we could believe the WIRE services....understanding that reuters was left leaning.
But no longer. They all have an anti-war agenda. And the liberal left doesn't care if the public is getting the truth, the full story...etc. As long as it supports their political position...that's all that matter to them.
Truth be damned.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 20, 2007 09:01 PM ]
posted on May 20, 2007 08:59:56 PM new
Soldier: Army ordered me not to tell truth about Tillman
POSTED: 10:39 a.m. EDT, April 25, 2007
Story Highlights• Soldier says his account of incident was altered after he wrote it
• Inspector general says investigators did not inspect computer
• Last soldier to see NFL hero alive says he was ordered not to divulge truth
• "The truth is always more heroic than the hype," Jessica Lynch tells panel
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The last soldier to see Army Ranger Pat Tillman alive, Spc. Bryan O'Neal, told lawmakers that he was warned by superiors not to divulge -- especially to the Tillman family -- that a fellow soldier killed Tillman.
O'Neal particularly wanted to tell fellow soldier Kevin Tillman, who was in the convoy traveling behind his brother at the time of the 2004 incident in Afghanistan.
"I wanted right off the bat to let the family know what had happened, especially Kevin, because I worked with him in a platoon and I knew that he and the family all needed to know what had happened," O'Neal testified. "I was quite appalled that when I was actually able to speak with Kevin, I was ordered not to tell him."
Asked who gave him the order, O'Neal replied that it came from his battalion commander, then-Lt. Col. Jeff Bailey.
"He basically just said ... 'Do not let Kevin know, that he's probably in a bad place knowing his brother's dead,' " O'Neal told House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman. "And he made it known I would get in trouble, sir, if I spoke with Kevin on it being fratricide."
The military instead released a "manufactured narrative" detailing how Pat Tillman died leading a courageous counterattack in an Afghan mountain pass, Kevin Tillman told the committee. (Watch Kevin Tillman accuse the military of lying )
Also Tuesday, former Pfc. Jessica Lynch told the House panel that the military lied about her capture.
Lynch testified that after her vehicle was attacked in Iraq in March 2003, she suffered a mangled spinal column, broken arm, crushed foot, shattered femur and even a sexual assault.
But it only added insult to injury, literally, when she returned to her parents' home in West Virginia, which "was under siege by media all repeating the story of the little girl 'Rambo' from the hills of West Virginia who went down fighting," Lynch said. (Watch Lynch set the record straight )
"It was not true," she said before gently chiding the military. "The truth is always more heroic than the hype."
Waxman, D-California, said the military "invented" tales about Tillman and Lynch. (Watch Lynch describe her bond with the Tillman family )
"The bare minimum we owe our soldiers and their families is the truth," Waxman said. "That didn't happen for two of the most famous soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."
Brother calls tale 'calculated lies'
As the tide was turning in the U.S. battle against Afghan insurgents -- and as media outlets prepared to release reports on detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib in Iraq -- the military saw Pat Tillman's death as an "opportunity," Kevin Tillman told the panel.
Even after it became clear the report was bogus, the military clung to the "utter fiction" that Pat Tillman was killed by a member of his platoon who was following the rules of engagement, the brother said.
"Revealing that Pat's death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster during a month already swollen with disasters," Kevin Tillman said. "The facts needed to be suppressed. An alternative narrative had to be constructed, crucial evidence destroyed."
Tillman bristled at the military claim that the initial report was merely misleading.
Clearly resentful, he told the panel that writing a field report stating that his brother had been "transferred to an intensive care unit for continued CPR after most of his head had been taken off by multiple 5.56 rounds is not misleading."
"These are deliberate and calculated lies," he said.
Pat Tillman, who became a national hero after he gave up a lucrative contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to join the Army's elite Rangers force, was awarded the Silver Star, the military's third-highest combat decoration, after the Army said he was killed leading a counterattack.
O'Neal testified that his superiors had him write a statement about the incident for Tillman's Silver Star commendation. He said the final version contained false statements about enemy fire that had been inserted by someone else.
Thomas F. Gimble, the Defense Department's acting inspector general, said that investigators could not determine who altered O'Neal's statement and that no attempt was made to examine the document's electronic history.
The Army later acknowledged not only that Tillman was killed by his fellow soldiers, but that officers in Tillman's chain of command knew the counterattack story was bogus.
Still, Senior Chief Petty Officer Stephen White told the official heroism-under-fire story at a May 3, 2004, memorial service for Tillman.
"It's a horrible thing that happened with Pat," White, a Navy SEAL who was Tillman's friend, told the committee. "I'm the guy that told America how he died, basically, at that memorial. It was incorrect. That does not sit well with me."
Though the military blamed the erroneous report on an inadequate initial investigation, Mary Tillman told ESPN Radio last month that everyone involved in the shooting knew immediately that her son had been shot three times in the head by a member of his platoon.
"The Tillman family was kept in the dark for more than a month," Waxman said. "Evidence was destroyed. Witness statements were doctored. The Tillman family wants to know how all of this could've happened."
Lynch: Truth 'not always easy'
Lynch's testimony began with a recollection of the March 23, 2003, attack and her purported rescue nine days later.
As she and her fellow 11 soldiers drove through Nassiriya, Iraq, they noticed armed men standing in the streets and on rooftops. Three soldiers were quickly killed when a rocket-propelled grenade slammed into their vehicle, Lynch said.
The other eight died in the ensuing fighting or from injuries suffered during the fighting, she said. Lynch later woke up at Saddam Hussein General Hospital.
"When I awoke, I did not know where I was. I could not move. I could not call for help. I could not fight," she said, explaining she had a six-inch gash in her head and numerous broken bones. "The nurses at the hospital tried to soothe me, and they even tried unsuccessfully at one point to return me to Americans."
On April 1, U.S. troops came for her.
"A soldier came into the room. He tore the American flag from his uniform, and he handed it to me in my hand and he told me, 'We're American soldiers, and we're here to take you home.' And I looked at him and I said, 'Yes, I'm an American soldier, too,' " she recalled.
She was distraught to come home and find herself billed as a hero when two of her fellow soldiers had fought bravely until the firefight's end and another had died after picking up soldiers and removing them from harm's way.
"The American people are capable of determining their own ideals for heroes, and they don't need to be told elaborate lies," she said. "I had the good fortune to come home and to tell the truth. Many soldiers, like Pat Tillman, did not have that opportunity.
"The truth of war is not always easy. The truth is always more heroic than the hype," she said.
Lynch became a celebrity after U.S. troops filmed what they said was a daring raid on the hospital. Hospital staffers, however, said there were no Iraqi troops at the hospital when the purported rescue took place.
In the March 23, 2003, attack, Lynch, the Army claimed, was shot and stabbed during a fierce gun battle with Iraqi troops that left 11 of her comrades dead. It was later learned that Lynch never fired a shot during the firefight because her gun was jammed with sand. """
posted on May 20, 2007 09:06:31 PM new LOL....now wikipedia is consider a normal NEWS source for average America's to hear about these lies????
Oh, I didn't see that ONLY links to 'normal NEWS sources' were allowed here now and none from any other sources online. Guess when I went away last week the rules changed. Sorry!
Please post a list of 'normal NEWS sources' so I know where to post links from in the future.
posted on May 20, 2007 09:24:05 PM newWe were talking about the actions of MSM...even the profe mentioned MSM
I realize that.
But I read some information about Macbeth joining Iraq Veterans Against the War on Wikipedia and decided to post it here. I didn't see that I was also supposed to mention MSM like you and Profe did.
posted on May 21, 2007 06:39:21 AM newI think it's important for us to see how easily we can be FALSELY informed about things that just weren't true. Especially by those who have their agenda of being anti-war.
Should be especially by those who are Republican and have their pro war agenda. If you read Media Matters, you will see all the lies and half truths that are spilled on the conservative news sites such as Fox News, CNN and talk shows such as Rush Limbaugh.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 21, 2007 06:53:13 AM newAs long as the drive by media is controlled by the leftist liberal agenda, no.
The Sunday-morning talk shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC are where the prevailing opinions are aired and tested, policymakers state their cases, and the left and right in American politics debate the pressing issues of the day on equal ground. Both sides have their say and face probing questions. Or so you would think.
In fact, as this study reveals, conservative voices significantly outnumber progressive voices on the Sunday talk shows. Media Matters for America conducted a content analysis of ABC's This Week, CBS' Face the Nation, and NBC's Meet the Press, classifying each one of the nearly 7,000 guest appearances during President Bill Clinton's second term, President George W. Bush's first term, and the year 2005 as either Democrat, Republican, conservative, progressive, or neutral. The conclusion is clear: Republicans and conservatives have been offered more opportunities to appear on the Sunday shows - in some cases, dramatically so.
Among the study's key findings:
The balance between Democrats/progressives and Republicans/conservatives was roughly equal during Clinton's second term, with a slight edge toward Republicans/conservatives: 52 percent of the ideologically identifiable guests were from the right, and 48 percent were from the left. But in Bush's first term, Republicans/ conservatives held a dramatic advantage, outnumbering Democrats/progressives by 58 percent to 42 percent. In 2005, the figures were an identical 58 percent to 42 percent.
Counting only elected officials and administration representatives, Democrats had a small advantage during Clinton's second term: 53 percent to 45 percent. In Bush's first term, however, the Republican advantage was 61 percent to 39 percent -- nearly three times as large.
In both the Clinton and Bush administrations, conservative journalists were far more likely to appear on the Sunday shows than were progressive journalists. In Clinton's second term, 61 percent of the ideologically identifiable journalists were conservative; in Bush's first term, that figure rose to 69 percent.
In 1997 and 1998, the shows conducted more solo interviews with Democrats/progressives than with Republicans/conservatives. But in every year since, there have been more solo interviews with Republicans/conservatives.
The most frequent Sunday show guest during this nine-year period is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who has appeared 124 times. Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) has been the most frequent guest since 2003.
In every year examined by the study -- 1997 - 2005 -- more panels tilted right (a greater number of Republicans/conservatives than Democrats/progressives) than tilted left. In some years, there were two, three, or even four times as many right-titled panels as left-tilted panels.
Congressional opponents of the Iraq war were largely absent from the Sunday shows, particularly during the period just before the war began.
In short, the Sunday talk shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC are dominated by conservative voices, from newsmakers to commentators. The data from the Clinton years indicate that the disparity cannot be explained simply by the fact that Republicans currently control the government.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 21, 2007 09:54:49 AM new
Looks like he was roundly ignored by the so called leftist MSM and most of his mileage is coming from conservative pundits. Huh..
Who are bringing out the truth because the MSM knows it wont further its agenda.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on May 21, 2007 01:15:18 PM new
Media matters??? LOL LOL
Yep, that internationalist SOROS pretty much owns that liberal site.
AIM [Accuracy in the Media] points out all the falsehoods the liberals make.
Along with timeswatch.org. LOL
They're always pointing out the deception and out and out lies....their constant use of 'stories' with mostly 'anonymous' sources reporting. Which, by the way, they've PROMISED AND PROMISED to stop doing as MUCH as they continue to do.
LOL LOL LOL
And anyone reading the 'correction' page of the NYT will see how often they post INCORRECT news - they've HAD to correct. Matter of fact they've had TWO management changeovers where their staff has been FIRED for continuing to write false articles....or where they steal them from some OTHER source without giving credit to the OTHER source.
posted on May 21, 2007 04:38:33 PM newYep, that internationalist SOROS pretty much owns that liberal site.
Two peas in a pod - Rush and Linda. Both wrong on their information.
I know how you must rely on Rush's every word for your news. You are both living in a state of denial. When you come back to reality you will wish you were living in Iraq Linda.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
