posted on September 28, 2009 04:44:05 PM new
This article regarding the Canadian health Care system was in Sundays LA Times:
"In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option"
"What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list," said Brian Day, a former Canadian Medical Assn. director who runs a private surgical center in Vancouver. "You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list."
Since future healthcare in the U.S. will be similar to blowing up a balloon, while compressing the balloon's sides. We will most likely face the same problems.
As I have posted before, when it comes to health care, Congress knows what is best for us, and what is better for them.
"Lawmakers can choose among several plans and get special treatment at federal medical facilities. In 2008, taxpayers spent about $15 billion to insure 8.5 million federal workers and their dependents." helenjw, September 21, 2009
posted on September 28, 2009 06:42:22 PM new
Vintageu, you're not up to speed on this. Obama has already stated that Canada's system wouldn't work for the US.
posted on September 28, 2009 08:33:20 PM new
At a press conference with Canadian PM Harper and Mexican President Calderon Obama said:
I've said that the Canadian model works for Canada, Obama said, It would not work for the United States, in part simply because we've evolved differently. We have a employer-based system and a private-based health care system that stands side-by-side with Medicare and Medicaid and our Veterans Administration health care system. And so, we've got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem.
posted on September 29, 2009 07:11:55 AM new
when will chicken little learn, it doesn't matter how many times you say something or how loudly you yell it at crowds of people or how often you mudder it under your breath while walking the streets - it doesn't make it fact.
similarly, posting in the RT a few dozen times the same crap doesn't make it any more true. if you want to debate some actual data, great, but so far your just another worthless copy and paster without any original thoughts of your own.
now hurry go drudge up some more pointless drivel to start a new post out of, then sit back and feel good about how you don shown us RT'ers how thangs really are in your kuntry.
posted on September 29, 2009 09:48:42 AM new
Hey guys, I have decided that many of you that post at this board either: 1) have no health insurance; 2) have a high deductible; 3) expensive insurance; 4) are denied coverage for a specific condition; 5) are in debt because of your health bills; 6) are on Medicare, and cannot afford supplemental coverage; 8) have an elderly relative that requires health care and you are unable to assist; or 8) are just plain naive.
And, the possibility also exists that not unlike vintage4u, just acting stupidly without considering the facts.
This country has no money, will have no money, and because of the coming tide of retirees, will have difficulty meeting future retirement benefits. Who knows? We just might not be able to float a Navy.
Consider that the only reason we were able to outlast the former Soviet Union was that we had additional monies from Social Security taxes to sustain our military expansion. The Soviet Union did not.
Further, the Middle East war campaigns of both Bush and Obama, has and will further drain our ability to fund retiree benefits, and to fund any health care now, and in the future.
Furthermore, the immigration problem, where illegals are performing work without properly contributing to Social Security taxes, and with the possibility of having to pay benefits to the undocumented workers when they return to their countries, further increases the debt burden.
Moreover, now, we have no money to support our growing elderly, and to properly care for their health, whatever the method. We have to borrow and the debt service will most likely be larger than the military expenditure, unless there is fiscal responsibility in Washington.
The present health care proposal, is not a responsible fiscal plan.
Whatever the promises, the possibility exists that we will find ourselves in the same position as Canada, and the U.K.
The solution to solving our health care dilemma should be implemented on a step by step basis, rather than throwing everyone, except the member of Congress, into the pot.
Only when the members of Congress include themselves as part of any health care plan, can we be sure that it is an adequate plan.
posted on September 29, 2009 10:28:21 AM new
"Furthermore, the immigration problem, where illegals are performing work without properly contributing to Social Security taxes, and with the possibility of having to pay benefits to the undocumented workers when they return to their countries, further increases the debt burden"
In response to the above statement, this is from a column by Immigration attorney Alan Wernick in his NY Daily News column:
"Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Social Security Retirement Benefits. Those benefits are available only to U.S. citizens and permanent residents. That's true even though many undocumented immigrants, like your father, pay into Social Security. Undocumented immigrants have paid billions of dollars into the system and get nothing in return." In other words, SS benefits from illegals who contribute billions and take out nothing.
posted on September 29, 2009 12:39:32 PM new
Don't worry. I heard they're going to tax the "rich people".
NY, CA have already started and the net effect??? Revenues have dropped dramatically. 20% or more. You know why?
1) There ain't that many "rich" people anymore and
2) "Rich" people are fleeing as fast as their Lear Jets can fly. Some states (FL, etc) are offering huge tax breaks and incentives to rich folks and companies to re-locate.
I see even the current crew in DC have started to figure this out. So to help finance they're going to tax people with "elaborate" health plans. The hilarious side product?? Their buddies in the unions are now ticked, claiming they have curtailed salary demands in the past so as to maintain their benefits.
This animal is in its death throes, biting AND consuming the hand that feeds it. LOL.
Wait till the geezers find out about the cuts in Medicare (not "basic" Medicare, but the private plan enhancements the gov now funds)
posted on September 29, 2009 02:14:03 PM new
coach81938 - this is similar to nailing Jello to the wall. What may be true today, will most certainly not be true tomorrow.
Consider what will happen if the undocumented workers are made citizens under comprehensive reform. They will then be eligible for benefits. Further, when they return home, the benefits will follow them.
Further consider this -
"United States and Mexico Sign Social Security Agreement"
posted on September 29, 2009 03:10:17 PM new
How does this potential agreement have anything to do with ILLEGALS receiving Social Security benefits in the U.S.?
This agreement has to do with Americans working for American companies located in Mexico and vice versa not paying into Social Security in 2 countries. Makes sense.
It seems that you and squirrel are doing a lot of what ifs and assumptions. Some sound far-fetched. Who knows. The unthinkable could happen---a successful health reform bill. Now that would make you really unhappy.
posted on September 29, 2009 03:13:20 PM new
Did you read anything? How about:
"A person who is or has been subject to the applicable laws of one Party and who resides in the territory of the other Party, as well as the person's dependents or survivors who reside in the territory of the other Party, shall receive equal treatment with nationals of the other Party in the implementation of the applicable laws of the other Party regarding entitlement to and payment of benefits."
Please tell us what you think that means.
[ edited by vintageu on Sep 30, 2009 12:42 AM ]
posted on September 29, 2009 05:27:26 PM new
""A person who is or has been subject to the applicable laws of one Party and who resides in the territory of the other Party, as well as the person's dependents or survivors who reside in the territory of the other Party, shall receive equal treatment with nationals of the other Party in the implementation of the applicable laws of the other Party regarding entitlement to and payment of benefits."
I must be dense, but this whole agreement is for Americans working at American companies in Mexico and Mexicans working in Mexican companies in the U.S. They get credit with either company towards their SS benefits--no gaps because they are out of their country. This does not pertain to undocumented workers. Also, as I said in a previous post any undocumented workers who contribute to Socail Security in America will lose those contributions because they cannot collect them. Social Security and thus retired Americans reap the benefits of this.
Vintageu, to avoid confusion, you need to organize and verify your information before you begin a thread or attempt a reply.
Right off the bat, Kiara and Coach corrected your information about the Canadian comparison.
After dismissing that excellent correction with the quip, "It really doesn't matter", you leap to irrelevant speculation about our personal insurance status followed by the comical observation that "we" are either naive or stupid or not aware of facts.
With those words, you just described yourself little buddy. It's called projection.
posted on September 30, 2009 02:22:28 PM new
In reference to the Social Security Benefits, some in Congress must be concerned about the issue. Remember the liberals in Congress would just as soon give all your tax money away.
Here are links to two measures that were introduced that attempted to designate who should not receive Social Security Benefits. One from the 111th Congress and the 110th Congress. They have gone nowhere.
H.R.160 111th Congress
"Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)"
"To amend title II of the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide prospectively that wages earned, and self-employment income derived, by individuals who are not citizens or nationals of the United States shall not be credited for coverage under the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program under such title, and to provide the President with authority to enter into agreements with other nations taking into account such limitation on crediting of wages and self-employment income. "
"To amend title II of the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide prospectively that wages earned, and self-employment income derived, by individuals who are not citizens or nationals of the United States shall not be credited for coverage under the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program under such title, and to provide the President with authority to enter into agreements with other nations taking into account such limitation on crediting of wages and self-employment income. "
"Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)"
posted on September 30, 2009 08:17:00 PM new
Illegal immigrants often do the work locals do not want to do,and then they get sick.
we get what we pay for,pay them cheap and then they get sick,so no bargain.
I am not sure the Canadian system is so great,and the way we treat our veterans is a disgrace.
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