"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on June 10, 2007 12:12:03 PM
Linda: I can only speak for our family and our liberal friends; we have never lost admiration for Colin Powell. The fact that Obama would seek information on foreign matters speaks well for him, and the fact that Powell would tell him what he thinks speaks well for HIM! Obama is just proving again that he's a consensus builder, a thoughtful man who looks for good advice wherever he can find it.
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posted on June 10, 2007 02:34:05 PM
Yes, it will be interesting to see if anyone else seeks out his opinions.
"I've been around this town a long time and I know everybody who is running for office. And I make myself available to talk about foreign policy matters and military matters with whoever wishes to chat with me," Powell said."
But liberals here had bashed Powell at one time....so it surprised me that obama would seek him out.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on June 10, 2007 02:37:54 PM
I just don't recall any bashing from the liberals, Linda. I remember serious disappointment that he'd align himself with Bush. I truly believe there's widespread admiration for Powell, across party lines.
I further believe he got out of this administration at the point he realized what sort of people he was dealing with, and what their mental capacities were.
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posted on June 10, 2007 07:37:07 PM
Oh linduh! You are stretching now
""But liberals here had bashed Powell at one time....so it surprised me that obama would seek him out. ""
Hahaha!! What a perfect example of linduh's inability to reason ..LOL!!!
I got news for ya....SURPRISE ! Obama does not seek advice from liberals, or anyone else, in Vendio chatrooms...no matter what anyone said here I think Obama does as he pleases without our permission...
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on June 11, 2007 07:15:46 AM
What do you mean by "listen" ?
Do you mean believe every word and follow instructions?
I don't think Obama is that kind of person.
And what would Powell tell Obama that he doesn't already know?
Don't lie about WMD.
Don't just plan to start a war.
IF you have to go to war PLAN IT.
IF you have to go to war PREPARE for it so that troops are not slaughtered through incompetance.
IF you have to go to war PLAN for the aftermath.
Close Guantanamo.
Now linduh it's summer...go outside and play.
[ edited by mingotree on Jun 11, 2007 07:16 AM ]
posted on June 12, 2007 02:27:25 PM
Powell: Close Guantanamo Now, Restore Habeas
This morning on NBC’s Meet the Press, Gen. Colin Powell strongly condemned the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, calling it “a major problem for America’s perception” and charging, “if it was up to me, I would close Guantanamo — not tomorrow, this afternoon.”
He also called for an end to the military commission system the Bush administration has created to try Guantanamo detainees. “I would simply move them to the United States and put them into our federal legal system,” Powell said. He scoffed at criticism that the detainees would have access to lawyers and the writ of habeas corpus: “So what? Let them. Isn’t that what our system’s all about?”
“[E]very morning I pick up a paper and some authoritarian figure, some person somewhere, is using Guantanamo to hide their own misdeeds,” Powell said. “[W]e have shaken the belief that the world had in America’s justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open… We don’t need it, and it’s causing us far more damage than any good we get for it.”
Watch it:
Powell also sounded off on conservatives, including Vice President Cheney, who oppose diplomacy with Syria and Iran, calling their view “short-sighted.” Powell endorsed direct talks “not to solve a particular problem or crisis of the moment or the day, but just to have dialogue with people who are involved in this region in so many ways.”
Transcript:
POWELL: But in this arc, which is centered now in Iraq, we have serious difficulties. Serious difficulties that have to be resolved, one, by getting this civil war resolved, and it’s going to take the Iraqis to do that. Two, I believe we should be talking to all of Iraq’s neighbors. I think we should be talking to Iran, we should be talking to Syria, not to solve a particular problem or crisis of the moment or the day, but just to have dialogue with people who are involved in this region in so many ways. And so I think it is short-sighted not to talk to Syria and Iran and everybody else in the region, and not just for the purpose of making a demand on them, and “I’ll only talk to you if you meet the demand I want to talk to you about.” That’s not the way to have a dialogue in my judgment.
RUSSERT: Guantanamo. Torture. When John McCain was seeking ways to deal with the issue of torture, you wrote him a letter and said this: “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism.”
POWELL: Right.
RUSSERT: What do you mean?
POWELL: They are. Guantanamo has become a major, a major problem for America’s perception — as it’s seen, the way the world perceives America. And if it was up to me, I would close Guantanamo — not tomorrow, this afternoon. I’d close it. And I’d not let any of those people go. I would simply move them to the United States and put them into our federal legal system. The concern was, well, then they’ll have access to lawyers, then they’ll have access to writs of habeas corpus. So what? Let them. Isn’t that what our system’s all about? And by the way, America, unfortunately, has too many people in jail, all of whom had lawyers and access to writs of habeas corpus. And so we can handle bad people in our system. And so I would get rid of Guantanamo and I’d get rid of the military commissions system, and use established procedures in federal law or in the manual for courts martial. I would do that because it’s more equatable and it’s more understandable in constitutional terms. But I’d also do it because every morning I pick up a paper and some authoritarian figure, some person somewhere, is using Guantanamo to hide their own misdeeds. So essentially we have shaken the belief that the world had in America’s justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission. We don’t need it, and it’s causing us far more damage than any good we get for it. But remember what I started this discussion saying, don’t let any of them go. Put them in a different system, a system that is experienced, that knows how to handle people like this.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on June 13, 2007 06:29:34 AM
Oh thank you linduh for the WHOLE transcript which is quite lengthy. I posted a part I found interesting. Did you read it all????
I didn't think so.
BTW, I sure didn't see anything funny about it....why are you LOLing ? Just can't stop??? High? Nuts? Or all three?
posted on June 13, 2007 07:54:40 AM
".why are you LOLing ? Just can't stop??? High? Nuts? Or all three?"
Let's see if I can guess: Linda probably thinks the fact that a despised Democrat is consulting a Republican is a major triumph for her party. And somehow shows that Bush was right all along. Fuzzy fuzzy thinking.
What it shows is that Barack Obama is willing to get good information from any source that can give it, including someone he and many of us have admired over the years--Colin Powell.
A mark of true maturity is being able to acknowledge truth no matter where it comes from, instead of pigeonholing everyone.
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posted on June 13, 2007 03:16:26 PM
Linda, you are amusingly hopeless.
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posted on June 13, 2007 04:15:55 PM
I don't see you as "amusingly" anything, roadsmith. Except maybe "amusingly" pitiful in your constant false ASSUMPTIONS about others/me.
Posting what others/I "probably" think of anything, rather than just speaking for yourself, shows a pretty DESPERATE need for any attention from me.
Grow up...speak for yourself, what YOU "probably" think. All you posted about what ***I**** "probably" think is WRONG.
posted on June 13, 2007 04:55:54 PM
Here's the problem, Linda: What you posted originally (Democrats probably angry with Obama because he consulted with Powell) doesn't make any sense. Hence, we're left trying to figure out where you're coming from.
You make statements about something YOU've posted, and the statements don't seem to follow from what you posted.
If you made yourself clearer, as to why you're saying what you do, we wouldn't have to guess.
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posted on June 13, 2007 06:04:41 PM
"""Linda_K
posted on June 13, 2007 05:00:04 PM new
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roadsmith....you can't even get what I DID say correct. LOL
Give it up. It's obviously too much for you to grasp.
And weren't YOU the GANG leader here who were going to IGNORE me? LOL NOw pretending you want to understand what I've said.
It's quite simple, quite clear and that YOU don't get it...is YOUR problem
Just don't SPEAK for me. Soeak for yourself."""
Translated from linduhspeak to the truth....
"I posted something that I hoped would upset the lefties but it backfired ...nobody really gave a damn or else thought it was a good idea which
took the wind outta my sails and I didn't get the good fight I was hoping for...LOL!"
