jlpiece
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posted on April 12, 2001 12:58:55 PM
I can't believe the nerve of that man. After all of these posters in here assured us of a war with China due to Bush's inexperience with foreign policy, the US still got everything they wanted without capitulating to the Chinese.
Imagine that.
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Zazzie
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:03:12 PM
da plane da plane---he ain't got da plane
who needs spys??
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jlpiece
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:06:57 PM
Yet.
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Zazzie
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:08:32 PM
there get it back when China has finished with it---a few more pictures, a few more tests.
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enchanted
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:09:05 PM
It's never "over" with the chinese.
so it's not over yet.
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jlpiece
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:17:35 PM
i don't even like Bush at all - didn't vote for him, but I have to admit that it couldn't have been handled better.
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gravid
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:21:03 PM
Time they get through with that plane it will take off easy with one engine and no flaps, because it will weigh about the same as a Cessna.
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uaru
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posted on April 12, 2001 01:24:03 PM
I wasn't too worried about the China/US/SpyPlane affair. I still have all my emergency supplies and bunker from my Y2K preparations. I suppose I should get word to my wife she can come out of the bunker. I don't allow radios in the bunker for fear of secret messages being broadcasted to saboteurs (learned that from the Dr. Strangelove movie.) I'll get a weekend of peace before I relay the news to her that we are back to "DefCon 5."
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krs
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posted on April 12, 2001 02:06:29 PM
So why didn't he apologize sooner?
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chum
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posted on April 12, 2001 02:12:28 PM
He had to apoligize to them before Jesse Jackson went there(the repubs were scared to death of a democrat doing the right thing). I knew they would let them go, the Chinese sent a strong signal telling dumbya "dont mess with China" We could have traded them dumbya for the soldiers, but it wouldent have been fair for China.
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krs
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posted on April 12, 2001 02:29:47 PM
I think Powell tried that. The Chinese refused.
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HJW
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posted on April 12, 2001 02:50:08 PM
The Chinese missed an opportunity to learn how to play baseball...
After learning the game, I'm sure that they could dispose of the body.
Maybe gravid could give them a few pointers on that procedure. 
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on April 12, 2001 02:59:22 PM
Dumbya's little speech today was essentially a "neener neener, didn't really mean it". Course now the Chinese will be so pissed we won't even get the PIECES back. I did however enjoy watching Junior Bush getting squeezed by the "AnythingForABuck" and "AlwaysReligiouslyRight" factions within his own party. Most entertaining. 
KatyD
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HJW
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posted on April 12, 2001 03:07:42 PM
Like enchanted said, it's not over!
It's not over with the chinese and it's not
over with dumya.
Helen
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jlpiece
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posted on April 12, 2001 04:15:26 PM
I had no idea - last I checked there was no apology for the incident, landing the plane in China, spying on them, or the accident. Just the same apology as initially offered that day for the death of the pilot. They insisted on a fromal apology for all of the above - could you provide us with a link showing us this concession?
Did I miss something?
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KatyD
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posted on April 12, 2001 04:28:56 PM
Yep.
Please convey to the Chinese people and to the family of pilot Wang Wei that we are very sorry for their loss. and
We are very sorry the entering of China's airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance
Full text may be found here
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/11/prueher.letter.text/
KatyD
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[ edited by KatyD on Apr 12, 2001 04:30 PM ]
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KatyD
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posted on April 12, 2001 04:37:34 PM
And this is interesting commentary regarding the semantic wrangling...
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,106097,00.html
What a bunch of bull sh..er..baloney.
KatyD
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sideslam
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posted on April 12, 2001 08:39:47 PM
I cannot believe this came down to a few words and there meaning.
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krs
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posted on April 12, 2001 09:29:10 PM
I know what you mean, sideslam. It was never that way on my turnip truck either.
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Borillar
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posted on April 12, 2001 10:18:51 PM
Well! Now that Dumbya has had a major course in World Diplomacy, now he's ready to go broker a Middle East agreement. Elevator going Up ... then Diagonal ... then bound for Parts Unknown ...
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margot
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posted on April 13, 2001 05:59:40 AM
A friend of mine's son is a navy pilot. She sent me a copy of the "real" letter. I thought you'd like to read it:
In case you hadn't heard these....
AP)Washington, DC.
"The United States of America apologizes to the People's Republic of China for allowing our slow, lumbering reconnaissance plane to be hit by your poorly trained, hot-dogging fighter pilot, while flying in international
airspace.
We're sorry we have to fly surveillance missions to monitor a country that
has nuclear missiles pointed at us.
We're sorry your pilot didn't follow international standards of fighter
intercept protocol.
We're sorry his aircraft recognition skills were so poor he didn't realize the EP-3 aircraft was propeller driven and flew his aircraft through its propeller arc, destroying his aircraft and nearly killing 24 American crewmen.
We're sorry your fighter pilot's survival training and equipment was so inadequate that he couldn't survive until your poorly trained and equipped navy could find him (they turned down our offer for search and rescue assistance).
We're sorry you violated international law and arrested the crewmen of an aircraft that legally diverted into your airfield under emergency conditions caused by your pilot's actions, after being led there by one of your other pilots.
We're sorry you violated international law and boarded a state aircraft.
We're sorry the world is now seeing you for the enemy of freedom, truth, and democracy that you really are.
We're sorry you see yourself as a superpower when in reality you are a third world nation (the average Chinese worker earns less than $.10 a day).
We're sorry you are loosing so much face over this.
We're sorry that you were able to steal some missile and nuclear secrets from us.
We're sorry you haven't learned from the Soviet Union's collapse and failed to embrace democracy and capitalism (compare tiny Taiwan and mainland China; same people, same culture, but Taiwan's capitalistic economy is a powerhouse and China's economy is still mired in communism).
We're sorry for the future Chinese military deaths that will occur when we retaliate for your roughish behavior.
And most of all, we're sorry for the Chinese people who suffer its leaders'incompetence.
P.S. If a speed boat goes out to inspect a cruise ship and they collide, who's at fault?"
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jlpiece
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posted on April 13, 2001 09:41:00 AM
Apology accepted.
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jlpiece
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posted on April 13, 2001 09:41:55 AM
On behalf of the PRC of course.
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