ki9272649
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posted on May 16, 2001 10:44:16 PM
In the newspaper the other day there was an article on a local landlord who shot a man over a stove. It seems that the tenant was having a small tiff with his wife and kicked the window in the stove and broke it. The landlord heard the commotion, ran over and asked what was broken. Upon finding out it was the window in the stove he took out a gun and shot the man five or six times. As if it couldnt get anymore absurd the landlord called 911 and asked for a deputy to come out because he had just shot and killed a man over a stove.
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zilvy
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posted on May 16, 2001 10:48:50 PM
I guess you can get a new tenant faster than you can get a window replaced in a stove. Pretty damned disgusting isn't it?
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ki9272649
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posted on May 16, 2001 11:00:43 PM
I guess you can get a new tenant faster than you can get a window replaced in a stove. Pretty damned disgusting isn't it?
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Yes and it is scary to think some people actually do this crap over things that don't mean anything when you get down to it. The man's child was a few feet away in the living room at the time.
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Capriole
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posted on May 16, 2001 11:14:12 PM
post a verifiable link puh-lease!
Thanks!
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gravid
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posted on May 17, 2001 05:46:02 AM
Why do I suspect there is a lot more to the story and the two probably had a lot more run-ins before this one?
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sulyn1950
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posted on May 17, 2001 06:26:35 AM
"seems that the tenant was having a small tiff with his wife and kicked the window in the stove and broke it."
I think I would probably call this more than "a small tiff"!
I do not advocate going and killing people over breaking objects, but I have had the misfortune of knowing 2 seperate people who routinely knocked holes in walls and smashed up furniture! They kept their wifes terrified as well as their children. Both would on occassion punch the wife too!
Once when my neighbor's child ran to my house terrified and sobbing because his dad was tearing the house up again, I immediately called for my husband to go do something. He very calmly said (I'll never forget) "If I go over there it will be to kill him. Do you want me to do that?" The look on his face and the set of his twitching jaw told me he would do just that. I told him no I didn't want him to kill him. I just wanted the man to stop. My husband then told me I should go in and call the police.
The other person was very young and so tiny she often was mistaken for a teenager of about 14! She had one child and she was just the sweetest girl. Her husband had a bad temper and would knock holes in the walls and tear up anything he could get his hands on including his wife! There were times she could not leave the house because of the beatings! When I found out what was going on, I was furious. To be honest, there was one such "tiff" I witnessed that if I had had a gun I probably would have used it. That frightened me. I got in between him and his wife and he threatened to beat me. I told him to go ahead. I would not hesitate to file charges on him even if I had to do it from a hospital bed and if he killed me, well then my family would see justice was done! He backed down.
Though this "stove" story may on the surface seem to be outrageous, I just imagine there is much more to it. Unfortunately, violence begats violence. Something about a so-called "domestic" dispute can turn ugly quick and can have far reaching consequences.
I feel sorry for the child that witnessed it. However, I am sure they had already been tramatized by watching dear ole' Dad tearing up the house. I would imagine, truth be known, it wasn't the first time.
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mtnmama
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posted on May 17, 2001 06:28:19 AM
"... that the tenant was having a small tiff with his wife and kicked the window in the stove and broke it."
If this is anyone's idea of a small tiff, I'd hate to see them get into a big argument. Sounds to me like he may have threatened the landlord a "little bit?"
Of course, shooting someone 5 or 6 times (didn't the paper know how many times?) is overkill IMO.
Then the paper said:
"As if it couldnt get anymore absurd the landlord called 911 and asked for a deputy to come out because he had just shot and killed a man over a stove."
Well, I should hope he called and turned himself in. It would be much more absurd if he left the state immediately afterwards. Even more absurd had he gone out and bought another stove before he left. Even more -- had he taken the wife hostage. LOL!
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mtnmama
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posted on May 17, 2001 06:32:24 AM
On the other hand after reading sulyn1950's take I have to agree with her. Sounds more like ongoing domestic violence than just an angry landlord. I hope the wife and child are doing well.
When I first read this and I saw someone asked for a verifiable link, I kind of scoffed at the request. But now that I think about it, I'd like to see it too.
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ki9272649
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posted on May 17, 2001 07:50:46 AM
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/ArticleDetail.asp?ID=1175
I don't yet know how to make it into a link, but here is the story for those who had doubts I was posting a true story. I don't know why you all think I would make it up.
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mtnmama
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:15:55 AM
I didn't think you were making it up. But sometimes people can read into a story what isn't really there.
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sulyn1950
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:16:18 AM
"Henson said Harrell admitted to the shooting during a telephone call to 911. Henson said the taped conversation includes a request by Harrell to send the sheriff because he had just shot a man on Cove Creek Road" (note he did not say "killed a man over a stove" )
I don't believe anyone thought you were making it up. I think most of us felt there was more to it than a landlord simply getting angry about a man kicking the window of the stove in.
I still do...he may have murder charges brought against him, but there are not enough facts in the article to show what really happened. Hopefully there will be more during his trial.
Based on what little is in this article, I do believe the landlord may have felt "something" needed to be done. Does that make right what he did..NOT NECESSARILY. Do I understand how it could have happened? YES
As I said in my first post: Been there, done that and thank God I did not have a gun!
There is something about seeing a weaker person "victimized" that strikes a primal cord in many of us. It can bring out a violent side of our nature that we may not have know even existed.
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/ArticleDetail.asp?ID=1175
[ edited by sulyn1950 on May 17, 2001 08:17 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:17:40 AM
I did not doubt it. We have a rental home across the fence from us and one day they had the carpet cleaned. When this fellows roomie came home he tracked mud on his boots to the newly cleaned carpet. The fellow who had stayed home and had the carpet cleaned pulled out a .357 magnum and shot him through the shoulder. Did not kill him but maimed him bad. Now I ask you what did THAT do to the carpet? Don't ask for a link 'cause it never got in the paper. People don't always make sense or act reasonably.
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ki9272649
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:21:46 AM
Henson said Harrell admitted to the shooting during a telephone call to 911. Henson said the taped conversation includes a request by Harrell to send the sheriff because he had just shot a man on Cove Creek Road" (note he did not say "killed a man over a stove" )
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Oh my God, I accidently misquoted. Somebody shoot me, I made a mistake I don't deserve to live. How horrible. 1,000 apologies! Yeah, well even if no one here outright called me a liar it felt like there was some disbelief.
[ edited by ki9272649 on May 17, 2001 08:23 AM ]
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mtnmama
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:22:30 AM
As I said, sometimes people read more into the story.
I was right.
The husband was just released from jail a month ago. Drug user.
He then went to his wife's apartment. Ever wonder why they didn't live together? Again, a history of domestic violence would bring the story more into focus.
I don't condone what the landlord did, to me it was overkill, but the report states:
"Henson said an autopsy was ordered but the X-rays are important because they will show the angle of theshots and indicate whether any of the shots were fired from a downward position."
This means the landlord might have been attacked first and on the floor, thereby shooting in self defense.
And this is why people ask to see links. The story you gave has taken on a whole different meaning. It wasn't just a landlord shootng a man over a stove.
Interesting to see how it plays out though.
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ki9272649
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:32:52 AM
And this is why people ask to see links. The story you gave has taken on a whole different meaning. It wasn't just a landlord shootng a man over a stove.
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As the article said the landlord and husband had no prior problems. You can believe what you want to, the people that asked for the link did not believe me. Like I said I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought it was an interesting piece of news. Now I am highly sorry I posted it which is why I asked the moderator to lock it and remove my membership from auctionwatch.
[ edited by ki9272649 on May 17, 2001 08:37 AM ]
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SmittyAW
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:40:15 AM
This thread is locked per originator's request.
Smitty
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mtnmama
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posted on May 17, 2001 08:40:31 AM
Sorry, I saw other factors in the story that made it different than what you posted.
I saw a jail-bird druggie terrorizing his wife and young baby. There was no mention of where the 6 or 7 year old son was at the time. The baby won't remember a thing, way too young.
Then I saw the jail-bird druggie kicking in stoves (which BTW in some states it's a felony if you destroy things in your own home, let alone someone elses).
The landlord, hearing yelling and who knows what else (aside from the stove being smashed in) came over to see what was going on and what got broken in his apartment, which is his right as a landlord. He carried a weapon. Did he come intending to kill the man? Had the woman told the landlord about her ex-husband prior and express fear?
The landlord shoots the man (like I said overkill) and then calls 911 to say he shot someone. Didn't say he killed someone over a stove, didn't even mention the stove. We don't know his state of mind at the time. He was probably in shock. Didn't even know he killed him.
The landlord goes to jail, the jail-bird is dead and the wife and kids are safe. To me this is a happy ending for her and the kids. No more terrorizing.
Have a nice day
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