posted on August 7, 2009 05:56:06 PM new
Cute cartoon, but it doesn't jive with the staged near-riots that are happening all across the country. In fact, people like the ones pictured with legitimate questions are leaving in disgust after not being allowed to speak over the din of these paid for loudmouths.
posted on August 7, 2009 08:30:52 PM new
No, the cartoon doesn't capture the true picture. It's an organized, Republican infiltration of town hall meetings to spread lies and discord against health care reform. The goal of course is to benefit the greedy insurance industry.
Why do Americans lack the intellectual acuity necessary to dispel such rumors? Why are they so damned gullible?
Why are they so easily influenced by right wing smears? Until schools teach children how to think, the good people of this country will suffer while being used as fodder to support corporate greed.
posted on August 8, 2009 11:28:26 AM new
Yes of course, elaborate conspiracy theories are infinitely more plausible for citizen-legislator friction than plummeting polls and the "I've been had" feeling.
One wonders how on earth lefties are SO stupid.
And public healthcare pay for abortions???? How silly. Next thing you know, somebody will say they'll pay medical bills for illegal aliens. Ohh... wait a minute....
And they would NEVER dream up giving drugs and needles to addicts. Well maybe not for 6 months.
posted on August 8, 2009 03:51:54 PM new
Hey squirrel, I'd be interested in reading why you think the public option will pay for illegal aliens' care. With language quoted from the actual bill of course, not WorldNet or one of your other sources.
And from Kozersky's links
In talking to a few attendees afterward, one man said he now admires and respects his representative.“He stood up, he took his shots, and did it like a man,” a man named Bill told me. Two elderly women said they were embarrassed by their neighbors. "They were rude! Oh, they were behaving terribly," one said, calling it a "disgrace to our community." Said another of the anger, which sounded very much to her like what she hears on Fox News and conservative talk radio, "If it's not manufactured, they're brainwashed."
Manufactured or not, these town halls are an opportunity for the public to directly speak to representatives and hopefully have questions answered and concerns voiced. Pissed off rabble rousers screaming, hanging public officials in effigy and shouting down speakers is anathema to any kind of reasonable discourse. I didn't like it when wackos tried to sabotage the few meetings Bush had with what he called "the public" and I don't like this. It isn't democracy, it's mob rules. Meantime, these same idiots continue to pass around their silly emails about euthanasia and illegal aliens instead of doing any actual homework to find out what the proposals actually say. I don't believe this is about health care at all. I betcha every one of these yahoos has bitched more than once about his or her own insurance coverage. They appear to be middle aged and older. God knows they've fought with their insurers more than once, as most of us have. Anyone with the brains of a nit knows this system is broken beyond repair and the status quo is going to put us all into the poorhouse. No, this is about Obama. This is about saying no to and trying to obstruct everything the current congress and administration has tried and will try to do. It's the same thinking that causes them to sneer about Bill Clinton bringing those reporters home. If a Republican had managed to do that without invading the country they'd be hoorah-ing all over the place. It's about being sore losers who can't take it and move on. I think it's about time the Democrats collectively decide Screw Bipartisanship and get the jobs done they were overwhelmingly elected to do.
I'm sure that it's not under consideration but Undocumented Migrants in this country should have access to health care until they can obtain documentation. It's especially important that all children should be covered regardless of their parent's status. France has a policy of Human Rights for Undocumented Migrants. Why can't the United States do the same?
posted on August 9, 2009 06:50:42 AM new
But for the incompassionate and greedy souls among us...
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
posted on August 9, 2009 09:40:45 AM new
The NHS has reciprocal arrangements with other EU healthcare systems, so that when we travel abroad, we are covered in case of need of medical attention.
People here obtain abortions on the NHS - because it is a hell of a lot cheaper than supporting their unwanted children. There is a real social cost to having unwanted children, and it vastly exceeds the cost of an abortion.
Illegals here also obtain health care in the event of emergencies, and I am much, much happier having them covered than not, because their health can also impact on my health.
posted on August 9, 2009 06:29:58 PM new
"Hey squirrel, I'd be interested in reading why you think the public option will pay for illegal aliens' care. With language quoted from the actual bill of course, not WorldNet or one of your other sources."
The reasoning would be the same as if one were to paraphrase:
"What makes you say Hitler will invade Poland. He says he absolutely will not."
That and the fact that CA taxpayers already do.
What's even funnier is referencing publications. Whack pack members never comment on the validity of a statement. All you get is endless drivel like "Coulter has bad hair" on and on, instead whether or not a simple statement is true or not.
"Undocumented" people should be treated until they are "documented". At which time you deport him ASAP.
Squirrel, your clumsy, unskillful and gauche use of analogy leaves some doubt but I suspect that you believe that eventually the health care that we all deserve will be available to everyone in this country.
Human rights for all is nothing to fear, little buddy.
posted on August 10, 2009 09:37:44 AM new
The problem is you think "everyone" is ENTITLED to virtually everything. You stay up nights thinking up what people are "entitled" to.
Everyone who is "entitled" to something means somebody ELSE takes it in the neck. I'm tired of taking it in the neck. I'm tired of paying $10k property taxes so someone can live almost as well as I do.
There is absolutely no defense to Californians footing the bill for medical care for illegals when they don't have it themselves.
You do not need clairvoyance to predict what a government health plan will evolve into. Liberals seem to ignore history in almost all cases. I know you think the "maybe this time will be different than the last 500" theory works, but it doesn't.
Any health care plan has to have stringent safeguards to prevent abuse. Deductibles or whatever is necessary. All you have to do is look at gov workers/etc with top line health plans. A friend's daughter is at the HMO for every sniffle, has had every known antibiotic over the last 15 years for sore throats or whatnot. Multiply it by millions. Even worse if they serve free coffee.
I can easily envision where this can go.
1)Let's see, we definitely have to cover abortion because "poor" people might have babies and Helen would feel bad
2)We'll need special breakfast and lunch programs.
3) Then drug "treatment".
4) Since the patient might not seek treatment, we'll probably have to bar notification of drug offenses and gunshot wounds, etc. Maybe we can have special services and condoms for hookers. Why should pimps have to foot the bill?
At best you wind up with the crap the rest of the world gets. 80% get worse care so that the remaining 20% (a significant portion of which are absolute freeloaders in every aspect of their existence.)
Now tell us how poor people are all widows with 3 kids whose husband just dropped dead after working 10 years in the mill.
posted on August 10, 2009 12:12:27 PM new
I am waiting for someone to actually be killed at one of these townhall meetings. The way the discussions have been escalating, it would not surprise me if something like this actually happens.
posted on August 10, 2009 07:07:45 PM new
Just ignore this. For some reason I can't enable the image correctly ... believe me it's not worth the effort. I'll try later ..
[ edited by kozersky on Aug 10, 2009 07:13 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2009 03:03:53 PM new
You fools have no idea of what is happening, do you? It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on August 13, 2009 08:35:58 PM new
This board has been quiet. I am assuming that everyone is or has read the versions of the House and Senate Bills.
Has anyone noticed that the members of Congress are excluded from the provisions of the House and Senate Bills?
If these bills are so good, and are "to provide quality health care for all Americans" why aren't memebers of Congress and their families included within the provisions of the bills? Don't you think that they should be?
If you unsure about this, you could always call, write or email your elected representative and ask them.
posted on August 14, 2009 09:53:36 AM newHas anyone noticed that the members of Congress are excluded from the provisions of the House and Senate Bills
The bills do not require employees who are insured in the private sector to move into a government sponsored plan. Federal employees also have what amounts to an employer sponsored plan, so why should they be forced to do something that non federal employees won't be forced to do? Another way to look at it is that they will already be part of the plan by default.
There is no difference between the health insurance plans that congressmen have and those that other federal employees have. A Park Service ranger has the same insurance options that Ted Kennedy has. This idea that congress receives some sort of special magic gold plated option is blown way out of proportion.
Having said that, I do believe that the public option would stand a much better chance of passing if the exclusion didn't exist.
Oh goody, another Bear drive-by insult. Bear, please tell us what's happening. In your own words of course. We're waiting....
posted on September 1, 2009 06:46:23 PM new
You fools hate it when your tactics are used against you, dont you! It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on September 1, 2009 09:16:51 PM new
Bear, by calling people fools and refusing to actually engage in discussion, you only give away your own lack of intellect. i don't for a minute believe you could ever actually engage in a real debate, but remain foolishly optimistic enough to continue to offer you the opportunity to try. Come on, give it a go. let's hear something out of your Tejano brain besides monosyllabic insults. Give us something that you actually thought up that's not a schoolyard taunt, and wasn't copied off one of your "news" sites or forwarded to you by a "friend". Double Dog Dare you.
posted on September 2, 2009 07:24:32 AM new
Prof WHY should I debate you close minded O Bozo worshiping fools. You all (with the exception of the few that havent been permanently banned here), have all branded O bozo as the new messiah. This man is doing MORE to destroy America and the RIGHTS of it people than anyone ever has.
Crow used to decry the Bush admin as a fascist regime but with all the CZARS that answers to only him O bozo has undermined the Constitution and is determined to "REMAKE AMERICA" (his own words).
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on September 2, 2009 07:47:45 AM new
They just don't get it. The make posts about their eyes filling with tears at the latest speech, etc.
Speeches mean nothing except giving a bonus to the guy that hired the speech writer.
Obama had a chance to do something significant. Instead he showed himself to be just another hack politician and his party buddies in making up for time lost at the trough, have run amok in an orgy of spending and patronage that would humiliate an oriental potentate.
It may be the shortest orgy in US political history. The Democrats are terrified at the polls, which is why the President has been to NJ SEVERAL times to prop up Corzine. They see Corzine as the beginning of the end. Think of it. If Corzine can't buy an election in a state with mass concentrations of party supporters, what's going to happen in the places they barely won?
We've got the biggest “let's-get-scared-shitless” industry in the world. It's the sissy side of being the world's biggest bully. After 9/11, our government got so scared it started torturing people. Any kind of new flu gets us all scared. Illegal immigrants scare us. Gays scare us. Child molesters scare us. Serial killers scare us. Commies used to scare us, but now Muslims scare us. Dick Cheney's rule applies: if there's a one percent chance something bad will happen, act as if it's a hundred percent certainty. Black men scare even Jesse Jackson. Teenage mothers scare us. Women and especially young girls who like sex scare us. We buy guns all the time like it's no tomorrow: big, scary guns. We're scared that Iran will get nuclear bombs and that Pakistan has them. European socialism scares us, whatever the #*!@ it is. We're scared of rogue states and an axis of evil, whatever the #*!@ they are. What we tend to forget is that the rest of the world is more scared of America than anything else, because we've got the biggest military in the world, and spend more than the rest of the world combined on the military, nine times more than #2 China, and that we have the largest economy in the world, which creates such weapons of mass destruction as derivatives with which we bomb the rest of the world to financial destruction, and that we have more nuclear-tipped rockets aimed at everybody else than they have bugs in their lawns. Here we sit safely behind two ocean moats on both sides, and we've got this huge nuclear arsenal, scaring the whole world shitless, but we're the ones who scare like total sissies. I don't get it.
posted on September 2, 2009 09:48:17 AM new
Gosh, we're just so silly.
Why would some religious fanatics go out of their way to mess with us...
Oh, gee 9/11, etc, etc. Oh but that's just an oddity. and Russia, Italy, Spain...
And nobody would ever attack a more powerful country. Well except for Germany, Korea, VietNam, China..... gee just about any conflict in the last few hundred years.
But there's nothing to worry about because we can always train the troops on wooden machine guns al la 1940 and 1950 till our order from the Land's End catalog comes in.
Poor whack packers. Most of the world is a cesspool and yet the never ending cry:
posted on September 2, 2009 10:24:46 AM new
crowfarm isn't here Bear. We are. I for one don't worship anyone, and I've never branded anyone "The Messiah", especially not a politician. In fact, in another thread here I've registered my dissatisfaction with the current administration and the Dems for not doing enough. You're still just calling names, afraid or unable to back up your opinions with any sort of facts or logical thought independent of what others publish.
You and your ilk are irrelevant, as over 3 quarters of the voting population in this country wants real health insurance reform. Once the dems get over their silly preoccupation with bipartisanship, the job will get done.
How's the Texas Secessionist movement coming along? Your governor sure is slutting up to those nuts. I for one applaud your efforts and can't wait for the U.S. to be a 49 state country once again.
posted on September 2, 2009 01:45:12 PM newHow's the Texas Secessionist movement coming along? Your governor sure is slutting up to those nuts. I for one applaud your efforts and can't wait for the U.S. to be a 49 state country once again.
Bear has been to busy trying to organize his 1st hetero pride parade for the past 5 years to worry about the Texas Secessionist movement. Just like most of Bear's posts he is all talk and no substance.
If Texas secedes from the union they should take the rest of the South with them.
