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 justjoan
 
posted on July 9, 2001 08:27:45 PM new
I didn't make much profit, but had a heck of a lot of fun selling off items, and well cleaning house you might say.
But also had a ton of fun buying too.
I've started receiveing some of my BIGGIE buys, and love them all.
It's been a lot of fun, and so glad I've met so many nice people on Bidville.
And I LIKE BIDVILLE>
Now I do still sell at Y and E, but heck haven't found sales any better in any one place at all. It's just not good times for selling.
And I'm selling anything but the kitchen sink.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
 
 dimview
 
posted on July 9, 2001 09:21:43 PM new
justjoan >
didn't make much profit

That's a prerequisite expectation for Bidville auction sellers, isn't it?

 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on July 9, 2001 09:47:23 PM new
yet another cheap shot
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
 cuff
 
posted on July 10, 2001 03:43:44 AM new
Cheap shots come easy to predators.

msCuFF@BidVille


 
 MichelleG
 
posted on July 10, 2001 04:00:06 AM new
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough yesterday:

Enough already!!!

If you want to discuss BidVille, then do so. If you want to take shots at eachother, then take it somewhere else.

Here is the link to the Community Guidelines. I strongly suggest several of you need to reacquaint yourselves with what we expect from participants within this Message Center before posting again.

cuff

Referring to another User as a "predator" is unacceptable and has earned you a warning. Continue in this manner and it will ultimately result in the suspension of your posting privileges.




Michelle
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 cuff
 
posted on July 10, 2001 04:18:37 AM new
With all due respect Michelle...

When you have a highly visible (respected?) member of these boards so blatantly attacking one small site everytime someone dares to start a positive thread then you have a predator situation.

If this blatant disrespect and aggression against BidVille is allowed to continue I do not want to be a member of AuctionWatch.


There are many excellent Sellers at BidVille. Please excuse me for being personally offended but, I DO take it personally when positive threads are IMMEDIATELY bashed just because they are BidVille related.

msCuFF@BidVille
Have a great day where ever you sell!




 
 RB
 
posted on July 10, 2001 04:55:55 AM new
Well said cuff!

I think the AW Moderators have a certain poster on "block" - they are obviously not seeing that person's posts. Everyone is getting moderated except that one person!

Hmmmmm .....

 
 MichelleG
 
posted on July 10, 2001 05:11:03 AM new
I will say this one more time.....

Each and every User has the right to voice their opinions within these Forums regardless of whether you, I or anyone else agrees with them. The only proviso is that they abide by the Community Guidelines. dimview has not been moderated because he has not breached any of those Guidelines.

If you don't like a User or find yourself continually disagreeing with the content of their posts, then exercise restraint and refrain from making personal remarks about and/or to them. If you find that difficult/impossible to do, then use the ignore feature.

And finally, discussion of moderation issues is not permitted within the Message Center. If you have a question or concern regarding a decision the Moderation team has made, then please address the issue via email to [email protected].

We don't want to shut these threads down but if the personal snipes continue, that is exactly what will happen.



Michelle
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*edited for punctuation
[ edited by MichelleG on Jul 10, 2001 05:13 AM ]
 
 cuff
 
posted on July 10, 2001 05:36:50 AM new
Email is on the way MichelleG

CuFF

 
 justjoan
 
posted on July 10, 2001 08:00:47 AM new
>>
That's a prerequisite expectation for Bidville auction sellers, isn't it? <<

as posted by somebody else, if you will read my post,TITLE, I said the sale was fun, and it was a SALE, a ONE BUCK sale. NObody really expected to make tons of money, on this one BUCK SALE. So read the title again the SALE was FUN.....
And yes BIDVILLE SELLERS expect to make money and DO....with their regular items.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
 
 deichen
 
posted on July 10, 2001 09:51:44 AM new
I didn't participate in the dollar sale but do intend to next time. I will list items I have not been able to sell at a higher price. However, I have closed 4 deals this week on BidVille and the items I do sell, I make a nice profit! I would not be in this business to lose money, therefore, DIM, I do make a profit (and a nice one) at all that I sell! Maybe your items are a hard sell, or as Yahoo once said "Junk"! Either way, I am selling on Bidville and loving it!

 
 relayerone
 
posted on July 10, 2001 09:53:02 AM new
dimview-- if you get a chance, send me an email at [email protected], I want to show you something that might interest you but if I post it here I'll get spanked lol

 
 dimview
 
posted on July 10, 2001 02:55:38 PM new
justjoan >
I said the sale was fun, and it was a SALE, a ONE BUCK sale. NObody really expected to make tons of money, on this one BUCK SALE.

To repeat my comment about the $1-SALE appearing in another thread: A number of auction sellers mentioned "over there" that the $1-SALE was a successful event; there's talk about running another one in October.

http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=11680

And certainly an estimated 15% sell-through rate for the promotional event was higher than the overall sell-through rate.


And yes BIDVILLE SELLERS expect to make money and DO....with their regular items.

Let's take a quantitative look at that.

Bidville's weekly report
http://www.bidville.com/bidville_stats.htm
reports a 1.4% sell-through rate for the week ending July 4.

The average auction seller will experience the sell-through rate, and, the normal distribution curve demonstrates that the overhwelming majority of auction sellers will experience personal sell-through rates near the sell-through rate.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=11287&id=11754

Bidville currently reports 679,870 listings, including 339,260 "sportscards" listings. That nearly half of all listings, frequently with opening bids of one cents, ten cents, twenty-five cents.

Given the skewed nature of the dollar value of these auctions, my assumption is that the average dollar value of a closed-auction-with-bids is $2-$3.

So let's make a little table of sales and determine the number of listings needed to achieve that result?

1 sale = 1 / 0.014 = 71 listings

similarly

2 sales = 143 listings
3 sales = 214 listings
4 sales = 286 listings
5 sales = 357 listings
10 sales = 714 listings
20 sales = 1,429 listings
30 sales = 2,143 listings
40 sales = 2,857 listings
50 sales = 3,571 listings

With me so far?

Good.

So what's the comparable dollar value of these sales?

1 sale = $2-$3
2 sales = $4-$6
3 sales = $6-$9
4 sales = $8-$12
5 sales = $10-$15
10 sales = $20-$30
20 sales = $40-$60
30 sales = $60-$90
40 sales = $80-$120
50 sales = $100-$150

And what of the profits from these sales? 50%?

1 sale = $1-$1.50
2 sales = $2-$3
3 sales = $3-$4.50
4 sales = $4-$6
5 sales = $5-$7.50
10 sales = $10-$15
20 sales = $20-$30
30 sales = $30-$45
40 sales = $40-$60
50 sales = $50-$75


I'd say its clear that the average seller is not doing all that well. The normal distribution curve indicates that one-half of all auction sellers are doing worse; the other half are doing better.


fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Jul 10, 2001 03:15 PM ]
 
 gottaknow88
 
posted on July 10, 2001 03:55:46 PM new
Interesting post Dimview. As usual, you are making too many assumptions. Your numbers are bogus.



 
 cuff
 
posted on July 10, 2001 04:13:50 PM new
This thread is a little off topic, isn't it? I didn't know this was the Sell-Thru thread, or is 'somebody' trying to discredit BidVille again? (YAWN)

msCuFF@BidVille



 
 saxkid
 
posted on July 10, 2001 05:20:00 PM new
The $Sale was fun and as I said in an earlier post, I broke even on my $ sale items. I bought a couple of things because of the sale and I was also able to sell a couple of things because of the sale. Im glad that we are getting a number of new buyers and sellers lately on the boards at bidville and I hope that trend continues.
http://www.bidville.com/search/user_search.asp?user_id=blackcatgifts&shop_type=gallery&sort_by=
 
 jimhhow
 
posted on July 10, 2001 05:56:17 PM new
Yes Joan, the sale was great fun. and I hope the sports sale next month will be just as much fun. Thanks Wallypog for getting us started.

 
 dreamgirl
 
posted on July 10, 2001 06:07:12 PM new
The Bidville $1-sale was a great success and a huge amount of FUN. You know with LAUGHS and ALL. Success is defined by each individual and this individual is reporting it to be a HUGE SUCCESS. Why? Made a profit on some items (reportable) and lost a little on some others (deductible). But the main purpose of the event was an unqualified success and that was to bring new people into the BidVille family. So with a smile on my face I report on the facts and will grin at the nay-sayers.

 
 joice
 
posted on July 10, 2001 06:17:14 PM new
dimview,

People may chose to use their Auction I.D's on AW if they wish and be free from scrutiny at the same time.

I have deleted your post because it is totally inappropriate for you to post statics on the sales of the people that post to this forum.

You are being warned that to continue to post in this manner will place your posting privileges in jeopardy.



Joice
[email protected]
 
 dreamgirl
 
posted on July 10, 2001 06:19:39 PM new
Joice,
A copy of that post from dimview came to me. Indeed I'm very pleased you deleted it. I considered it "over the top" and not related to the thread at all.


 
 justjoan
 
posted on July 10, 2001 07:02:14 PM new
I will say it again, the thread title says the SALE WAS FUN ON BIDVILLE<>
Nobody asked for statistics, and long winded ones at that, that say nothing as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with jimhhow that wallypog did a great job at doing so much work,on the $1 sale and Bidville was so good at joining in and helping out with it all too. No fast rules just some good fun selling.
I wish I had some sports stuff Jim to do the sports sale you are going to have.
I think this whole sale was good for everybody,in more ways than just money...

Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
 
 dreamgirl
 
posted on July 10, 2001 07:13:31 PM new
At the moderator's request, I respectfully move this post to this thread to save space on AW.

Bidville folks are wonderful to be around. I've never worked with such a group of focused people. Most of us have sold items in all auctions all over the net and some still do. This doesn't offend anyone. Tells me that the people building Bidville both administrative and participants are focused on continued growth in a positive direction a step at a time. The old adage "you must crawl before you walk" is noteworthy. Taking small steps has certainly given us a lot of time to learn and to watch the site grow. The recent $1-Sale brought a big boost in the number of visitors and new sellers to the site. Administrative people assisted the Sellers in any way they could. We all had fun doing it. And have been on a "high" since. Plans are underway for another group event with a little different twist. Stay tuned for details or better still visit and read about it yourselves.
Have a wonderful day EVERYONE.


 
 cuff
 
posted on July 10, 2001 08:30:28 PM new
The best thing about the $1-Sale is the way it all came together (thanks again wallypog!) It was a great experience to see an idea come to focus and be carried through to conclusion. It was really remarkable. That Spirit is the essence of BidVille.

msCuFF@BidVille



 
 stockticker
 
posted on July 10, 2001 09:05:25 PM new
Ever heard of Club99? It had been around for some time when I first heard about it in early 1999. It was originally formed by a group of eBay sellers to help bring bidder excitement into auctions during what was then a slow listing day of Saturday. Originally all items had to be listed for 99 cents with no reserve (I think that requirement has changed over the years). The word "Club99" was shown in the title so the eBay search engine would pick it up and each auction had a link to the Club99 home page.

I think Club99 was disbanded a couple of months ago, because of a new eBay rule that disallows links to other web sites in auction descriptions.

However, I checked and the Club99 web site is still up:

http://club99.otwa.com/ebay/current_framed.shtml

Perhaps the Club99 idea could be adapted to the Bidville site to generate bidding interest there?


Irene
[ edited by stockticker on Jul 10, 2001 09:07 PM ]
 
 dimview
 
posted on July 10, 2001 09:36:52 PM new
First, although AuctionWatch deleted my ill-considered message, the moderator informs me that participants in this thread may have received the message via e-mail if they selected that option, so I offer my apologies to those AuctionWatch users that were mentioned.

After an e-mail exchange with the moderators, I have used another means to determine the average dollar value of a closed-auction-with-bids randomly based on item number, e.g.,

http://www.bidville.com/listings/details/index_asp.asp?itemnum=xxyy000,
where yy is some multiple of ten,

to address privacy concerns.

I looked at the feedback of fifteen auction sellers and tabulated the price of up to ten closed auctions for each (if there were less than ten closed auctions it was because they were no longer in the database); these sellers represented a diverse group of categories and their closed auctions ranged from a low of 20 cents to a high of $120.

For the fifteen auction sellers, there were 111 closed auctions totaling $448.10, or $4.07 per transaction.

Based on this survey, here's the restated tables:

1 sale = 1 / 0.014 = 71 listings

similarly

2 sales = 143 listings
3 sales = 214 listings
4 sales = 286 listings
5 sales = 357 listings
10 sales = 714 listings
20 sales = 1,429 listings
30 sales = 2,143 listings
40 sales = 2,857 listings
50 sales = 3,571 listings

The comparable dollar value of these sales?

1 sale = $4
2 sales = $8
3 sales = $12
4 sales = $16
5 sales = $20
10 sales = $40
20 sales = $80
30 sales = $120
40 sales = $160
50 sales = $200

The profits from these sales given a 50% profit margin?

1 sale = $2
2 sales = $4
3 sales = $6
4 sales = $8
5 sales = $10
10 sales = $20
20 sales = $40
30 sales = $60
40 sales = $80
50 sales = $100


I do not consider the $1-SALE fun, however, it was interesting in providing insight into some of the buying/selling trends at Bidville.

[ edited by dimview on Jul 10, 2001 09:41 PM ]
 
 wallypog
 
posted on July 11, 2001 12:15:29 AM new
I had a blast doing the $1-sale! I can't remember how many items I had listed expressly for the sale but sold well over half of them. Some went for opening bids and others went higher.

AND I had several buyers win the bids on more than one auction and now am starting to have repeat customers.

I know I didn't lose any money but actually made a bit of a profit.

I also had a lot of fun finding some really unique things. A few of those weren't on the $1-sale. There are some really neat things to be found at BidVille--things a person never in their wildest dreams even knew they needed, LOL.

I'm looking forward to the next sale for sports related items. I found a few goodies the other day that I couldn't pass up since BidVille seems to be a great site for sports stuff.

-----------------------------------

http://www.wallypogsbog.com
 
 Excalibur131
 
posted on July 11, 2001 03:33:10 AM new
I read this thread hoping to learn more about what people thought about the $1-Sale at Bidville, but had some difficulty following along. I guess its my age. I never realized that forms of statistical analysis equaled fun. It brings to mind the bags of candy you get at Halloween and when you look at the wrapper you find the words "Fun Size" printed on them. Who would have ever figured that a smal candy bar [barely enough for two bites] was the size of fun.

Taking a "quantitative look" at anything doesn't equal fun in my book. So please forgive me while I try to adjust my thinking as to what this thread seems to imply fun actually is.

Some of the comments in this thread certainly seem to be off-topic -- $ Sale on Bidville was FUN !

JMHO

 
 dimview
 
posted on July 11, 2001 05:48:48 AM new
cuff >
It was a great experience to see an idea come to focus and be

Agreed.

carried through to conclusion.

con·clu·sion
n.
The close or last part; the end or finish.

The $1-SALE embodies some 7,000 $1-SALE listings, but I see there's still over 1,000 $1-SALE listings.

So I don't know, did the $1-SALE end? Was the $1-SALE extended? Or is this another $1-SALE?


It was really remarkable. That Spirit is the essence of BidVille.

To their credit the overwhelming majority of $1-SALE participants closed their $1-SALE listings and honored their bids according to the terms and conditions that every participants voluntarily accepted. But there's more than a few auction sellers that ignored and continue to ignore the agreement they made, by continuing their auctions and even listing new ones.

That's not only nonsensical, its also unfortunate that bidders, many of them new to Bidville, found themselves losing the items they rightfully won because an auction seller refused to honor their bid, others had to bid higher in order to get the item they wanted.

Is that the Spirit of the essence of Bidville too?

I hope not.




 
 deichen
 
posted on July 11, 2001 05:56:27 AM new
LOL

It brings to mind the bags of candy you get at Halloween and when you look at the wrapper you find the words "Fun Size" printed on them. Who would have ever figured that a smal candy bar [barely enough for two bites] was the size of fun.

You are right! I feel sorry for "Halloween Trick or Treaters" who do not know how to loosen up and have fun, usually they are lonely (no one wants to trick or treat with them), but they probably enjoyed eating all those "Fun Size" candy bars in the dark!

 
 justjoan
 
posted on July 11, 2001 08:23:06 AM new
I repeat the SALE WAS FUN, and statistics are a bore and who cares.
I knew going into the sale I would not be making tons of money, but thought it would be fun, and it was.
I did not write my name in cement or sign an air tight contract over only selling my items within the time plan...In fact several of my items went over the 7/2 by a day because I've been a bit duh at getting time elements right for back east auction site.
But regardless, it was FUN.
And If somebody CHOOSES to put a $1Sale in the heading of their auction, who says they CAN'T.
I learned a lot from this auction, that boy 49 items closing in almost a two week time span,with multi buys can get mighty confusing. Heck I had a man and wife both bidding on different items of mine and they didn't know they were. So you can imagine when I got e mails sort of connecting them, my total confusion..
I bought some awfully nice items, that I know the buyers didn't make what they would have liked to make, but am sure glad they put them up. Have bought one item, that was hand made, and was mad at myself for not bidding higher on his second item. So e mailed him and asked if he would make me one.
Now I paid full amount on the item, but I am sure he was happy that this brought out more sales, and I was happy to find this artisan with an unusal talent.
So the SALE WAS FUN and would do it again in a minute, profit or not. I don't think profit was the intention for anybody really.
I also am seeing some words in this thread that have really nothing to do with the thread but written as if they were the truths. I wonder where these supposedly facts are coming from, I don't see them on our Bidville boards at all.

Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
 
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