posted on August 12, 2007 02:04:42 PM new
Under the 'learn something new everyday catagory'.....I hadn't read THIS about the leading liberal campaign.
Should we ever need a draft....they support requiring women to register also.
That was a HUGE WOW for me. WOW.
"Posing a question that few, if any, of the candidates had fielded before, one voter asked whether young women should register with the Selective Service, as do young men in case the draft is reinstated."
" Clinton, Obama and Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut said yes."
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 12, 2007 02:30 PM ]
Judging by their recent statements, you'd think Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were about to cosponsor legislation mandating that 18-year-old women register with the Selective Service System.
During last week’s CNN/YouTube debate, they both explained that they oppose a draft but believe that, if there is one, both men and women should be conscripted.
Sen. Chris Dodd agreed that including women "would be the fair thing to do," and former senator Mike Gravel underscored the point by asking, "What’s the difference?"
Republican presidential candidates should be eager to answer his rhetorical question and challenge the Democrats' radical and reckless notions of "equality."
Although the candidates attempted to shift the subject to the importance of "national service," young men don't register with the Selective System Service in order to teach in inner-city schools, serve the needy on Indian reservations, or clean up national parks. Should national defense require a draft, registered young men would have to serve involuntarily in the military's combat ranks. Democratic candidates for president think young women ought to be compelled to join them.
The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Selective Service's male-only registration requirement in 1981. The Court reasoned that the purpose of registration "was to prepare for a draft of combat troops." With women exempted from combat, their inclusion in draft registration just to place a small number of them in non-combat positions struck the Court as unduly burdensome.
Do Clinton and Obama want to see the combat exemption for women eliminated?
Current military policy doesn't adopt a phony gender equality by requiring women to serve in positions where they are less likely than men to survive. Studies show that only the top five percent of women perform at the male median on physical tests. Scores on such tests throughout the military are "gender-normed" to accommodate the real differences between men and women — differences that have consequences on the battlefield.
Consider, also, that Clinton and Obama's plan would cause young fathers and mothers alike to be conscripted in the event of a draft. Do they really believe that it makes no difference which sex does the soldiering and which the mothering? If so, they should say so clearly.
Military women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are in greater danger than women in any previous deployment, and an unprecedented number have been killed by hostile fire. That is because the Clinton administration threw out the "risk rule," which prohibited the assignment of women to roles near (though not directly involved in) combat.
We hope that the Democratic candidates have launched a long-overdue debate about the proper role of women in the military. And we look forward to watching Clinton and Obama on the campaign trail, explaining to parents why their daughters should be eligible for the draft.
Source: National Review
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
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posted on August 12, 2007 09:57:39 PM new
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posted on August 12, 2007 02:04:42 PM
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Under the 'learn something new everyday catagory' (linduh, it's catEgory).....I hadn't read THIS about the leading liberal campaign.
Should we ever need a draft....they support requiring women to register also.
That was a HUGE WOW for me. WOW.
"Posing a question that few, if any, of the candidates had fielded before, one voter asked whether young women should register with the Selective Service, as do young men in case the draft is reinstated."
" Clinton, Obama and Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut said yes." """
""WOW!"" ????
Well, the last time I looked WOMEN were ALSO citizens of the United States.
While I realize that there are still some backward ignorant sexists pigs who don't believe women should be equal under the law...they still have a right to be citizens with all the rights and responsibilities.
With that said I will add that since women are sexually harrassed and raped in the Armed Forces, since women only make about 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, since women have suffered so much inequality from a sexist country and still aren't REALLY equal....they should be able to opt out of serving IF they choose.
posted on August 14, 2007 09:25:46 AM newShould we ever need a draft....they support requiring women to register also.
Women want to be treated equally so what is the problem with them being in a draft.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 09:38:33 AM new
There are many, imo. Here are just a couple.
First they don't have the strength to do what men can do. THAT'S why they are given lesser requirements for meeting certain requirements of strength/endurance.
Secondly, how would YOU take care of children who had both parents drafted?
And are YOU for FORCED service, ld? THAT would very much surprise me.
posted on August 14, 2007 09:52:15 AM new
""Women want to be treated equally so what is the problem with them being in a draft.""
Women may WANT to be treated equally but in America they aren't.
""While I realize that there are still some backward ignorant sexists pigs who don't believe women should be equal under the law...they still have a right to be citizens with all the rights and responsibilities.
With that said I will add that since women are sexually harrassed and raped in the Armed Forces, since women only make about 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, since women have suffered so much inequality from a sexist country and still aren't REALLY equal....they should be able to opt out of serving IF they choose.""
linduh,""First they don't have the strength to do what men can do. THAT'S why they are given lesser requirements for meeting certain requirements of strength/endurance.""
There are MEN and women of all sizes and strengths in the military. I think the military should be efficient enough to find something for them all to do.
linduh, ""Secondly, how would YOU take care of children who had both parents drafted?""
They're taken care of NOW when both parents are in service. There could always be a rule that ONE parent (the word "parent" includes FATHERS as well as mothers) stays home with underage children.
posted on August 14, 2007 09:55:41 AM new
Maybe sybil can show us just how many cases currently have that issue to deal with. LOL LOL LOL
And it would be VERY different IF it were the government FORCING that situation to happen, as opposed to it being the couples volunteering to do so. VERY different.
Does sybil support a draft? I seriously doubt that too.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 10:22:53 AM new
C - the discussion was on if BOTH parents were drafted.
Not what you THINK might happen.
edited again
They are NOW both being sent to war. BOTH. And yes, that is/has created hardships for them.
QUESTION C -
Do you support a draft also?
Do you believe our daughters should also serve/be drafted?
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
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[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 14, 2007 10:26 AM ]
posted on August 14, 2007 10:39:34 AM new
They're taken care of NOW when both parents are in service. There could always be a rule that ONE parent (the word "parent" includes FATHERS as well as mothers) stays home with underage children.
Linda_K
posted on August 14, 2007 09:55:41 AM
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Maybe sybil can show us just how many cases currently have that issue to deal with. LOL LOL LOL""""
Then she burbles:"""Linda_K
posted on August 14, 2007 10:22:53 AM
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They are NOW both being sent to war. BOTH. And yes, that is/has created hardships for them.""
posted on August 14, 2007 10:42:51 AM new
"C - the discussion was on if BOTH parents were drafted.
Not what you THINK might happen."
"Secondly, how would YOU take care of children who had both parents drafted?""
YOU asked for speculation when you made the above post. If you can ask what if BOTH parents were drafted (even though there currently is no draft,) I can say IF there were a draft and if women qualified for a draft, one parent could receive a hardship deferment, according to SSS regulations. In addition, should we return to the draft and should women be included, the military would have to have regulations to cover this scenario----unless they are not as smart as you say they are.
posted on August 14, 2007 10:46:35 AM new
"QUESTION C -
Do you support a draft also?
Do you believe our daughters should also serve/be drafted?"
i am ambivalent about a draft. One thing for sure, it would mean more equality in who serves and who does not. If there were to be a draft, women should be included, IMO.
posted on August 14, 2007 10:52:25 AM new
If it's not considered enough to get a 'hardship' deferment NOW....it most likely wouldn't be THEN either.
And I guess it shouldn't surprise me that liberals WOULD support sending their daughters into war. All things MUST 'be equal'. Women's lib and all.
But then they don't want them to be put on the 'front lines'. Just used for support positions. So it will NEVER 'be fair'. LOL
Women can't do what men can do. And I'd like to see any women pick up a man, throw him over her shoulders and carry him out of danger. They can't. THUS the 'unequal' requirements they're given.
posted on August 14, 2007 10:54:03 AM new
Here's the lie:
mingotree
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Guess I don't spend as much time as you do, etex.
As to thoughts and prayers..I think of bushit a lot and I don't pray....
etexbill
posted on July 21, 2007 04:21:35 PM
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"Guess I don't spend as much time as you do, etex."
We had that discussion yesterday, mingo, and I proved you badly wrong. But keep on repeating your s--- and somebody might be gullible enough to believe it.
mingotree
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"""We had that discussion yesterday, mingo, and I proved you badly wrong. But keep on repeating your s--- and somebody might be gullible enough to believe it. """
What the he1l are you talking about ? You proved me wrong about what?
How much time is spent on the Internet????
How could you or anyone else know how much time I spend on the Internet?
You posted:
etexbill
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"T and P ???? "
Good grief, mingo, how long have you been on the internet? Haven't you ever heard of thoughts and prayers, T's and P's.?""
That looks like you are saying I don't spend much time , or as much time as YOU, on the Internet.
I replied:
mingotree
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Guess I don't spend as much time as you do, etex.""
You want to start an argument about THAT?!???
etex:"You didn't mess with the leader during that war, or bad mouth the government. ""
Sheesh! Another neocon/Fascist who wants free speech stopped and all civil and human rights stopped....it sounds like something Saddam Hussein would say !
I have to disagree...I think the United States should keep free speech, citizens should get fair trials with due process.
Do you think it's a crime to be a German ...or a radio operator ?
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That's another great example of why I gave up responding to her. """
posted on August 14, 2007 10:57:27 AM newFirst they don't have the strength to do what men can do. THAT'S why they are given lesser requirements for meeting certain requirements of strength/endurance.
So why are women in the service now if they can not perform the requirements of a soldier. Your comment does a great disservice to all the women that are currently in combat in our military. And yet you keep saying how much you support the troops. tsk tsk tsk.
Secondly, how would YOU take care of children who had both parents drafted?
I didn't know I was responsible for taking care of the children of servicemen and women during war time.
To answer your hypothetical question, what do the wife and husband do now when both are in the reserves and are both called to active duty?
And are YOU for FORCED service, ld? THAT would very much surprise me
Very predictable Linda. You can not leave out the gay card, can you.
Are YOU of Forced service? No I am not a slave and never have been a slave or part of the slavery movement.
Come on Linda if there is a draft here would be your chance to show how much you support this country and the military as much as you say you do.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 11:02:06 AM new
Linda_K
posted on August 14, 2007 10:52:25 AM
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If it's not considered enough to get a 'hardship' deferment NOW....it most likely wouldn't be THEN either. """
(Oh, how do YOU know?)
linduh, ""And I guess it shouldn't surprise me that liberals WOULD support sending their daughters into war. All things MUST 'be equal'. Women's lib and all.""
(Doesn't surprise me, your attitude towards the WOMEN who are fighting for you in Iraq! YOU called the "he-men" who should be home baking cookies!
AND YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR liberals...TSK TSK! YOU don't think citizens should defend their country !!!!!???? )
linduh, ""But then they don't want them to be put on the 'front lines'. Just used for support positions. So it will NEVER 'be fair'. LOL"""
(SPEAKING FOR OTHERS AGAIN???!!!! AND out of both sides of your copious mouth !)
linduh, ""Women can't do what men can do. And I'd like to see any women pick up a man, throw him over her shoulders and carry him out of danger. They can't.
( And almost 4, 000 troops weren't carried out of harm's way by ANYONE!!!)
"""THUS the 'unequal' requirements they're given."""
OK, then women should pay HALF the taxes men do !!! Let's see THAT happen. If women are only partial citizens why should we pay FUILL taxes ??????
posted on August 14, 2007 11:03:41 AM newAnd I guess it shouldn't surprise me that liberals WOULD support sending their daughters into war. All things MUST 'be equal'. Women's lib and all.
Just like a typical woman. Just goes to show you Linda wants to be treated a being special.
Women can't do what men can do
When discussing the history of women in combat, one might think of Joan of Arc who in 1429, at age 17, successfully led French troops into battle against the English. Hundreds of women disguised themselves as men to fight in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars....In 1991, the restriction of women from flying combat aircraft was repealed,
More than 40,000 American women served in the war against Iraq. The Marine Corps awarded twenty-three women the Combat Action Ribbon for service in the Persian Gulf War because they were engaged by Iraqi troops. Desert Storm was a huge turning point for women, much like Vietnam was for African-Americans, and it showed that modern war boundaries between combat and non-combat zones are being blurred. It makes no sense to cling to semantics (combat vs combat support) given the reality of war. Furthermore, allowing both men and women to compete for all military occupational specialties is not an equal rights issue, but one of military effectiveness. If the United States is to remain the world's most capable and most powerful military power, we need to have the best person in each job, regardless of their gender.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
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posted on August 14, 2007 11:10:34 AM new
"Women can't do what men can do. And I'd like to see any women pick up a man, throw him over her shoulders and carry him out of danger. They can't. THUS the 'unequal' requirements they're given."
posted on August 14, 2007 11:11:30 AM new
JUDY WOODRUFF: Now, our look at the evolving role of women in combat.
One more casualty of the war in Iraq brought home to Decatur, Illinois, last weekend. In this case, the soldier's vehicle was hit in Baghdad on June 21st by a rocket-propelled grenade. But this death is one of those that makes this war unique, for it was a woman, 22-year-old Army Specialist Karen Clifton.
She is one of the most recent of more than 80 women who have so far been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, a figure nearly double the number of American military women killed in Desert Storm, Vietnam, and Korea, combined. Some 500 have been wounded, many grievously.
American women are serving in the U.S. military today in ways and numbers unthinkable a few decades ago. They are now eligible to fill more than 80 percent of military jobs, 250,000 different assignments, often serving side-by-side with men.
So far, women have served some 167,000 tours of duty in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than four times the number in the first Gulf War. They are not assigned to infantry units, to tanks or submarines, and Pentagon policy officially precludes them from serving in so-called "combat occupations." But in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, where no clear frontlines exist, such distinctions are often hard to make.
Women in both theaters today drive Humvees and trucks, escort military convoys, serve as military police, even pilot helicopters and planes on the battlefield, all of it done under the very real -- and constant -- threat of attack. And like men, many women of the U.S. Armed Services have by now served several tours in the war zones.
Handling dangerous situations
JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Kirsten Holmstedt, what we're talking about, then, is, yes, there are restrictions, but women are doing so many of these jobs, and they're firing weapons.
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: And they're co-locating, just like she said.
JUDY WOODRUFF: They are co-locating, you're saying?
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: Yes, yes.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Meaning they're living, they're in the same...
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: The first story of my book is about two young women, lance corporals in a Marine Corps, who were in a firefight. They attached, I think is the word they used, to an infantry unit so that they could help the infantry when they went house-to-house to search women and children. And so they co-located, and they stayed in the same house or they stayed outside with them, wherever they were sleeping.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Carolyn Schapper, you were in Iraq, we said, from 2005 to 2006. What did you do? What was your assignment? And was it clear to you going in that you were going to be how close to combat or not?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER, Sergeant, Virginia Army National Guard: I'll start with the second part first. I was aware that there was never any surprise that military intelligence, which is what I do, goes out and talks to the locals. And that was my primary mission, was to talk to the local people and find out what their concerns and address those issues.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And that meant, what, you were armed?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: I was armed. I would go out almost every day, and I would go into the villages and the cities, and get out of my truck, and walk into their homes.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And you were in dangerous situations.
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Yes, I was.
JUDY WOODRUFF: How often?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Oh, every day is a dangerous situation. You never know what's going to happen. But I had seven significant events occur to me. That includes IEDs, sniper fire, and mortars, not to me personally, to my team.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And how did you -- do you think that you and other women you were alongside in Iraq deal with these things differently from the men?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Your training comes into play. I'd say you almost have a lack of emotion. You do what you need to do to get your people out and safe and back to the base or take care of the enemy. But, unfortunately, there's rarely an enemy to take care of.
And I would assume that's true for every individual, not necessarily a woman or a man, that your emotions are put aside and your training comes to the front.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Even when your comrades are hurt?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Yes, even more so, I would say so, because your first priority is to make sure they're safe.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 11:11:38 AM new
So why are women in the service now if they can not perform the requirements of a soldier. Your comment does a great disservice to all the women that are currently in combat in our military. And yet you keep saying how much you support the troops. tsk tsk tsk.
I am stating FACTS, ld. FACTS. Don't be scared of FACTS. The ones who enlisted are there because THEY CHOSE to be there. Choice vs being forced. GET IT NOW?[/b]. lol lol
I didn't know I was responsible for taking care of the children of servicemen and women during war time.
At this time, you're not. But it would be more a problem IF both parents were being drafted. Another FACT.
To answer your hypothetical question, what do the wife and husband do now when both are in the reserves and are both called to active duty?
And are YOU for FORCED service, ld? THAT would very much surprise me
Very predictable Linda. You can not leave out the gay card, can you.
LOL LOL LOL another delusional liberal who argues with thoughts never mentioned/stated. GET REAL, ld. [b]This has nothing to do with your personal sensitivity about being gay and I sure didn't mention it AT ALL. LOL LOL LOL[/b]
Are YOU of Forced service? No I am not a slave and never have been a slave or part of the slavery movement.
So, you'd run off to canada, IF a draft were started?????
Come on Linda if there is a draft here would be your chance to show how much you support this country and the military as much as you say you do.
Again, delusion. tsk tsk tsk Age would be a factor in who was eligible for the draft. Try and put your brain cells in gear for a change. Just once, please?
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 11:12:20 AM new
Acceptance of women
JUDY WOODRUFF: Captain Manning, what does your research show? How are women doing in these jobs?
LORY MANNING: That's the biggest surprise of the war. Before this, people only guessed, and they guessed that the women would fall to pieces, that they wouldn't be able to rescue fallen comrades, that, if they were shot at, they wouldn't be able to shoot back because they'd be so nervous.
None of those bad guesses that women would go to pieces have happened: The women have held their own. They've done brilliantly well. And there's been no obvious differences, either over in Iraq or when people come back, the women's rates of post-traumatic stress disorder and those sorts of things are not that different from the men's. So what we have learned is, through real experiences, that women can hack it in the military.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Ms. Holmstedt, how are the men who, of course, make up the vast majority, how are they receiving, how are they accepting or not these women?
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: That's interesting, because I think, no matter what their age, you will find men who accept the women and find men who don't accept the women. I've talked to young lance corporals, male lance corporals and corporals, who don't accept the women and some who do, all the way up to generals, some who do accept women and some who don't.
JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you mean by accept and not?
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: Well, I talked to one general on the phone, and he said that, at a cocktail party, he might say that he's opposed to women in combat and doesn't like it, but, really, he does believe in women in combat and he thinks they're doing wonderful things.
So there is an outward support or lack of support. There's a contradiction right now. I just think people are really -- some men, and the ones who have been around for a while in the military, the older echelon -- I think they're more resistant to supporting women openly. And I think that that reflects all the way down, because women are still, I believe, treated like second-class citizens because of that male mentality.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let me ask Ms. Schapper. Was that your experience? Were women treated differently? Were you treated like second-class citizen or not?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: It depends who I was working with. Within my team, which was other military intelligence and the infantry that worked for us, no, we were team members. We rely on each other. You can't think anybody is not going to save your life if necessary. So there was a lot of mutual respect within my team.
But since I was on a small infantry base, I did have difficulties at first with the commanders I had to go brief or get debriefed by. But, over time, I proved myself.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Difficulties in what way?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Just that I didn't really know what I was talking about maybe because I was a female. But it all turned around one day when one of my gunners got shot, and I took command of the convoy to get him back. And I got high praise from the infantry sergeant major when we got back, and that's when it turned around. So I had to prove myself to them that I was capable of doing the same job as a man.
JUDY WOODRUFF: How much of an issue -- you mentioned in our talking with you ahead of time sexual harassment to some degree for the women. How much of a problem is this, do we know, Captain Manning?
LORY MANNING: We know it's a problem, but I don't think we have any idea to what extent. It's a problem for women of that age group on college campuses, no matter where they are. And it's more difficult to deal with over there, because particularly when it gets to full-blown sexual assault, you need to be able to have the evidence to prosecute a criminal in a court. And that has caused problems. I don't think it's like half the women over there or anything of that extent, but nobody knows for sure.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 11:14:39 AM new
The future of women in combat
JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you see, just quickly, Captain Manning, for the future? I mean, does this mean that women are now inevitably going to be fighting wars?
LORY MANNING: It's inevitable, and it's not happening just in the U.S. There have been British women, Australian women, Ukrainian women in Iraq, a lot of Canadian women in Afghanistan. It's going on around the world, and, yes, they're going to be fighting wars, because they can. And most countries these days have all-volunteer forces, so that's who's volunteering.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Ms. Holmstedt, the restrictions that exist, are they the kind -- do you think they'll stay?
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: Maybe those restrictions for a little longer, but I think women are really -- they like the roles that they're in right now. And some definitely want to push the boundaries. I've talked to some who...
JUDY WOODRUFF: Some women who want to do more, you mean?
KIRSTEN HOLMSTEDT: Some women who want to possibly be in infantry. But a lot of the women who are in the roles that they're in right now are very happy with those roles, as MPs and pilots and medics and logisticians.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Captain Manning, the fact that women can't technically, by the rulebook, serve in combat, how does that affect their ability to move all the way up through the ranks, to serve in the highest ranks of the military?
LORY MANNING: Well, it's not a factor at all for Air Force or Navy women, because they can, in fact, serve in every aspect of combat in those services. It is a factor for Marine Corps and Army women who might want to be, say, the command sergeant major of the Marine Corps or chief of staff of the Army without a combat specialty. That's not going to happen.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Mrs. Schapper, I'm going to give you the last word. What should the public know about what women are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now?
CAROLYN SCHAPPER: Women are doing the same jobs as men, the majority of the time, and they're doing them very well.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, thank you all three, Ms. Holmstedt, Ms. Schapper, and Captain Manning, thank you very much, all three of you.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 11:20:47 AM new
It is NOT Armed Force 'policy' for women to serve in combat. They are mainly used as support troops.
READ, learn and become informed.
Yes, they are being injured. Yes, a few have been killed. Doesn't mean nor prove they were on the 'front lines'...fighting side by side with their male counterparts. Althought, again, there have been times when they have found themselves ACCIDENTLY in the middle of combat. It's NOT POLICY for women to be sent into combat.
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No C. - they're not the same. All men have to pass certain physical requirements or they are 'sent home'. Women are not required to meet those same requirements.
PERIOD.
I know that upsets all you women libbers. LOL But FACTS ARE FACTS.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 11:23:02 AM newThe ones who enlisted are there because THEY CHOSE to be there. Choice vs being forced
I suppose you believe every man that is drafted would be capable of serving then. Do you think every guy that is drafted wants to be there as well. I guess you do not remember the 60's at all.
At this time, you're not. But it would be more a problem IF both parents were being drafted. Another FACT.
If this is really fact then you can provide back up for your proof.
So, you'd run off to canada, IF a draft were started?????
Now why would I be running anywhere. The military doesn't want me now for various reasons, why would they want me later?
Again, delusion. tsk tsk tsk Age would be a factor in who was eligible for the draft. Try and put your brain cells in gear for a change. Just once, please?
Oh please Linda, I am well aware the military does not want some crazed, over the hill mom of a military brat. You still can't figure out a joke unless it is told by Jay Leno.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Are YOU a Bunghole?
