posted on August 16, 2007 04:59:20 PM new
Let's see....did or did he not vote to send OTHER peoples sons off to war?
edited to add: YES, he did
Either way....he doesn't want HIS son going.
And Biden wants to be our CIC? Oh brother....
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Biden's Son Headed to Iraq in 2008
Thursday, August 16, 2007
The son of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden is preparing for deployment to Iraq next year. Capt. Beau Biden, a Judge Advocate General in the Delaware National Guard and the state's attorney general, is part of the 261st Signal Brigade that has been told to prepare for duty in Iraq in 2008. They have not been given a date of deployment yet.
"don't want him going," Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. "But I tell you what, I don't want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference."
Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war.
"There's no political point worth my son's life," Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. "There's no political point worth anybody's life out there. None."
Lt. Col. Len Gratteri, spokesman for the Delaware National Guard, said Beau Biden is not being treated differently because of his office or because his father is running to be commander in chief. "He's a deployable asset just like any other soldier in that unit," Gratteri said.
Two other presidential candidates, Republicans John McCain and Duncan Hunter, have sons who've been in military units deployed to Iraq.
So Biden has voted to CONTINUE the war by funding it...but doesn't want HIS son going huh?
UNBELIEVABLE.....simply unbelievable.....but OH SO TYPICALLY liberal.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 16, 2007 05:00 PM ]
posted on August 16, 2007 06:22:23 PM new
Appears to bother mingo/sybil that I point out FACTS about a hypocrite. Biden voted to GO TO WAR and he's continued supporting it's funding.
BUT he doesn't want HIS son going to war. NOPE. His son is somehow more special than any other son is to their families? I don't think so.
But this is typical for liberals. They SAY they they want alternative energy....just NOT IN THEIR BACK YARDS.
And anyone thinks a man like THIS should be our CIC? I sure don't.
And here, just yesterday, ld was getting all upset because Romney's sons haven't signed up to serve.
Wonder if HE believes Biden FORCED his son to join. Wonder if Biden encouraged his son to join up. Or if he, like sheehan, fought against him doing so.
How quickly they change their tunes. tsk tsk tsk
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 17, 2007 06:38:35 AM newBiden voted to GO TO WAR and he's continued supporting it's funding. BUT he doesn't want HIS son going to war. NOPE. His son is somehow more special than any other son is to their families?
At least his son is still going to war despite what his father wants/believes. Oh and his son chose to do this and was not forced to go to war.
It is more than what the Romney children are doing. At list Biden's son is not following daddy around in a tour bus on the election trail.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 17, 2007 08:45:27 AM new
I see you, ld, STILL can't provide a list of all the liberals/dems who voted FOR the war, vote to continue funding them, whose children have served.
LOL LOL
You've shown yourself to have HUGE double standards. Expect something for the right you don't expect from your own party.
posted on August 17, 2007 11:52:34 AM new
Yet again Linda wants others to do the research she is to lazy to do. Typical of Linda. You must have been great at bossing your husband around. Now that he is gone Linda has no one to boss around.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 17, 2007 01:56:06 PM new
LD, you are one stupid queer. What is it about conscientious objectors that you don't understand. Doesn't have to be based on religion, but the Romneys are Morman.
They can serve if they wish, but don't have to. Since you don't seem to be aware of the legality of conscientious objection in the military, and did not read up, I will post an explanation. Try to read slowly and move your lips if needed.
"CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
A conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles.
HOW TO APPLY
In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.
He may provide written documentation or include personal appearances by people he knows who can attest to his claims. His written statement might explain:
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how he arrived at his beliefs; and
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the influence his beliefs have had on how he lives his life.
The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented.
A man may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies his claim, but the vote is not unanimous, he may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board. See also Classifications.
WHO QUALIFIES?
Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.
SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual's specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to Alternative Service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.
ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
Conscientious Objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of Alternative Service are jobs in:
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conservation
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caring for the very young or very old
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education
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health care
Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months".
The more you keep harping on this, the more stupid you look. Keep up the good work.
Course we all know they don't have be faced with "Don't ask, don't tell" like you.
We are not in the draft so they can do what they want. Again it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
posted on August 17, 2007 08:27:11 PM new
[iLD, you are one stupid queer. What is it about conscientious objectors that you don't understand. Doesn't have to be based on religion, but the Romneys are Morman. They can serve if they wish, but don't have to.[/i]
And you are one redneck prick. You brought up religion in another thread. Don't you remember:
The Morman Church does not believe in war as a viable solution. Although thousands of Mormans have served in the military, they do not have to. The Church discourages the use of conscientious objection in its ranks, but like millions of others they do not have to serve.
And as I said before there are many religions that believe killing and war are wrong So why are you making the Mormom religion so special as to make it seem just because they are mormon they do not have to serve. Them being mormon has nothing to do with.
Besides you contradicted yourself: "The Morman Church does not believe in war as a viable solution," but then you say "The Church discourages the use of conscientious objection in its ranks"
So in other words just like with every other religion who opposes war it is up to the individual to decide to serve. The Church can have its views but it will not stand in the way of the individual if they want to serve.
[i]Since you don't seem to be aware of the legality of conscientious objection in the military, and did not read up, I will post an explanation.[/i[
I am glad you did your reserach because that was the same thing I read and I understood it fully.
If Mitt's kids want to claim CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION fine with me. But whether or not the military believes them would be another thing. It is up to the military to decide if they are truly against the war for religious reasons or not.
They can claim they are gay to get out military service, but they would still need to prove it.
the legal criteria that a military conscientious objector must meet are more complicated. To be a conscientious objector, you must have a firm, fixed, and sincere objection to personally taking part in war, not merely to the idea of war. And you must object, not merely dislike or be saddened by war
There are a number of stereotypes about conscientious objectors. The military generally assumes that COs are white and middle class, with an above average education, an intellectual bent, and a way with words. Conscientious objectors are expected to be a bit naive and unworldly, gentle pacifists who would never talk back to an officer or defend themselves against a bully. Religious CO applicants may be expected to attend church daily and spend spare time reading religious texts. You may be concerned that you do not fit one of these stereotypes. Do not let that stop you. If you object to participation in war, you should consider applying for CO discharge.
So unless Mitt's kids "attend church daily and spend spare time reading religious texts." while they are following daddy around on the tour bus, I doubt the military will grant them CO status. They may have been luck getting a deferment like good old Dick did. I am sure daddy can get them out of military service if they really don't want to serve IF THERE IS A DRAFT.
So by following daddy around in the tour bus, Mitt's kids are not really supporting the troops. Is it really that difficult to say.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
