posted on June 4, 2008 04:54:06 PM
Who, as a team would stand the best chance of winning the election? My dream team would be Obama paired with Colin Powell - Powell advised Bush against the Iraq war from the get-go (he knew we couldn't win it). He is right of Obama but left of McCain - who better to rope in the dead center. It world blow McCain's claim that an Obama administration wouldn't be qualified to serve as Chief of the Armed Forces.
posted on June 4, 2008 07:03:18 PM
That's seems to be a pretty good team. I also like Wesley Clark. He has a brilliant mind--Valedictorian of his West Point Class, Oxford Scholar. He is in his early 60's and always appears cool and confident. He is a Democrat and, from what I understand, supports most of the democratic platform.
posted on June 4, 2008 08:43:47 PM
I listened carefully before the war and heard Powell's effort to prove, without reliable evidence, his case for war before the United Nations. And I heard the false information about weapons of mass destruction. I believe that most people in America remember that testimony and would never vote for Powell as VP.
As Coach mentioned Wesley Clark would be a good VP.
posted on June 4, 2008 09:38:25 PM
I too like Wesley Clark.
Deep down I would fear that two blacks heading the ticket might work against us. I wouldn't care at all, but there sure are some bigots out there.
_____________________
posted on June 4, 2008 10:27:35 PM
Roadsmith, I thought about that, too. Then I reconsidered and thought that anyone who felt threatened by two people with some African ancestry, at opposite ends of the moderate spectrum, as a threat, they would unlikely vote for a black presidential candidate anyway. I like Wesley Clark, too. I see him as a better candidate than Clinton for securing Clinton's supporters. However, in the end, I think these folks will still vote democrat, regardless of VP candidate. I would like someone on the ticket who can attract moderate Republicans. As far as social issues, this is Obama's strength - I think he can direct this on his own. On the economy side (which I sense, come election time, may be a bigger concern than the war), Bloomberg may be a good choice. Any way you slice it, I can think of at least 5 better choices than Clinton and I think she is doing the party a disservice holding her supporters at bay, hoping for a place on the ticket.
Edited to add: If Obama has taught us anything, it is that Americans are ready for a change in the political machinery. A cross-over VP candidate who is not indebted to, and hasn't political aspirations for their party affiliation may be refreshing.
[ edited by pixiamom on Jun 4, 2008 10:43 PM ]
posted on June 4, 2008 11:05:08 PM
Helen, Powell has taken full responsibility for this and considers it as the biggest blot on his record. At the same time, he argued with Bush over two hours on the validity of the information, was assured that it was accurate and ultimately, followed the command of his military superior. Powell did everything he could to bring the decision to UN community, and was ultimately discharged for his lack of commitment to the war.
posted on June 4, 2008 11:26:22 PM
Perhaps HC will announce her independent candidacy for President. After all, I believe her 18 million votes far surpasses those of Obama or McCain.
posted on June 5, 2008 02:24:44 AM
It would be devastating to the Democratic party and hand the presidency to McCain. I think Clinton is far too much of an entrenched Democrat to ever do that. Besides, it would permanently queer her chances to run as a Dem. in 2012. Her campaign stooges are indicating to the press that she'll endorse Obama on Friday.
posted on June 5, 2008 05:58:35 AM
Pixiamom, on February 24, 2001 Powell said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein and was opposed to an overthrow of Sadamm favoring a policy of containment.
But then he was persuaded to testify before the United Nations with false information and lie for George Bush. Do you really want a vice president who is so easily used without the courage of his convictions especially when it involves an illegal and unecessary war.
The fact that he took full responsibility for his lies and admitted that it was the biggest blot on his record should not absolve him from his significant role in the Iraq war. I don't believe that such an individual would make a good Vice President.
posted on June 5, 2008 05:55:57 PM
Perhaps HC will announce her independent candidacy for President. After all, I believe her 18 million votes far surpasses those of Obama or McCain.
////////////
I wonder if she has considered that,she may win!
As for Powell,I think he is history !
When Ferdinand Marcos became the president of Phillipines,he was sitting at a dinner table with his pow wow backers,powerful backroom king makers and the ex president walked by.
As a newly minted president,he thought it is only appropriate for him to acknowledge the last president and invited him to join them at the table.
Then one of his backers said 'dont bother,past presidents do not count!'
What,Marcos learned a lesson right there,he vowed he would never be a past president,he wants to be president for life,the seed was sown then !
posted on June 6, 2008 06:55:19 PM
Powell was the unknowing fall-guy fed misinformation by Cheney (from Bush) and was assured the intelligence community had no doubts about the integrity of the information. His "blot" is that he trusted Bush. He is still an honorable man who holds respect from both democrats and republicans and an excellent military strategist. I think it appropriate that he help get us out of what his misfounded trust got us into. Edited to add, I am sick from the newscasters, at the forefront, Geraldo Rivera (OK, so I use the term "newscasters" loosely) who speak of choosing a VP candidate who can win over the middle-age female Hillary supporters. HELLO... Hillary is no longer in the picture -- McCain is the one to beat. I think picking a panel (including Caroline K (Kennedy trumps Clinton)) to evaluate VP choices was a brilliant move by Obama.
posted on June 6, 2008 09:14:15 PM
Powell saw the same evidence everybody else did.. and came to the same conclusions everybody else did.
Hillary is the best shot to help Obama. Thank God she snubbed him. Analysts are saying because she didn't pucker up, he "looks weak" putting her on the ticket.
Go Wesley GO!
And I'm sure the "committee" was Obama's idea, LOL.
posted on June 6, 2008 09:59:55 PM
Squirrel, since you are a republican and are committed to Clinton, perhaps she should cross-over and become McCain's running mate. Would this be your dream team?
posted on June 7, 2008 11:00:27 AM
Powell was NOT an "unknowing" fall guy.
Powell, a soldier for 35 years allowed his loyalty to his commander in chief to lead him to abandon the truth as he had so clearly advocated it just a few months earlier. Without question or factual basis or independent investigation of the information his presentation from the floor of the United Nations was used to justify an illegal war that today is still being fought while plans to escalate our involvement are still being plotted.
There was a time when I admired Colin Powell too, Pixiamom, but when he agreed to trot out those lies before the U. N and America, he became this administration's lap dog and he sold his soul. Powell, with his testimony to the U.N. became a member of the war pack with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Tenet. Even three years into the war he lied that Iraq was in good shape and that children were skipping back to school.
Pixiamom, since there is no possibility that Colin Powell will be the
Vice Presidential candidate of either party, why don't we just agree to disagree?
posted on June 11, 2008 01:44:11 PM
cherished, I really like your Ruby Lane store. Congratulations on a nice feel and inventory.
Now to round out the ticket, perhaps a Latino VP. It would be even better if her parents came here illegally. And, she had called for an "open borders" policy. I just don't think that the party would have any difficulty finding someone of that stature within its ranks.
Now, that would be the ultimate Democratic ticket.
Oh, by the way, I am a Democrat, and have been heavily involved in my party. I just think that it has lost its way.
Bill K-
posted on June 11, 2008 05:30:51 PM
Thanks for the complement on the store. People have told me that it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to sell sucessfully on Ruby Lane - I'm trying to have the patience to stick with it.
posted on June 14, 2008 11:46:14 AM
Colin Powell would never in his wildest dreams share a ticket with Obama. Powell is a republican conservative (bless his little heart) and Obama is a left wing liberal Democrat.
posted on June 14, 2008 09:29:29 PM. . .when he agreed to trot out those lies before the U. N and America, he became this administration's lap dog and he sold his soul.
Amen, Helen. Amen. I couldn't have said it better!
For me, a lot will depend on who Obama chooses as a running mate. I like what I've been hearing from him lately especially senior citizens and taxes, but I just don't like his wife. Logic tells me that should be irrelevant, but if people can not vote for Hillary because they don't like Bill why should I be any different? She will be a big influence on him there's no helping that. I honestly believe that Hillary ran more of the country than Bill did.
My daughter works for the county and almost everyone in her section is sitting the election out - both African American and White. Then there are those who would normally vote Democrat who will be voting Republican. I'm afraid there just may be a very low voter turn out. There doesn't seem to be one candidate who is going to please everyone. IMHO, there's not really anything to be excited about on either side of the fence. There's nothing this next president can do to fix the mess our current president has us in.
Sorry to sound so negative. I just spent five hours at a wedding reception with my best friend. Her cousin got married. Her date backed out at the last minute and she begged me to go with her. I have laryngitis, a sore throat and a terrible cold. It was agony to be in a very large room full of people I don't know and not even being able to open my mouth. Geesh, not even a couple of drinks could ease the pain. I was served a large plate of wonderful looking food and a chocolate dessert that I couldn't taste. Wah!!!
posted on June 14, 2008 09:39:58 PM
Cheryl: Could you elaborate on why you don't like Michelle Obama? I'm curious about that, since I think she's terrific. A strong woman, smart as a whip, good mother, good wife sharing husband's values in addition!
_____________________
