We know Rove is tied in with everyone tied in with the Abramoff inevstigattion. We know that Susan Ralston, Rove's Assistant was closely involved--and it appears that she has been refused immunity, even though some of her testimony about Abramoff appears to be quite interesting. Novak, at least, thinks Ralston would get to Rove. So it's possible that Rove is one of the ultimate targets of the Abramoff investigation.
The OSC Investigation
This is easy. We know Rove is a target of the OSC investigation into the politicization of anything and everything in the entire government. We know he did, in fact, politicize anything and everything. The ultimate outcome of an OSC investigation would consist of Scott Bloch explaining that Rove did politicize anything and everything and recommending that Bush should fire him, but then to have Bush sit on that recommendation as he has with Lurita Doan. But perhaps Rove is leaving anyway, in an attempt to prevent us all from learning how closely our government resembles that of a one-party state, like maybe the old Soviet Union.
The Iglesias Investigation
But I'm most interested in the possibility that Rove is rushing out just two steps ahead of the Iglesias investigation. HJC is collecting a great deal of evidence that DOJ employees covered up the real reasons for the Iglesias firing ... and that the real reason for the firing had everything to do with politicizing the judiciary. It not only has evidence that Will Moschella, Paul McNulty, and Alberto Gonzales lied about the reasons for Iglesias' firing, it appears that Moschella, at least, is getting downright cooperative (and note, McNulty is going to be out of DOJ at almost the same time as Rove will be out of the WH).
If this is the reason Rove is quitting, it's not just that BushCo wants him out before he's officially indicted. After all, it's not just Rove--but Bush, too--who was involved in firing Iglesias. So Rove may be leaving as part of a firewall approach in an attempt to save Bush. If it comes to it, Rove may admit to having Iglesias fired in an attempt to politicize the entire judiciary to hide the fact that--in this specific case, at least--but was involved in that process, too.
posted on August 14, 2007 09:24:22 AM new
Does this mean Bush will actually have to think for himself for the next 16 months. God forbid, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 09:41:12 AM new
No, LD, bushit will never be ALLOWED to think on his own....the powers behind the throne will remain in place to control Puppet-Boy.
And Rove may be leaving the White House but he is NOT leaving the bushit administration...not for one minute.....
posted on August 14, 2007 09:41:56 AM new
Some speculation that I'm hoping turns out to be true...is Carl Rove will be the 'brains' behind ANOTHER republican candidate and help THEM be elected and then re-elected.
posted on August 14, 2007 10:14:13 AM newis Carl Rove will be the 'brains' behind ANOTHER republican candidate and help THEM be elected and then re-elected.
Who knows? I guess if the candidates are so gutless and wimpy they can't think for themselves he may have to do it for them. Or if they lack intelligence like the last one, anything is possible. Especially considering the people who vote that identify with these qualities.
posted on August 14, 2007 10:20:48 AM new
LOL....and kiara speaks to the 'intelligence' of others. LOL LOL LOL Now, THAT is funny.
She should work on her own ignorance FIRST.
ALL candidates have people who guide them...offer suggestions...set a plan.
ALL kiara. READ and learn something so you don't have to spend all your time here, falsely posting MY positions.
The left disliked Rove because he is GREAT at what he does. And he got Bush elected TWICE. And they've never forgive him...so they've dogged him all these years....and weren't able to pin ANYTHING on him.
Such wasted time...but that's what the liberals would rather do.....and that's why their poll numbers are at 14%.
The voters are noticing.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 10:43:52 AM newALL kiara. READ and learn something so you don't have to spend all your time here, falsely posting MY positions
I never mentioned your name, lindak. I posted an opinion with my own thoughts. It was MY position or view, I wasn't speaking for your position. Sheesh!
posted on August 14, 2007 10:46:41 AM newThey were so SURE they'd get their man in the WH in '04,
Just like Rove and the other neocons thought they would be able to keep control of the House and Senate in '06. Oh how wrong they were.
They could NEVER accept that they don't represent the majority of American voters ethics/morals nor political positions
That is why the majority of American chose Gore over Bush in 2000. Or did you fail to remember that tidbit.
And I'm also just so sure the dem congress' recent poll numbers were somehow FIXED by the Bush administration.
The stupid witch forgets that the Republicans still hold seats in the Senate and in the House. If you would look at the polls this year you would know the Democrats have a higher approval rating of the Congress, than Republicans approve of Congress. So what does that tell you?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 12:02:23 PM new
ld....buy a clue.
Your congress was elected because the voters BELIEVED their promises. Which they HAVEN'T honored. They lied to the voters....and they low approval rates speaks directly to that issue.
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So you're just another 'bush basher' then C.
tsk tsk tsk
At least he's had the guts to take action....fight our enemies. Give several other nations to work together against these terrorists. Something dem presidents just can't do....find a backbone.
Even carter allowed our citizens to be held for 444 days. Impotent to do anything. NEVER would have given them the ultimatum to release them or ELSE.
Your party sucks since JFK. He was the LAST dem president who was willing to protect American interests. Since then....nothing but cowards from the left.
And now what do we see? More SURRENDER cowards....fallling all over themselves to give victory to our enemies. tsk tsk tsk
How un-American. Burn our flag....then wave the white flag of surrender.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 12:50:58 PM newYour congress was elected because the voters BELIEVED their promises.
My Congress. The Congress belongs to all people, Linda. There is not a seperate Congress for Republicans and Democrats. I personally do not have my own Congress and neither do you.
Which they HAVEN'T honored. They lied to the voters.....
Now you want to talk about campaign issues being honored. How many campaign promises did Bush deliver in 2000 and 2004 that he has actually kept. When I asked a while ago for you to name all the accomplishments that Bush had during his 6 years in office you could not name one. So if you want to go down this road why don't you start naming all the campaign issues that Bush promised to deliver on and hasn't.
and they low approval rates speaks directly to that issue
Once again the democrats still have a higher approval rating than the Republicans in Congress so what does that tell you.
Do I need to spell it out for you? The nation does not approve of the Republicans in Congress and they do not approve of the Republican that is in the White House.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 04:45:52 PM newOh and ld, Bush ISN'T running again.
You finally took a civics class and learned a president can only serve 2 terms. Good for you Lind. You are finally getting educated.
NOT what this President did or didn't do.
If you think the American people will forget what Bush did nor didn't do when it comes time to vote for the next president, you are really naive.
This country is so sick of Republican leadership, they will be voting for a change.
And YOUR party has the POWER in BOTH Houses.
Yep where have you been for the past 9 months. You just realized this now. This is a fact despite all the assurances from the Republicans they will keep control over both houses of Congress.
Are you deaf dumb AND blind?
If I was blind how could I see all the stupid things you have been contributing to this board?
But then, since you support the 'don't ask, don't tell' military policy...I guess that makes sense....TO YOU.
I support the policy just as much as you support allowing incest to be legal in Arkansas.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 05:04:07 PM new
What ****I**** think is that adults will vote for whom they believe will do the most to pass legislation that represents what THEY support.
What *****I***** believe is THEY, unlike YOU, know that republicans have certain values that dems/liberals don't share.
They will vote their pocketbooks. They will vote for whom THEY believe will best protect our nation...etc...etc.
They won't be electing ANY CIC who THEY believe won't defend this nation from ALL threats.
And imo, that won't be ANY of the current liberal candidates.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 06:06:12 PM newThey will vote their pocketbooks.
I am glad you are willing to give up all of your social secuirty money that you get every month so you can pick the next loser.
And you Linda do not represent America. You and your "I" vote doesnt mean squat with the American voters. Most Americans want change and they will not get that with the Republican squad of Bush supporters that are running for president.
They won't be electing ANY CIC who THEY believe won't defend this nation from ALL threats.
They voted for a cheerleader in chief already so that is right we do not need another one that ignores intelligence briefs that suggest an attack. We don't need another cheerleader in chief that relys on slogans and cheers to capture the person responsible for 9/11. We need a president that will actually get results not one that keeps saying "stay the course" and "be patient".
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 10:52:10 PM new
I am glad you are willing to give up all of your social security money that you get every month so you can pick the next loser.
Such a LIAR. I don't receive SS and have told you so over and over. You're too stupid to remember.
And you Linda do not represent America. You and your "I" vote doesn't mean squat with the American voters. Most Americans want change and they will not get that with the Republican squad of Bush supporters that are running for president.
LOL....yes, that's why they voted for a dem congress - looking for change. And look how disappointed they are now....14% approval rate. LOL LOL
They're NOT getting what they were promised. The war funding has continued to FLOW freely from your dem/lib congress. LOL
And I do represent America, much more that ANY gay/lesbian does. And my support for our military, unlike your lack thereof, is MORE American than you could EVER grasp.
They voted for a cheerleader in chief already so that is right we do not need another one that ignores intelligence briefs that suggest an attack. We don't need another cheerleader in chief that relys on slogans and cheers to capture the person responsible for 9/11. We need a president that will actually get results not one that keeps saying "stay the course" and "be patient".
LOL....well since ALL your candidates are WAVING THE WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER....falling all over themselves to hand the victory to our enemies....you're not going to get what you think you are. lol
And you'd better wake up to the reality that MANY dems and their MSM press ARE beginning to change their positions and are rethinking their support for pulling out of Iraq.
NO liberal will ever defend this Nation. They don't have what it takes....a backbone. They're all TALK....no action.
And this President has FREED 25 MILLION citizens in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Allowed them to VOTE. Supported them while they establish their own gov.
Just like the JFK dems USED to support doing.....helping ALL Nations gain freedom and liberty. A FREE people make better neighbors/allies. Make for a more peaceful world. ALL people want to be free.
And they are now FREE from saddam. He's DEAD. He chose the wrong person to play games with.
And now we'll be dealing with IRAN. Watch your liberals run and hide on THAT issue. Heck some of them support allowing the madmad to obtain nuclear weapons.
Guess those idiots don't think he'd EVER use them against the US. Their heads are buried so deeply in the sand.....in DENIAL.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 14, 2007 10:57 PM ]
posted on August 15, 2007 01:24:09 PM new
Rove on Rush today - speaking about our CIC/President.
In his Wednesday interview he told Rush: "This is one of the best-read people I’ve ever met. This is a Harvard MBA. A Yale undergraduate whose major was history and whose passion is history.”
Those "elite, effete snobs” who criticize him — the "people on the Upper East Side who are putting their nose in the air about him — can’t hold a candle to him.”
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Nor could any ONE of the liberals here and on other 'chat' boards...who are always insulting the Presidents intelligence, hold a candle to HIM.
Of course, THEY'RE not as educated EITHER....nor smart enough to WIN the highest job in our Nation - TWICE.
Putting the President down, must them feel better about themselves. Maybe it lifts up their OWN lack of self esteem when he's so FAR ABOVE THEM intellectually. And he certainly has MUCH more common sense than they're EVER going to have no matter how old they get.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 15, 2007 01:28 PM ]
posted on August 15, 2007 01:30:55 PM new
"And you Linda do not represent America. You and your "I" vote doesnt mean squat with the American voters. Most Americans want change and they will not get that with the Republican squad of Bush supporters that are running for president."
Hmmm, just what "they" said before the last presidential election. If fact, one of your number made such a great deal out of what he/she would do if Bush was re-elected, that, I see, is no longer on the board.
