posted on December 23, 2000 09:18:50 AM
Wow, whacko is right. I watched the 2000 club the other night and Pat Roberson (is that that nuts name)? Anyway, he was saying he just couldn't understand Bush's choices. He was complaining that the white evanlgelists put Bush in office and now he turned his back on them by putting in all these moderates. He went on and on and I couldn't believe my ears about what I heard.
What a nasty person he is. Wonder if he's happy now?
By the way, I don't watch that show normally. It just happened to come on after Next Generation and he started with his vile opinion as soon as his face hit the screen, and I just there with my mouth hanging open and listening.
posted on December 23, 2000 09:25:02 AM
Speaking of nasty people (sorry, krs for getting off topic) does anyone know what happened to Bay Buchanan? I didn't hear a peep out of her on TV during the election coverage. She wouldn't shut up during the impeachment fiasco, and I think she had her own show on MSNBC. It's like she's dropped off the face of the earth. Like we should be so lucky...
posted on December 23, 2000 09:42:55 AM
Here's the view of a FAVORITE observer:
"Now that the election is over, the social prejudices that make up Bush's view of the world are beginning to crawl out from under his head. There's little doubt, now, that
with the nomination of Sen. John Ashcroft as Attorney-General and Governor Tommy Thompson as head of the Dept. of Health and Human Services, the Christian Coalition and their
ilk have been rewarded for all those months of keeping their mouths shut so as not to alarm those moderate voters that Bush needed to get Scalia to declare him the winner in the 5-4 Supreme Court decision. For those with short memories, please recall that Ashcroft decided not to run in the Republican presidential primaries, being to the right of Gary Bauer on social values, not to mention his ugly responses to the nominations of judges who happen to be black. As for Tommy Thompson, his anti-abortion, anti-welfare, and anti-women attitudes as expressed during his tenure in Wisconsin suggests that he is as obsessed with placing social restrictions upon citizens as Bush has been in Texas. There, Dr. Archer, son of the ultra-right Republican Congressman, ended up resigning in disgrace as a result of his restrictive, Christian Coalition social obsessions. (Dr. Archer also was responsible for Poppy's abortion education restrictions at federal clinics during the previous Bush administration.) Based on Bush's selection of two administrators who have members of the Christian Coalition jumping up and down in glee, it's clear that he doesn't intend to be a social moderate as president. Those who disagree might point to his nomination of pro-choice Governor Christine Todd Whitman as his EPA head, but that's clearly window-dressing, since few believe that an interest in the reproductive lives of spotted owls and lizards has much to do with their social rights as human beings." --Politex, 12/22/00
posted on December 23, 2000 09:49:14 AM
Wow. That bit from Bay was dated Nov. 10, and of course (although I hate saying it) she is right. Still...nothing from her recently? Maybe someone told her to shut up? Her brother? Trent Lott? Bob Barr? Orrin Hatch? Hmmm.....could be....
posted on December 23, 2000 10:56:59 AM
All of this does not suprise me. It was way overdo. Bush had to thank the conservatives that put him where he is today. Paybacks are a #*!@!
Liberals must learn now to unite or we are going to be the losers.
"As Ben Franklin, another great liberal said, "We must all hang
together. Else we shall all hang seperately."
posted on December 23, 2000 05:20:24 PM
"WITH THE SELECTION OF BOB JONES FAVORITE JOHN ASHCROFT, BUSH INSULTS DECENT PEOPLE"
"Mr. Ashcroft is...a man of cramped vision, unyielding attitudes and limited tolerance for those who disagree with him. His actions on racial matters alone are enough to give one pause. As Missouri's attorney general, he opposed even a voluntary school desegregation plan in metropolitan St. Louis. He also conducted a mean-spirited and dishonest campaign against Ronnie White, Missouri's first black State Supreme Court justice, when Justice White was nominated for a federal judgeship. Mr. Ashcroft claimed, erroneously, that Justice White was soft on the death penalty. As an added insult, Mr. Ashcroft also accepted an honorary degree last year from Bob Jones University, a bastion of the Christian right with a history of racial discrimination.Mr. Ashcroft has been one of the Senate's most adamant opponents of a woman's right to choose an abortion. During his political career in Missouri, he sought to criminalize abortion, and he has consistently supported an extreme constitutional amendment that would ban abortion even in the case of rape or incest. Mr. Ashcroft has a poor record on church-state issues and on gay rights, and a dismal record on the environment. There is thus reason to wonder how vigorously he will help Mrs. Whitman enforce environmental laws." --New York Times Editorial,
12/23/00
posted on December 23, 2000 06:23:48 PM
near - you're right it is the 700 club. I told you I never watch that fool. LOL There was an article in the paper about what he said on this show, and it said 700.
posted on December 28, 2000 05:17:53 PM
Ashcroft RENTED his list of financial contributors to Linda Tripp and that other bimbo? Rented it? I'd have thought that he'd have been happy to make the calls....
posted on December 28, 2000 05:28:48 PM
I don't think it'll go easy for him. There is a lot of stuff in the news about a need to challenge him in the confirmation hearing.
Personally, I think he's too far out there for Bush, but is being offered up as a "see, I tried" by Bush to some of his very stringent and devout contributors.
posted on December 28, 2000 06:07:36 PM
I don't really know anything about Senate confirmations. The last time they were makingh any waves was in '93, and I wasn't exactly up on that type of thing back then. One thing I've heard mentioned lately is that the Senate tends to go easy on one of their own, so the fact that 50% of the Senate is Democrat may not be much of a hindrance to him. Any thoughts?
posted on December 28, 2000 08:22:21 PM
Only that I think every senator has friends and foes within the senate from each party. He was in there, and I doubrt that his confirmation will be dictated by hard line party loyalty. Some republicans may well vote against him.
It's like an interrogatory in which all aspects of his past, his views, and his aims will be fair game.
posted on December 29, 2000 01:47:51 AM
"So what does everyone think? Will this guy be confirmed? Easily?"
Sure, it's a done deal. Wasn't he in the Senate Judiciary Committee at one time himself? They won't be looking askance at his political views, they all have political views, we expect presidents to appoint people who share the president's political views. What they look for are is something that's against the law (like the Zoe Baird nanny thing), or secretly cavorting with Russkies (don't think there's any chance of finding that.)
"Is there really a magazine named "Southern Partisan Magazine"?"
posted on December 29, 2000 07:15:35 AM
I'm too cheap to subscribe to anything, Krs, including magazines, theology, and political beliefs.
I went and looked around for it on the net. I found excerpts and references. These guys are big on "states' rights," and warn about the evils of the "New World Order." No suprises there.
The undercurrents of all of this has been here in the South, surely long before I came here 20 years ago, it's not new. People who were born in the South don't recognize it, people who haven't lived in the South don't realize it.
When my ninth grade Social Studies teacher at I.S. 145, Queens, NYC, mentioned in passing that people in the South learned about "The War Between the States," rather than "The Civil War," I thought he was wrong, that couldn't be true, not in the 1970's. But it was true, I found that out myself when I moved down here a few years later.
Steven King should get out of Maine and come down here, he's a master at conveying a constant wrongness below the apparent normalcy that rises to the surface during the course of the story.
Lemme tell you something. I live in a normal looking town. Everyone gets along fine. We have a fair sized four year college here, with the requisite numbers of liberal-leaning professors. We have a fair number of Indians here, doctors and hotel-keepers. We have a pretty fair sized number of Filipinos here. We have some Vietnamese down the highway in one direction, and William Calley down the highway in the other direction. We even have Yankees here. It's not NYC, but, for the size of the town, and being in the deep South, it's got more of a mix than you'd think.
But don't for a minute think it's "The New South." It's not, and I don't think there's any such a thing. "Paris Trout" and Leo Frank are this town. And I could stand in front of the theatre down on the main street, that looks just like it did that day in 1953, or stand in front of the Coca-Cola plant that used to be the prison, and ask the first person who passed by who those people were. Odds of a 1,000 to 1, they wouldn't know, but it doesn't matter. Whether they know those names or not, those long-dead people are more of what the South really is than any number of live Indian doctors.
But the people who live here never see it, to them it's just normal. And no matter how long I live here, I'll always be, to them, a Yankee. You can see them processing you as soon as you say the first word. I am always "Other," everyone not born in the South is, and even if you are born and raised in the South, you can still be "Other." On meeting one of my daughter's 4th grade teachers, this woman said to me - "Oh, so that's where she gets her brogue."
Brogue?? Nobody in my family has been closer to Ireland than an Irish coffee in almost a hundred years. What she meant was Northern accent, (and my daughter had never been farhter north than Atlanta in her life), but delicate sensibilities forbid the use of that particular "N" word.
John Ashcroft a whacko?? A doubt that there's a real magazine called "The Southern Partisan?" This guy and these things are nowhere near the edge of the pale, let alone beyond it.
posted on December 29, 2000 07:59:07 AM
jamesoblivion,
My first thought on Ashcroft was to cringe and think, done deal. Reading some of these links it might be a little difficult but I think in the end he will make it unless GW puts a more controversial person up then he might have to flip a coin and to see who he wants or needs more then one of them will be left dangling.
krs remarks about payback to the religious right and the "I tried" remark make interesting thought too.
