My very good, best bud, dearest and oldest friend, KRS post is outdated - old news.
I love the way all the congressmen/women refer to anyone who disagrees with them as "my very good friend." LOL!
The article shows that - as usual - Gore wants Gore votes counted and to hell with the rest. Seminole is a great example of his willingness to disenfranchise legal votes (such as he's attempted with the military) but all the while screaming for every vote to count.
Sometimes a man lies so much that we start to believe him. I thought it was brazen of he and Lieberman to claim that "10,000 votes haven't been counted even once." Technically, that's true. They were counted twice - by machine. Just like the other 175,000 thousands votes in Florida that the machine counted twice and threw out with no votes for President. I'm sooooo surprised that he's not at all interested in the other 165,000 or so voter's "rights." After all, they're mostly Republican.
Shame on him for his lies and shame on us for believing him.
posted on November 28, 2000 07:58:37 AM
So you make yourself laughable by refering to me as "My very good, best bud, dearest and oldest friend"?
Suit yourself.
I really like it that those GOP 'assistants' did not ALTER the mailings, they only ADDED TO them. All perfectly innocent, if you're a sucker for hyperbole.
And the only refutation that the new (the previous one was worried) attorney for the Republican party in this case can offer to the charge that the republican campaign manager had denied equal access to those mailings to democrats is "I haven't seen it"?
posted on November 28, 2000 08:09:38 AM
Helping someone with an absentee application isn't exactly new. This is only issue because they are trying to get Bush votes thrown out. It seems the judge hearing the case may be guilty of the same thing.
"SANFORD, Fla. (AP) - The Seminole County judge presiding over a Democratic activist's lawsuit to dismiss 4,700 presidential absentee ballots had absentee ballot problems of her own in her campaign this summer. A campaign worker says he filled in voter-identification numbers on about 3,000 absentee ballot requests that originated with the campaign of Circuit Judge Debra Nelson."
posted on November 28, 2000 08:18:42 AM
Be careful, uaru. Mybiddness is likely to call your post old news despite the fact that it has to do with an ongoing case and cannot be old news until the case is decided or tossed.
posted on November 28, 2000 08:22:40 AM
It is old news. Even Gore with all his optimism doesn't seem to hold any hope on this attempt to throw out 15,000 votes on a technicality. Have you seen any of his spin doctors even mention it?
posted on November 28, 2000 08:35:06 AM
If every single undervote in Florida is not going to be counted using a set standard, then any talk of every vote counting is just political hogwash.
posted on November 28, 2000 08:42:54 AMKrs If you get any more cranky with me I'm gonna be forced to call you sweetheart - and yes, I'm just having fun. Ridiculous, yes - but extremely politically correct. Am I the only one laughing when these politicians address each other with gritted teeth "My dear friend." Very laughable, IMO. Actually, I do consider you a friend in a very wierd cyber kinda way - even though we're miles apart on this issue.
I said your post was old news because it didn't contain the newest info regarding the charges. IOW, it didn't have the other side's response. My post was a follow up article to the original one. I think this newest "issue" will wash down the drain where it belongs.
posted on November 28, 2000 08:44:57 AM"If every single undervote in Florida is not going to be counted using a set standard, then any talk of every vote counting is just political hogwash."
Amen! And setting a standard after the election isn't going to fly with the public or the courts.
posted on November 28, 2000 12:34:56 PM
No, I haven't seen a Dem mention of a wish to toss all the votes, but in that situation it's about all that could be done.
I think that suit is part of their collage meant to color larger cases to come, and there is no expectation that they will prevail.
As to that standard of nicety, it's just usual lawyer ballyhoo. Kinda' suits you, mybiddness. Embellishes your obsequity.
posted on November 28, 2000 07:28:01 PM
Howdy, from Austin Texas yall.A civil rights attorney by the name of Jim Harrington filed a lawsuit on the 11th ammendment question of the President and running mate being from the same State, there fore, loseing the electoral
Votes.This happened this morning,And it may get thrown out or who the heck knows.Seems to me the republicans are more impatient to go on with what is counted and scr-- the rest.I say hang on for the ride,This is history in the making and we are getting the chance at a front seat row.My new imagineary friend Mr.
Hankee says he feels right at home.Just dont turn on the fan around him.
Hi junkson!
posted on November 29, 2000 09:27:34 AM
I would now watch this case closely as it may turn out to be the sleeper of the whole election. It is worth following...... Zelda
posted on November 29, 2000 09:35:04 AM
I hope they throw all those votes out! A bit of the usual double standard that Bush wants to keep the ballots that were manipulated, but throw out the ones that people were unable to punch all the way through. I hope they throw them out. Let's see the Florida Legislature try to explain THAT when they send their illegitimate electors to the Electoral College.
KatyD
[ edited by KatyD on Nov 29, 2000 09:36 AM ]
posted on November 29, 2000 01:49:32 PM
Please explain how adding a voter ID number onto the absentee ballot request form is considered manipulating the ballot. Those are two different forms.. correct? The forms that had this added on, where the ones that people sent in to request an absentee ballot.. right?
posted on November 29, 2000 02:28:03 PM
Dave Barry says that voting fraud is Florida's third biggest industry, behind tourism and skin cancer.
Used to be, you only had to put the last 4 digits of your social security number on your request to be sent an absentee ballot. Because of voting fraud, though, a few years ago it was changed, and it was required that each person requesting an absentee ballot put their own personal voter indentification number on their request.
As I understand it, political parties can print up their own requests for absentee ballots, and they send those to their party members who might want to request absentee ballots. The Republicans, in printing up their requests, neglected to put a line on the form for individual voters to put their personal voter identification numbers on. So, the Republican voters sent back their requests for absentee ballots, and did not put their voter identification numbers on the forms (since there was no line there telling them to.)
Now come these 4,700 requests for absentee ballots, sent back by those who received defective forms from the Republican party, absent the required identification numbers. The Seminole County Supervisor of Elections rejects them, the law that was passed to prevent voter fraud says that the requesting absentee voters have to have provided their voter identification number with their request.
These already rejected requests are now discovered by the Republican party, who ask the Seminole Supervisor of Elections if they can come into the elections office, add each individual person's number to the already rejected requests, and resubmit them. And that's what the Republican party did. The Supervisor of Elections then accepted the forms she'd previously rejected, and sent out 4,700 absentee ballots.
If the idea of the changed rules was to prevent voting fraud, it seems to completely ignore that safeguard to let people get ballots sent to them who haven't put their voter id number on their requests.
It is claimed that the republican board chairman allowed republican representatives (operatives, if they had been democrats) to place those ID numbers on requests by republican voters for ballots which then made those requests valid and processable. No such service was provided for democratic requestors and their requests were tossed out as not being complete.
In other words, republicans who submitted incomplete requests got ballots and were able to vote but democrats who submitted incomplete requests got no ballots and could not vote.
One of the many forms of republican ballot box stuffing.
posted on November 29, 2000 03:04:37 PM
krs, I hadn't heard that it was only the republicans that got the voter ID number placed on the forms and all incomplete Democratic requests were tossed. If that is the case, than I would agree that is manipulation. ~~~ Awh, re-reading the articles.. I see where it says that now. Forget I asked my questions.
Am I the only one laughing when these politicians address each other with gritted teeth "My dear friend." Very laughable, IMO. Actually, I do consider you a friend in a very wierd cyber kinda way - even though we're miles apart on this issue.
