posted on June 28, 2007 10:25:29 AM new
Thank God for small favors. So ALL haven't lost their minds, totally. lol And the way they kept changing what was in the bill, minute by minute some sharp senators were calling for the WHOLE thing to be read before they voted on it....lol...because they kept changing it....minute by minute. lol
The Senate, much to old drunkard kennedy's dismay, has blocked the immigration bill.
What they need to do is simply pass a bill that all states, cities WILL start enforcing our present immigration bills.
Rather than allowing all the liberals states/cities decide they will WELCOME with open arms....all those illegals who BREAK our laws.
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Senate Blocks Immigration Bill
Jun 28 01:09 PM US/Eastern
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate drove a stake Thursday through President Bush's plan to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants, likely postponing major action on immigration until after the 2008 elections.
After the stinging political setback, Bush sounded resigned to defeat.
"Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people, and Congress' failure to act on it is a disappointment," he said after an appearance in Newport, R.I. "A lot of us worked hard to see if we couldn't find common ground. It didn't work."
The bill's Senate supporters fell 14 votes short of the 60 needed to limit debate and clear the way for final passage of the legislation, which critics assailed as offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. The vote was 46 to 53 in favor of limiting the debate.
Some senators in both parties said the issue is so volatile that Congress is unlikely to revisit it this fall or next year, when the presidential election will increasingly dominate American politics. t
Bush appeared glum as he spoke. His negotiators had expressed optimism the vote would go their way—or, at least be closer.
"Congress really needs to prove to the American people that it can come together on hard issues," Bush said. He turned attention to other his other goals in Congress this year, including energy, health care and balanced-budget initiatives.
Last year a similar immigration effort collapsed in Congress, and the House has not bothered with an immigration bill this year, awaiting Senate action.
The vote was a defeat for a bipartisan group of lawmakers who advocated the bill as an imperfect but necessary fix of current immigration practices in which many illegal immigrants use forged documents or lapsed visas to live and work in the United States.
It was a victory for Republican conservatives who strongly criticized the bill's provisions that would have established pathways to lawful status for many of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. They were aided by talk radio and TV hosts who repeatedly attacked the bill and urged listeners to flood Congress with calls, faxes and e-mails.
Voting to allow the bill to proceed by ending debate were 33 Democrats, 12 Republicans and independent Joe Lieberman, Conn. Voting to block the bill by not limiting debate were 37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and independent Bernard Sanders, Vt. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., did not vote.
The bill would have toughened border security and instituted a new system for weeding out illegal immigrants from workplaces. It would have created a new guest worker program and allowed millions of illegal immigrants to obtain legal status if they briefly returned home.
Bush, making a last-ditch bid to salvage the bill, called senators early Thursday morning to urge their support. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez approached senators as they entered and left the chamber shortly before the vote.
But conservatives from Bush's own party led the opposition. They repeatedly said the government must secure the borders before allowing millions of illegal aliens a path to legal status.
Sen. Elizabeth H. Dole, R-N.C., said many Americans "don't have confidence" that borders, especially with Mexico, will be significantly tightened. "It's not just promises but proof that the American people want," Dole said.
But the bill's backers said border security and accommodations to illegal immigrants must go hand in hand.
"Year after year, we've had the broken borders," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "Year after year, we've seen the exploitation of workers."
After the vote, he said: "It is now clear that we are not going to complete our work on immigration reform. That is enormously disappointing for Congress and for the country." Kennedy, a chief proponent of the bill, said, "we will be back. This issue is not going away."
But before the vote, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told colleagues the political climate almost surely would not allow a serious reconsideration until 2009 or later. It would be highly unlikely, she said, "in the next few years to fix the existing system ... . We are so close."
From the beginning, the bill's most forceful opponents were southern Republicans. GOP Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana, Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Jeff Sessions of Alabama led the charge, often backed by Texan John Cornyn.
Two southern Republicans—Lindsey Graham, S.C., and Mel Martinez, Fla., who was born in Cuba—supported it.
Also crucial to the bill's demise was opposition from three Democrats recently elected from GOP-leaning states: Jon Tester of Montana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Jim Webb of Virginia.
All the Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate voted to end debate and advance the bill. Among the Republican candidates, only Sen. John McCain of Arizona voted to keep the measure alive. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., at first voted with McCain, but switched his vote when it was clear the bid to end debate would fail.
Sessions said on the Senate floor after the vote that Americans "are not mean-spirited, but they are concerned about a lawful system of immigration."
DeMint told reporters, "I think the only victory here is for the American people and, symbolically, a government of the people and for the people. The people responded to this issue in a very emotional and just a very engaged way, which changed the minds of many people here in the Senate."
DeMint said he hoped "we'll proceed with the security and enforcement aspects of this bill, and that will pave the way of how we solve some of the other problems."
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The bill is S 1639.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 28, 2007 10:28 AM ]
posted on June 28, 2007 11:10:19 AM new
No....might be you feel that way....see it that way....because YOU worship ME. But you are off base, once again. As usual I should say.
And you prove it each and everyday...by calling out for any spec of attention from me.
You're like a little puppy....following me all over....each and everyday.
It's called obsession, sybil. YOUR obsession, crowfarm/mingotree/sybil/Linda Blair
posted on June 28, 2007 11:49:24 AM new
Good attempt at dodging the issue of bushit LOSING but read the following ....who's the puppy begging for attention? Who held a gun to your head and FORCED you to reply to my OP ???
Show me!!!
mingotree
posted on June 23, 2007 09:17:47 PM
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Roadside Bombs Kill 7 US Troops in Iraq
Updated 10:33 PM ET June 23, 2007
By KIM GAMEL
BAGHDAD (AP) - Roadside bombers killed seven U.S. troops Saturday, four of them in a single blast near Baghdad, and an eighth soldier died of a non-combat cause _ raising to at least 28 the number of American soldiers killed in the past week.
Explosions aimed at U.S. patrols that kill several troops at once are common, but the recent frequency of such large-scale attacks may signal militants are using larger bombs or explosively formed penetrators, known as EFPs, as they fight back against a series of U.S. military operations.
The military has staged a series of counterattacks this week on roadside bomb factories and insurgent strongholds where stockpiles of explosives have been uncovered.
U.S. forces using tips from Iraqi informants raided a safe house before dawn on Saturday and detained three militants with suspected of ties to Iran, the military said. The operation in Sadr City, Baghdad's main Shiite enclave, was the latest in a series of raids on targets where militiamen are believed to have ties to Iran.
The United States claims Iran is arming Shiite militias and some Sunni insurgents with EFPs, which have killed hundreds of U.S. troops in recent months.
In the deadliest attack Saturday, four U.S. soldiers were killed and an Iraqi interpreter was wounded when a bomb blew up their vehicle during combat operations northwest of Baghdad.
Roadside bombs also killed a U.S. airman in Tikrit, and two U.S. soldiers in eastern Baghdad whose unit had recently targeted roadside bomb networks, the military said. In addition, a British soldier died Saturday of wounds from a roadside bombing a day earlier in the southern city of Basra. A U.S. soldier also died Saturday of a non-combat cause, the military said.
Since Sunday, two other roadside bombs have killed nine troops in the Baghdad region _ five northeast of the capital on Thursday and four in western Baghdad on Wednesday.
The U.S. military also cracked down elsewhere in Iraq, killing seven al-Qaida fighters and 10 suspects in several areas _ Tikrit, Mosul, east of Fallujah and south of Baghdad.
The military said in a statement that the raid in Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's hometown 80 miles north of Baghdad, had targeted a senior leader of al-Qaida in Iraq. Two men were shot to death as they sped toward U.S. forces in a vehicle that was found to have a bomb on the back seat. Two other suspects believed to have ties to a militant leader were detained, the military said.
At least 38 Iraqis were killed or found dead across Iraq, including 15 in Baghdad, who were shot to death after being tortured.
Amid the violence, two Sunni Arab political blocs threatened to boycott the 275-seat parliament, demanding reinstatement of Speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, a Sunni. The Shiite-dominated legislature wants him to step down and has named his Shiite deputy, Khaled al-Attiya, as a temporary replacement.
Many legislators viewed al-Mashhandani's erratic behavior as unbecoming and a hindrance to parliament's ability to pass key benchmark legislation as demanded by Washington.
Kurds in northern Iraq, meanwhile, prepared for Sunday's announcement of a verdict against Saddam's cousin, Chemical Ali, and other defendants who could face the death penalty for the 1980s crackdown against the ethnic minority.
Many said they were looking forward to closure, anticipating the harshest penalty against Ali Hassan al-Majid, Saddam's cousin and the former head of the Baath Party's Northern Bureau Command.
He is accused of ordering the use of chemical weapons against Kurds in the late 1980s scorched-earth campaign. Saddam feared the Kurds were siding with Iran during the eight-year war between Baghdad and Tehran.
"Finally, the past hard days are gone. I am ready to start over without this burden on my chest," said Lokman Abdul-Qader, a 40-year-old resident of Halabja who lost six relatives in a chemical attack and says he has suffered from acute asthma attacks since he inhaled the nerve and mustard gas that was used.
Al-Majid has denied he was responsible for the Halabja attack or others that earned him the nickname "Chemical Ali."
The prosecution says 180,000 people, mostly civilians, were killed in the operation. The defendants who face charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity, have claimed they were acting on orders and the campaign was aimed at Kurds during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. If convicted, they could be hanged.
Saddam was a defendant in the case but was executed on Dec. 30 after his conviction for the killing of 148 Shiite Muslims in Dujail after a 1982 attempt on his life.
(This version CORRECTS the number of U.S. soldiers killed in the past week according to an AP count.)
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
******* Linda_K*********
posted on June 24, 2007 08:59:45 PM
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U.S. and Iraq forces kill 90 al Qaeda in offensive By Alister Bull
Sat Jun 23, 12:19 PM ET
Yahoonews
U.S. and Iraqi forces say they have killed 90 al Qaeda fighters around Baghdad during one of the biggest combined offensives against the Sunni Islamist group since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Seven U.S. soldiers were killed in roadside bomb attacks in and around the capital on Saturday, underscoring a warning from military commanders that U.S. casualties are likely to mount as more troops are put in harm's way.
U.S. air strikes on Saturday killed seven suspected al Qaeda fighters in Tikrit in Salahuddin province and near the city of Falluja, west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said in a statement.
Thousands of U.S. and Iraqi soldiers are taking part in simultaneous offensives in provinces around Baghdad to deny al Qaeda militants sanctuary in farmlands and towns from where they launch car bomb attacks and other violence.
In the capital, Iraq's parliament voted to cut its summer vacation by a month to focus on passing laws Washington views as crucial to healing Iraq's deep sectarian divide. Lawmakers said the current session would be extended until the end of July.
The move is likely to be welcomed by U.S. President George W. Bush, although the bills have yet to be presented to parliament for debate.
The laws include those on sharing revenues from Iraq's huge oil reserves more equitably, holding provincial elections and allowing former members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party to return to the government and military.
The U.S. military said on Saturday that 55 al Qaeda militants had been killed in Operation Arrowhead Ripper, a key plank of the combined offensives, which began in and around the city of Baquba in Diyala province on Tuesday.
Another 28 militants have been killed in separate operations in the past several days in Diyala, north of Baghdad, the U.S. military has said. U.S. officials say al Qaeda is trying to spark all-out sectarian civil war in Iraq.
In the worst attack against U.S. soldiers on Saturday, four were killed when a roadside bomb struck their vehicle northwest of Baghdad. The military did not say whether they had been taking part in the offensive. Three others were killed in roadside bomb attacks in Baghdad and Tikrit.
TIGHTENING CORDON
U.S. soldiers have been tightening their cordon around al Qaeda fighters holed up in Baquba, advancing carefully through streets lined with roadside bombs and booby-trapped houses.
Baquba is an al Qaeda stronghold that has also become a sanctuary for militants escaping a four-month-old security crackdown in Baghdad.
Colonel Steve Townsend, commander of the 3rd Stryker Brigade, told local Iraqi political and military leaders in Baquba that progress was being made.
"I believe the initial stage of the operation will be completed in another three to five days," Townsend said at a building that serves as a joint command centre for U.S. and Iraqi forces.
The overall offensive around Baquba is expected to last many weeks. U.S. military commanders have said the combined operations were taking advantage of the completion of a build-up of U.S. forces in Iraq to 156,000 soldiers.
Bush has sent 28,000 more troops to Iraq to buy time for Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to reach a political compromise with disaffected minority Sunni Arabs, who are locked in a cycle of violence with majority Shi'ites.
U.S. officials had been urging parliament to either scrap its July-August summer holiday or reduce the two-month break so legislators can speed up passage of the laws.
Maliki said last week the drafts were ready and would be presented to parliament this week, but that did not happen.
Parliamentary committees dealing with the draft laws would not take any summer break, one lawmaker said. Washington believes the laws will boost Sunni Arab participation in the political process.
(Additional reporting by Waleed Ibrahim, Paul Tait and Ross Colvin in Baghdad)
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
mingotree
posted on June 24, 2007 09:15:48 PM
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Why are you stalking me, linduh ?????
You're replying to posts by someone you accuse of stalking you....you ARE confused....
Remember ...stem cell research may help that little Alzheimers problem you have [ edited by mingotree on Jun 24, 2007 09:17 PM ]
*******Linda_K*******
posted on June 24, 2007 09:57:37 PM
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US Forces find another factory where bombs used against them are being built.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
mingotree
posted on June 25, 2007 11:42:06 PM
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Ok,OK, linduh, you're begging for my attention so I'll give it to you ...you poor desperate stalker....
Here's the attention you crave from me...the war has gone, and is going, very badly. The situation in Iraq is really really bad and nothing you post will ever change that.
posted on June 28, 2007 11:56:52 AM new
Thank God....perhaps the problem could be settled if ICE went to every home and rounded them up and sent them back from where they came from. Arrogant, nasty and doing jobs legals would do.
The legals in FL are upset at the illegals and their actions. They too want them gone.
Overheard at Sears: Woman speaking to clerk in Spanish. Clerk says, "sorry I don't speak Spanish" woman says, in English, "then you should be fired and I could take your job".. true story, I over heard it waiting for my friend (clerk) to finish so we could go to lunch.
posted on June 28, 2007 12:04:40 PM new
I agree, Landotter. And when Americans are told THEY don't qualify for ANY job in our country BECAUSE they don't speak spanish....all should be aware that something has gone terribly WRONG.
Most Americans want our borders dealt with NOW. Then work out what benefits the liberals want to grant those who have broken our laws.....many who are CRIMINALS and keep returning after being deported many, many times.
kennedy is promising this issue of granting illegals amnesty is NOT over. He looks more than a little SICK/GREEN today.
I believe most Americans hope anything like this bill will NEVER come to pass.
And it's simple really. Just keep the liberals from passing laws to be 'sanctuaries' to the illegals. Throw those lawmakers in jail for aiding and abetting ILLEGALS.
posted on June 28, 2007 02:06:47 PM new
This is one issue I disagreed with Pres Bush about.
But the ones who had the most to gain from the amnesty bill (other that the illegals) was the demo party in the form of an expanded voter base, as can be seen from the majority demos that voted FOR passage.
Thankfully both Texas Sens voted AGAINST this bill from its inception.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jun 28, 2007 02:08 PM ]
posted on June 28, 2007 02:11:53 PM new
And craw you really need to get over your fixation with Linda. But I understand the real reason you continue to stalk her is you haven't gotten over your allegation of being stalked by Twelve.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on June 28, 2007 02:15:20 PM new
Pres Bush shows his gracious defeat on this matter.
In Case You Missed It: Bush Says Amnesty Bill Is Dead
President: 'It didn't work'
President Bush finally admitted today that his comprehensive approach to immigration reform "didn't work" -- a strong indication that we won't be seeing another bill anytime soon. Here are his remarks:
I thank the members of the Senate and members of my administration who worked so hard on the border security and immigration reform bill. I'm sorry the Senate was unable to reach agreement on the bill this morning.
Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people and Congress's failure to act on it is a disappointment. The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws. A lot of us worked hard to see if we couldn't find a common ground -- it didn't work.
Congress really needs to prove to the American people that it can come together on hard issues. The Congress needs to work on comprehensive energy policy and good health care; make sure health care is affordable without inviting the federal government to run the health care system. We've got to work together to make sure we can balance this federal budget, and not overspend or raise taxes on the American people. We've got a lot of work to do.
When they come back from the summer -- from the July recess, before the summer break begins, we'll be focusing on the appropriations process. And I look forward to working with Congress to balance our budgets and to be wise about how we spend the people's money.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on June 28, 2007 02:30:03 PM new "Bush is a liberal now, interesting...."
Well, Profe, since Bush is a liberal, those who support him are liberals too. After all, they are supporting nation building, big government and big spending.
I've heard that conservatives are thinking that they will be better off with a Democrat in the White House after this president.
posted on June 28, 2007 02:36:46 PM new
Yea, like WHO helen?
ROFLOL
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I agree with Bear. MOST conservatives did not support nor agree with the bill that the DEMOCRATIC congress came up with. President Bush was willing to compromise...which most in his base did NOT support.
House rejects security fence at the border
Source: The Business Journal
URL Source: http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/06/11/daily54.html
Published: Jun 15, 2007
Author: Mike Sunnucks
Post Date: 2007-06-17 18:16:06 by JoeSnuffy
25 Comments
House rejects security fence at the border The Business Journal of Phoenix - 3:55 PM MST Friday, June 15, 2007 by Mike Sunnucks The Business Journal
The U.S. House of Representatives shot down a proposal Friday by U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz, that would have built an 854-mile, double layered security fences along the Mexican border.
Franks noted that only 13 miles of a Mexican border fence approved last year have been built and that the fencing is needed to improve border security.
"With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country's most critical national security vulnerabilities. In order to carry out an act of terrorism, a militant Islamist simply needs a porous border and a dangerous weapon," said Franks in a statement.
Franks represents Glendale, Peoria, Sun City and Kingman.
The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.
Most Republicans (including Franks and fellow Arizona Reps. Rick Renzi and John Shadegg) voted for the comprehensive fence plan.
Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill.
The House did approve an overall homeland and border security appropriations bill Friday. Mitchell said he backed that bill because it allocates federal money to hire more Border Patrol Agents and resources to deport violent illegal immigrant criminals.
"Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement. Mitchell represents Tempe and Scottsdale.
The state's four Democratic representatives and Renzi voted for the final bill. Flake, Franks and Shadegg opposed.
The votes could be a precursor to a big political fight over immigration reforms, a guest worker program and how to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.
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They're just NOT trustworthy....watch how they actually VOTE
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 28, 2007 03:05 PM ]
posted on June 28, 2007 04:36:28 PM newCausing someone to loose their job because some wacko liberal that you adore is NOT morally, ethically right at all.
'Loose' should be spelled 'lose' in that sentence.
You can lose your keys or lose a job or lose your mind.
Loose is something that isn't tight - like a loose screw or like loose lips that keep flapping non-stop.
posted on June 28, 2007 04:46:15 PM new
yep...must be. all those liberal teacher that don't really give a sh1t about teaching...just what they're new benefits are...all provided by the liberals who support teacher unions...over the actually teaching our children anything.
Do you EVER address the topic? Or are you turning into a mini-mingo who can only post personal post to me? ROFLOL
I think most already know the answer to that question. At least those who have common sense....and don't need the liberal indocrination that you so support in our schools.
posted on June 28, 2007 05:29:15 PM new
WoW! Correcting a spelling mistake is now an 'attack', Linda_K? Oh my, you are a sensitive one, aren't you?
So what exactly does your rant about someone on another chat board losing their job have to do with the immigration bill discussion here? Why aren't you discussing it at whatever board it supposedly happened on or did they kick your ass there too?
What does your attack on teachers and unions have to do with the immigration bill discussion here?
How come you get to go off-topic but if others do it you get so angry?
posted on June 28, 2007 06:18:24 PM newAgain, it's the common sense approach.
Thank you. I thought if I spaced each paragraph far enough apart and addressed each issue separately you may finally see it as a common sense approach. It worked.
