posted on July 3, 2001 11:23:37 AM new
As I watch the board I have seen that there are about 6 or 7 people that have no use for the free sites Bidville, Epeir, the unnames one, auctionsaloon, lowestbid, ect. So here is a Idea since you know there numbers on the other sites and you are smart enof to figure out they dont stand a chance in the net auction world. You must be very smart so you must be very rich (you know have alot of money to invest). So why not get together with all your intellect and money and put together a auction site that will over take Ebay in 3 months? Be constructive for once you can do it just pull together and you will all become richer. And show everone else that these free sites are what you say they are. You could call it the I KNOW IT ALL AUCTIONS. My Grandpa always tould me to put up or shut up (Normally I just shut up lol.) I will be looking foward to the lauching of your great auction site. Have a nice buying/selling day.
I would have to agree with ya! I remember reading that the Dim one said they were asking these questions because he was considering doing the Premier membership at Bidville and was wondering if it would be worth it to him. Well, considering the ongoing bashing, I would assume that the numbers are not good enough for him to consider the premier package, so he really needs to find a new topic! First he bashed Yahoo, because they lost all their auctions, because of listing fees and now he bashes the free sites because they do not charge listing fees. If anyone doubts that he said all this, go read the Yahoo auctions posts from several months ago. JUST LIKE AG2!
Forgot to add: after he bashed Yahoo, he bashed (the site with no name), then started bashing AW because of the moderation (sound realized he may lose his audience, so he turned to BidVille). Get a life!
[ edited by deichen on Jul 3, 2001 11:31 AM ]
posted on July 3, 2001 11:38:19 AM new
Hi telwil (or wiltel, whichever you prefer) ...
I think the days of competing with eBay on their rink are over. They have been doing this the longest and they cashed in on the novelty of on-line bargain buying.
Amazon had a shot and so did Yahoo. They both blew it.
Unfortunately, the days of finding a really good deal (like we could on eBay 4 or 5 years ago) are over.
eBay and the other sites, including the "free" ones are now not much different than a wholesale shopping mall. The only reason I continue to spend $100 a week at eBay is because the stuff I collect cannot be purchased in any mall. I'd love to send part of that to you and other sellers at Bidville but the stuff I am looking just isn't there. And, I am done looking through that category every other day hoping to find something ... looking at the same 112 items today that were there last January is a waste of my time.
If you are expecting to get rich or even simply make a living from your sales on Bidville, I've got news for you The only way BV can be fun is if you treat it the same way it's Prez does ... something to play with as a diversion from real life. You don't think he's going to hang around when he gets bored with it do you?
posted on July 3, 2001 11:42:07 AM new
deichen >
First he bashed Yahoo, because they lost all their auctions, because of listing fees and now he bashes the free sites because they do not charge listing fees.
In large part due to the statements of the inventory warehousers in these threads, it looks more and more like Yahoo!Auctions did a study and concluded it was time they were jettisoned.
I see Bidville at 660,000 listings, with a 1.4% sell-through rate and a 93% relisting rate. These auctions are being relisted over and over again because there are no buyers for them.
Should Bidville likewise jettison their inventory warehousers the sell-through rate becomes
660,000 x 0.014)/(660,000 x 0.07) = 9,240 / 46,200 = 0.20 x 100 = 20%
Imagine that, Bidville could have a sell-through rate approaching 20%.
posted on July 3, 2001 12:13:12 PM new
Deichen, I always followed dimviews post when BooHoo cut both wrist his numbers were true as the fall begain. I checked his numbers then and it was a fast fall. Until he started guessing and when on the attack against the free sites only, I felt he was fair and unbiase. But know his numbers mean nothing to me they are dirty.
RB, We have not agreed on much. I respect your apinion and like everone else you have a right to say what you wish. I am sorry sites like Bidville do not have what you want at the price you want. I agree Bidville needs to advertise but I think that is the Prez's call he pays the bills. I do think Ed is a business man and he does not look at bidville as a toy he has money invested probley alot of money. The free sites are not ebay but you must agree ebay is not makeing it easy on the sellers Fees going up new rules all the time no customer service ect. Sellers have and will keep leaveing ebay this will help the free sites like Bidville grow yes they will keep selling their high ticket item at ebay but they will move the rest (I hope to Bidville because I buy and sell there). My Question is why attack the little site go after the giant unless it is just intertainment.
Dimview start that site get the rest together with you all working together nothing can stop you. Creat dont try to distroy.
posted on July 3, 2001 01:40:20 PM new
You now know the numbers, so if you don't like them, MOVE ON
I honestly do not think anyone at this point could argue the fact that Yahoo commited suicide by starting listing fees. Even if they now have a higher sell-thru %, it doesn't matter. I have gone there and there is no listings! I can never find what I am looking for. This is because they went from having over 2 million auctions to a little over 100,000! This is exactly what would happen to BidVille if they started listing fees. So, some of you bidders are just going to have to live with some of the inventory warehousing that goes on at BidVille and either bid there or not. It really is that simply. If you do not like it there, don't go, create your own wonderful auction site, or whatever.
posted on July 3, 2001 01:47:19 PM new
deichen >
bidders are just going to have to live with some of the inventory warehousing that goes on at BidVille
posted on July 3, 2001 01:59:04 PM new
Dimview, have you started working on that ebay killing site? Tell me when it is up and running if your fees are not to high I will list some auctions. I hope you put all your numbers on the front page (Real numbers not made up). It would be nice to see you and the gang cut ebay down to size. Have a nice buying/selling day.
Hey maby you guys can just buy BooHoo and save yourselves some work just a thought keep us posted OK.
posted on July 3, 2001 02:19:59 PM new
Lets say Dimview is correct with his "numbers". Lets even go as far to say Bidville is a "Warehouse". My question is. So what, whats your point? I kind of thought Yahoo was a "Warehouse". I have sold more single cards at Bidville in 6 months, than what I sold at Yahoo in a year. I by no means do I think Bidville is perfect. And it will never become an E-Bay. But mark my word, the day is coming when some new kid on the block, is going to shake E-Bay's boots. I could still go to E-Bay if I wanted. But I think they gave me a raw deal when I tried to join. Yes! It has probably cost me lots of money. But I also know it has cost them money, because I don't shop there. But they said my perfectly unused credit card was not any good. And mercy! mercy! what I have purchased on that baby since getting it. I believe tewill made a good point. If you don't like Bidville, don't go there. I don't like Yahoo or E-Bay, and I don't go there. See ya'll, Hillbilly
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I'd love to send part of that to you and other sellers at Bidville but the stuff I am looking just ISN'T THERE.
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Telwil said:
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I am sorry sites like Bidville do not have what you want at the PRICE YOU WANT.
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If I read this correctly, price isn't a factor.
Again, I'm not for or against, but why all the bickering about bidville, do you guys sell on EPIER too?
I've tried, really, same with the other sites, yes the free ones, and I've made purchases, but not one on bidville.
Have I checked back? Yes
Do I keep checking? Yes
Do I like pop-unders? No
Can I search from found listings? No
So I am forced to go back to the search, get another pop-under, so sellers can list for free? Yes
This is why I haven't purchased on bidville, but I like the free sites, the ones that I can find something to buy without paying for seller's listings by viewing pop-unders.
I would much rather pay a dollar more, so I can search, unobtrusively and simply.
You can add that to your starting bid and I'll pay it, if I can actually have a good experience buying.
I do like the free sites and I'll keep checking back, when the pop-under is gone, maybe I'll be able to buy, without being annoyed. However, I've kept checking back, but still the pop-under.
I don't really look at all these threads as bashing bidville, I look at it, like constructive criticism. Some people take it to heart, some just take it.
How do you tell your wife/husband their breath stinks without getting them mad?
You could buy them breath mints, but they aren't free, but the free sites are free, so is this why everyone is getting mad?
Because they don't like to pay for breath mints?
or
Because they don't like constructive criticism?
My points have nothing to do with sell through rates, numbers, or percentages.
I'm looking at it from a buying point of view, and as a buyer, I don't like it.
So as a seller, looking at it from a buyers viewpoint, what's the point in selling, if I find the buying experience boring and obtrusive? I won't tell customers to go there, if I don't like it.
I have directed them to Epier though.
I can't wait for the Epier sale, hope some of you sellers are there, so I can search unobtrusively and simply.
posted on July 3, 2001 03:42:11 PM new
I'll take this one Dim ...
"Again, I'm not for or against, but why all the bickering about bidville, do you guys sell on EPIER too?"
I don't sell on either site. Neither one of these sites has a market for the type of item I would sell if I were a seller. Neither does Yahoo or Amazon.
eBay does ... over 400 separate listings for this type of item the last time I looked (this afternoon). Every single one of these items will sell at higher than the starting bid. I can guarantee this though several years of buying experience on eBay.
"Have I checked back? Yes."
I joined Bidville in January of this year (when it was still Auxpal). Within two weeks, the category I buy in had 112 listings. This afternoon, over 6 months later, that same category has 112 listings.
Guess what? They are all the same items as they were 6 months ago - probably about 1/10 of their way through their infinite automatic relists. I suspect many of the original listers have gone on to greener pastures and have abandoned these listings.
But, the B-I-G number on BV's front page really looks good so let's let them continue to run ...
In that category, there is not one item that fits what I collect. It does, however, include several listings for very obvious illegal items that Bidville doesn't seem to care about.
So, should I keep "checking back"? No.
"This is why I haven't purchased on bidville, but I like the free sites, the ones that I can find something to buy without paying for seller's listings by viewing pop-unders."
OK, so I tried another category ... DVD movies. I could not find a single DVD on Bidville that had a starting bid that is less than I can buy the same thing locally at full retail. When the shipping is added, the prices are so far out of line that it is no wonder these aren't selling either.
And, the sci fi DVD category is loaded with VCD bootlegs from Hong Kong! A VCD is only good for a game of Torture Frisbee, and when I watch Star Wars, I prefer the dialogue in English!
So, should I keep checking back? No.
The few items that I have purchased from Bidville have all been 1st class product from 1st class sellers. I really want to do more there, particularily in light of the facts that:
1. I cannot sell on eBay without a credit card which I will not give them (I buy, on average, $100.00 per week there), and,
2. I was kicked off Yahoo for reporting a bootlegger to their so-called copyright expert. Yahoo prefers to collect fees from criminals than to deal with them the way eBay does or is trying to do. Go to Yahoo and check out "tv episodes" ... try to find one that is legit!
posted on July 3, 2001 04:20:58 PM new
Well RB, you don't have to take this one, because I think you didn't see that I was agreeing with you.
My frustration came from the search process.
But if your telling me there is nothing to search for, I guess I'll agree with you, again. LOL
Now that I read your full post, I guess I was mistaken you love pop-ups, ad nauseum, and bidville, just like me? I'm confused.
Since I don't think you read my message correctly, I'll just throw this out there.
Your right though, bidville looks better every day, especially after you have convinced me that the fact that the sell through on bidville has a vcd that can be purchased with an ad nauseum that has incessant listings in a dvd category that would have 42% error rate in determining if there was a sale on Epier but wasn't collecting a fee.
Will you please help me unlock my eyes, nevermind, I like it.
there YOU go cheering for bidville again, oh wait, was that someone else, nevermind, I'm going crossed again, have fun stormin' the castle.....
posted on July 4, 2001 10:05:35 AM new
And, I'm suspicious of bidsbidsbids. Seems like he may be an alter-ego of me, or the other me, or the other me, or all 3 of me ...
