krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 10:56:01 AM new
For safety's sake, hunters in Ohio are required by law to display at
least 400 square inches of hunter's blaze orange on their person when in
the woods. Capitalizing on the fact that hunters do not usually shoot
orange, PETA recently bulk purchased blaze orange vests and have been
affixing them to life-trapped deer in Youngstown suburbs. According to
PETA spokesperson Katie Reese, a total of 405 vests were successfully put
into circulation prior to this week, with additional specimens still
being caught and vested.
Youngtown entrepreneur Guy Lockey, of Guy's Outdoors has spit in the
face of PETA by offering rewards for the returned vests this week.
Hunters who can successfully bag a vested deer can pay $5 for random and
biggest animal awards. As of Tuesday, 308 of the vests had already been
recorded as bagged with most of the hunters registering for Mr. Lockey's
drawing.
"It's so easy, you can see them coming a mile away" said one first year
hunter after checking in his first spike buck.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 10:58:54 AM new
What will they get paid for bagging a vested hunter? I "get" Youngtown entrepreneur Guy Lockey, of Guy's Outdoors' point, but isn't this an invitation for some tragedies to happen?
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:00:53 AM new
Yep, no matter how you look at this, it's stupid.
I guess PETA would rather all of those deer starve or freeze to death.
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codasaurus
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:06:31 AM new
Hello Krs,
Reminds me of the folks who used to (perhaps still do) protest the annual deer hunt in the wildlife refuge near my boyhood home.
Showed up at the start of the special hunt (it was by permit). None of these protesters, to my knowledge, was local to the area. And none of them ever protested prior to the refuge being established when deer were "unethically" hunted since time out of mind.
The protesters showed up, got themselves on the New York TV news and then abandoned the effort until the next year.
The refuge was established in part because the area was being considered as a site for a fourth major New York area airport. It bordered on a very affluent township that had many prominent and influential residents.
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:06:43 AM new
James, the Ohio Department of Natural Resources did express a concern:
"ODNR officials are worried that the poorly thought out plan by PETA might get somebody shot instead of saving the deer. "Hunters have turned their plan upside down, we're just hoping that nobody gets hurt and are
hoping that none of the vested animals get tangled in brush" said an unnamed ODNR official. "PETA has really outdone itself this time."
Ohio's statewide gun season is open to shotguns only and is scheduled to close on Saturday.
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:09:44 AM new
Coda,
You're in New York? Well, I declare.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:15:56 AM new
KRS: that's just East of Idaho. 
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:23:43 AM new
There probably is one there. When you drive around Idaho, particularly, you keep running into towns with familiar names. I spent a week in Moscow with a woman who was a student at the University of Idaho, and we never left her apartment.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:47:56 AM new
krs- shotguns? this is not exactly the most accurate type of firearm!! doesn't the use of shotguns lead to a large number of wounded animals? unless, of course, the hunters are getting so close(shouldn't be hard considering the animals are freezing and starving-but then it wouldn't be hunting it would be target practice) that they are able to shoot a huge hole in the animal or shoot its head off. what is the rationale behind limiting the firearms to shotguns? although you may remember from my recent post on hunting that it is not my favorite thing, i am not in total agreement with PETA's practices. kenny-you did not say how you feel about the subject you posted! p.s.- what is a "life-trapped" deer?
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 11:54 AM ]
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 11:55:58 AM new
Here's Ohio's laws:
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/hunting/huntregs/pg12.html
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:01:09 PM new
Stusi,
They require shotguns because of their limited range. Rifle bullets can carry for miles, and populated areas could get rained on.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:02:39 PM new
stusi
If you know, why do you ask? You are either ill informed or guessing. To be guided by self-inflicted emotions is not intelligent. Give it up, Bambi and Rudolph are contrived storybook characters.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:06:05 PM new
Bambi and Rudolph are contrived storybook characters
Right-o! Deer are damnable predatory creatures. 
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:23:40 PM new
Just when you think PETA can't get any more entertaining, they start dressing deer like hunters. And to add to the hilarity, hunters start shooting at orange vests. What is this, a "who's wackier" contest?
Reminds me of a Vermont woman living in a remote area (not hard in VT) where a lot of hunting went on. One morning she heard gunfire. She put on her mittens (or maybe she was wearing them indoors - it's cold up there) and ran toward the gunfire waving her hands, apparently intending to tell the hunters to stop. They saw those little white wooly things wagglin' and figured it was the backside of a deer.
She stopped the gunfire, all right.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:27:53 PM new
sarge-be specific about what it supposedly is that i know but am nevertheless asking about due to my being ill-informed (or guessing?) could it be my naivete as to the large number of hunters using live targets to practice on? aren't all emotions self-inflicted including yours? are you saying that an emotion is something that can be externally imposed? or that one should have pure intellect and no emotion? or only those emotions that you in your infinite wisdom deem valid? isn't Ted Nugent a storybook character? isn't sgtmike a storybook character? wasn't there a page in your storybook about not advocating the methods used to obtain baby veal? i guess those emotions were not emotions at all, but pure intellect!
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codasaurus
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:29:19 PM new
Krs,
No.
I grew up in New Jersey. Attended college in Ohio. Lived in Philadelphia for about a year. Returned to New Jersey and completed my college education. Moved to Georgia in order that my wife might be closer to her parents who had retired to Florida.
Hope to be able to relocate to southwestern Virginia some day where we have property. Possibly split our time between Virginia and Florida.
I like the seasons. My wife considers anything below 70 degrees to be glacial conditions. Heheh
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:31:14 PM new
Couple of questions Stusi:
Do you eat meat?
Do you wear leather shoes, coats, gloves, belts, wallets, etc?
Do you eat chicken, or eggs?
Respectfully of course, I am just curious.
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NeartheSea
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:36:30 PM new
All of what Meya said.
PETA should be spelled PITA.
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codasaurus
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:37:04 PM new
Hello Stusi,
New Jersey only permitted deer hunting with shotgun or bow/arrow when I was younger. I trust that they still restrict high power rifles and for precisely the reason that Krs mentioned.
Here in Georgia, it seems that they have a deer season for ever conceivable weapon. Rifle/shotgun, muzzle loader, bow & arrow, etc. etc. etc.
The bag limit for the black powder season alone was 8 deer if I recall correctly.
We don't allow hunting on our property in Virginia. Plenty of National Forest all about us for the hunters to use.
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codasaurus
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:45:47 PM new
Life imitates Art?
Next thing PETA will hire Crocodile Dundee to hang out in the American woods and return fire on the hunters. All in a spirit of good natured joking, of course.
"Oy mate, isn't that a deer with a gun?"
"Crackee, that be Mick Dundee! Let's get outta here!"
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:46:04 PM new
meya- you must have missed the hunting thread i started a few weeks ago. to repeat-yes,yes,yes..i am not a vegetarian! i somehow distinguish between "wild" animals, domestic and farm animals and fish. i put deer, moose, elk etc. in the same category as lions, tigers, giraffe etc. in the same way that i would have a problem with shooting a deer or a dog, others have the problem with just the dog. the exception in my mind is if one is being attacked.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:46:54 PM new
Whitetail deer are extremely destructive to an array of crops, fruit trees and the like where their habitat has diminished and their ranges overlap with humans.
When their numbers become too high,as they now are in many areas of the US, whitetail deer will cause serious damage to forest vegetation through over-browsing and can entirely destroy or inhibit the regeneration of some tree species. They (annually) cause thousands of vehicle accidents, often resulting in serious injury and death to the human occupants of the vehicles.
They can carry diseases and parasites that are very harmful to other animals (livestock) and humans. This problem has increased and is increasing as a result of overpopulation and close proximity to humans and livestock.
Not elimination, just control and happy times.
PS: stusi....??
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:55:47 PM new
James - Just to add a point in response to you concerns.
As a hunter myself - I would imagine that most Ohio hunter have taken the hunter safety course like I have had to. As part of this you can assume that "be certain of your target and your shot - BEFORE you reach for a trigger" would apply.
You NEVER point a gun at orange. Simple. Peta I'm sure has hoped that we would kill each other in mass by assuming we would think the orange is a deer and shoot at it.. In fact, what has likely happened is that hunters are far more safe than peta thought. (If it was me in the treestand - is that you would see the orange a mile away - but when it came closer it would be totally obvious that it was a deer with a high visibility vest on)
(By the way, a vest would also make it terribly easy to have an aiming point)
PETA assumed we would not make sure of the shot before we take them. (Many assume that we simply shoot anything that moves)
They were wrong.
Also, think about the deer that will die tangled in fences and brush because of vests - consigned to the bitter cold and snow and a slow death. (Natural predators will also find the vests to be a useful "sighting aid"
I think these people should be charged with cruelty themselves. There are also likely laws against trapping and harrassing wild animals in the Game Statutes.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:57:26 PM new
I once watched the slaughter of beef cattle in prep for the market.
Big poor dumb animals. They walked up to the edge of a floor vat, a guy shot them between the eyes, into the brain, with a .22 cal. Once they collapsed, another guy straddled their head and slammed their skull with a 10 pound sledge.
I doubt all were always dead. Just stunned so they could be lifted and cut open. Probably still alive and could feel it too.
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:57:39 PM new
Just to clarify...my husband nor I hunt. I don't have a problem with hunting when the meat is used to eat. I'm not much for trophy hunting.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:57:40 PM new
sarge- happy times? i can think of many other ways to have happy times that don't involve killing. this is deja vu all over again. your last post is virtually identical to the one in my recent hunting post. ever heard of survival of the fittest? you sound like the Dr. Kevorkian of the wild! the only difference is that you get no requests. you just play God. and as i have already stated ther are plenty of hunters who use the conservation issue as a cover for their bloodlust. instead of saying "i am sorry that i had to do that", they say "what an easy shoot!" nutspec/sarge- how about the thousands of game that are wounded by poorly aimed shots? SHOULD THESE HUNTERS BE CHARGED WITH CRUELTY? any difference between this and the ones caught in the brush by vests?(i don't advocate the use of vests as by PETA)meya-do you really believe that all hunters hunt for food? and that out of all who do that there are none who really enjoy it solely for the killing? how about all the carcasses that are left behind? some with "trophies" left behind.
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 01:03 PM ]
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 01:08 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:00:16 PM new
Bloodlust?? The men I know that hunt deer do it to provide the meat for their families. Yes, they enjoy the sport of it, but not for bloodlust. Oh my...
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shar9
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:00:59 PM new
krs,
I was almost afraid to click on this topic but I curiosity finally won.
I am sitting here thinking how dangerous this could have been to hunters who usually make certain to avoid orange. Here they were actually looking for orange and I hate to think of what could have happened.
I guess PETA people would say that an animal shot for food is so wrong that it equals the killing of a person but as always when the topic of PETA comes up their logic escapes me every time.
I am sitting here wondering just exactly how they went about getting those vests on the deer?
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:05:46 PM new
I think that they just explained to the deer what advantages would be gained. Most deer are smater than most hunters.
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femme
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:09:08 PM new
Deer schmeer...
I want to hear more about KRS' week in that Moscow Idaho apartment.
Did you walk out? Or did you have to be carried out?
Ooh-la-la 
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