posted on January 1, 2002 07:58:31 PM new
Its been awhile since Ive heard anything about epier. Has anyone sold anything there recently ?
Just wondering...
posted on January 2, 2002 05:10:43 PM new
I have had limited success at epier. I sold two items there today, but was the first bids since October. Of the free sites, or third tier as some say, I do like it the best.
posted on January 4, 2002 01:32:34 PM new
If ePier were the only online auction out there, I'd haul my stuff out onto the lawn and sell it from there first.
At least there'd be a *chance* of someone stopping by to take a look.
posted on January 4, 2002 01:35:05 PM newI have had limited success at epier. I sold two items there today, but was the first bids since October. Of the free sites, or third tier as some say, I do like it the best.
Barparts-- ePier stopped being a "free" site some time ago. You can drown in various "fees" now and still not get a bid there.
posted on January 4, 2002 02:41:59 PM new
I do somewhat stand corrected about the free site thing. It however is still free to list items and host images. Only a trivial fee for when a sale is completed. Drowning in fees, I think not. You only get charged a FVF for making a sale which any legite seller can absorb. Besides, that is where a fee should be taken from. Pay only for successful auctions. Unlike bidville where you pay just to participate. So when it comes down to it, it is free until a sale is made so it still fits into that free site catagory as far as risk to the seller goes.
bp
posted on January 5, 2002 12:20:25 AM new
"Drowning in fees" is of course a subjective opinion, but lets look at this closely, shall we? One year ago ePier were proudly proclaiming in their on site banners "NO FEES EVER!!", in a live online discussion in one of the chat forums, ePier owner James Kim himself insisted that final value fees were "not a consideration." Revenue was to be derived from advertising and their in-house payment system, similar to PayPal.
My how things have changed in under a year.
In order to list or even *look at*(!!) Mature items or Militeria, a member has to be "verified" to the tune of $20.00 US per year.
Selling a vehicle is a flat $25.00 US
Want to open a Storefront? No problem, but you have to upgrade to a "Premium" membership, at $9.95 a month.
Oh wait--- Did you already spend $20 to become "verified"? Awww, sorry, but you still have to cough up the dough-- (sucker)
ePier Web Hosting-- $12.95 a month
Feature Auction- $2.50 per auction
Feature Category- $.50 per auction
Photo Gallery- $.25 per auction
Bold font-- $.25 per auction
Reserve Auction- $.25-.50 per auction
The "not a consideration" Final Value Fee? 2.5% & slightly less depending on the ending price of the item.
Their in-house "PayMadeEasy" service?- 2.9% + .30 cents per transdaction, with a $2.50 WITHDRAWAL FEE(!!)
I dunno about you, but for a site that gets scant few bidders, keeps changing the game plan, and allows deadbeat members to amass feedback numbers in the *negative 20's* (see link below), that sure seems like *drowning in fees* to me.
Make up your own mind, hyperbole or understatement?
posted on January 5, 2002 07:35:33 AM new
Here is one for you. It took me only a minute to find it over at BV. I could find many more over there and have in the past, but I have much better things to do.
So to say that this is just an epier problem is completely bogus.
PS: That pierpals is the most bogus site I have ever seen. It even states that Carnaby is a free site. That is so far from the truth it isn't even funny. And you want to talk about deadbeats, you really need to take a good look over there. They are as privelant at Carnaby as any other site.
How about an objective web site that really tells the truth, pro or con about all sites. Using pierpals as an example simply doesn't hold any water.
posted on January 5, 2002 07:57:37 AM new
Thirteen negatives and only one positive for the example you posted. The one post was from a BV user that couldn't figure out that the positive button was for good and not positively dreadful. All of these users possibly lost featuring/gallery/other fees due to the no refunds policy at BV. Wouldn't it be a wiser move on BV's part to remove the details of such a user from their viewable/searchable database? Are they proud of these deadbeat users?
posted on January 6, 2002 09:18:55 AM new
barparts....you sure do like running off at the mouth about things that you have no intelligent information to substantiate your claims with. But after all, what more should be expected of a person that ran to every board in the name of charity plagiarizing another persons post word for word...even after she repeatedly asked you to quit stealing "her" post and using it as your own you continued without any regard to what you were doing and how wrong it was!
Now as for you statement about PierPals..."That pierpals is the most bogus site I have ever seen. It even states that Carnaby is a free site"....first off rather than looking at the pictures if you took the time to actually READ you might learn something, the information is ALL factually based, let's see some disputing the facts rather than just making ignorant comments! And as for Carnaby being a "free" site, it STILL is a totally free listing site and at the last update of pierpals site it was still a totally free (enhancements and fvf) site. They have not changed their policy at all and still post upfront on their site...LISTING FEES - Currently, you may list your items at Carnaby FREE of charge. If and when listing fees are implemented, a formal announcement will be made and all registered members will be notified. so if pierpals is bogus because they site factual posts and information that was supplied by ePier themselves then you prefer to live in your fantasy world rather than face the truth! The reason ePier is being used as the example is because the thread is about ePier....focus....read...learn!
You also state...How about an objective web site that really tells the truth, pro or con about all sites. Using pierpals as an example simply doesn't hold any water. How about YOU show even ONE thing that isn't the truth because it's all in black and white and posted without changes to content....also, the list of multi digit negative users STILL being allowed to bid...including the ones that are VERIFIED (paid 20$ for this service...HA) users that are supposed to be suspended after 2 negatives is a total joke and ALL the users posted were gathered off ePiers OWN sales history page...so they are totally aware of them (so much for their deadbeat protection)! Here's some real quick examples as of 12/19...belleofamherst -23 Negatives 0 neutrals 0 positives...sunbby123 -22 Negatives 1 neutral 0 positives....Happynoodle731 -18 Negatives 0 neutrals 0 positives...the list goes on and on and all still ACTIVE users! So again I ask....what's bogus about that being posted on PierPals site? The only thing that IS bogus is you tunnel vision on facts...not opinions or comments but actual FACTS that are derived directly from the site. There are also the EXACT word for word posts from the sites owner Mr. James Kim stating publicly that the vm fees would be for protection against dead beats (as well as stating no fvf's were in the works), there is also the most recent statement on their own announcement board that states....12/17 ***Cracking Down on Delinquents*** We will be cracking down on sellers who do not follow through with their sales and bidders who do not pay when they successfully win an auction. ePier provides a much more cost-effective trading venue. However, ePier is much tougher than others when it comes to non-performing sellers and buyers. Now there's a bogus statement if ever there was one! Go read their OWN boards that show users complaining about being unable to remove their CC from the site and still getting billed without authorizing the charges...or the users STILL not getting their services or image hosting problems fixed...or the constant complaints about not being able to get their fvf's refunded from the deadbeats (and read the looong process they put you through just to even file for them)...then tell us ALL exactly what you feel is bogus about PierPals! That site was created for the users and still offers help to them....it also contains factual information about how ePier decided to suspend some members without warning or merit and has refused to refund
pre-paid fees for services never delivered or available.
Some people seem real quick to run their mouths and cry foul when it's not THEIR money being illegally with held but they want to only paint a site in rosy red color so others can fall in the same holes....that's what's really bogus barparts! Now, run off and find someone's post to steal so you can make a response
[ edited by goldenpony on Jan 6, 2002 10:25 AM ]
posted on January 6, 2002 04:02:32 PM new
epier.com does generate sales at a much lower cost to me than ebay I wish pony and kim would quit fighting its a small but rapidly growing site with a lot of potential
they answer their phones unlike yahoo or amazon or ebay far from prefect and obvioulsy trying to generate cash I have seen their banners here at auctionwatch I have had several hundred sales there and no they are not the perfect site but they sure seem to try, yes I am a verifed seller and yes I went for the storefront which has to be one of the best deals on the net, no I don't have anything to do with them other than listing there, I'm not related to the staff, I'm not a buddy of the staff I have no financial connection other than the modest fees I have paid to sell there. But I do believe that they represent the strongest challenger ebay will ever see, jump on and lets take down the bear
posted on January 6, 2002 07:50:02 PM new
aurora....I can respect your views on ePier and as much as I'd like to accommodate your request "I wish pony and kim would quit fighting" I won't quit my battle with them until they respond and refund my request for the prepaid enhancements as well as the vm fee's I paid (voluntarily I might add) in advance for services that I not only did not receive but due to the unwarranted banning I was unable to collect or use as well as responding to my numerous email/calls to ask why the banning took place!
I will NOT relent or even consider ending my battle with them until I am given a full refund and explanation...they are with holding my money without merit or reason...I paid in advance and they have NO right to keep my money...period! I was their #1 supporter through all their schemes and promises and believed in them because I thought they gave a very reasonable plan of action that I would have stayed behind had they not have changed course one to many times in the middle of things by going totally against what they originally promised and outlined as a business outline.
All they would of had to do was be upfront and honest and say they needed to change their plans due to "what ever" but they didn't...they chose to keep us in the dark and follow a path of deceit and once again "spring" on the users a NEW money making idea (that sure hasn't panned out)! Their business outline was well defined in their public news statement as well as their TOS but they chose to change it...without so much as a thought to the faithful users that did all their ground work for them. Ohhh the lies they laid out for the ones that helped start their site.....it is all so clear to see in hind sight when you look back. Those that are just starting have no idea how easily they will break the promises laid out....the path is much clearer when you look at all that has already been put out there to judge
I forgot to add...unlike your claims to their answering their phones....they seem to be also selective in those as well....only answering the ones that revenue them funds! Those asking questions have a different answering system it seems...I personally only get the unanswered emails as well as unanswered phone calls (it was a different story as long as I was a cheerleader for them)...they quickly respond if it will generate them funds but avoid responding if they need to make refunds or have to explain broken promises....and at least ebay DOES have a protection service in place to help with deadbeats and it's FREE and often works...they don't charge you 20$ and only "SAY" they offer protection! I guess the old "ya pay for what ya get" holds true (unless ya pay ePier's 20$ verified service plan..that isn't even in place)...free is not worth paying for...lol...mark my words, this site will fold as soon as the militaria sees through their game and move on...they are all that is keeping them in funds right now
[ edited by goldenpony on Jan 6, 2002 08:28 PM ]
posted on January 16, 2002 05:18:33 AM new
Hey, Hi relay!!! Long time kiddo,,...been sending more students to your site!! gee it's a help,new people love it..thanks for making it...ps...this is sooo strange this thread..last time i was here..heheLOL...aurora i was backing you being so mad at epier about the Epier verfication (didn't they throw you off for awhile?)remember?
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Golden you were mad at me as i came on epier chat & metioned the problems there inc A GIANT GLITCH THAT blocked myself & others getting bids.& eek no one cared..so i left..
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.well... WHAT A DIFFERENCE A FEW MONTHS MAKE...hehe i tried carnaby,,nice but ,slow... then lottsa fraud & npb at yahoo eek Now i found a cute little site..Yes i am still an optimist..free,antiques & now a collectibles marketplace.niche site.free pics,links allowed,nice chat & people,looks like it has the best chance of any I've seen...oldandsold ...completely free
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i cannot believe some of the little sites with no sales that actually charge..
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well neat checking in with you all..good luck everyone wish you all the best..weird how things change so fast on the net..just gotta giggle..Hope you all do well...bitt time is funny,seems like we are playing musical chairs or auctions LOL well TIME FLIES LIKE AN ARROW,FRUIT FLYS LIKE A BANANA "groucho marx"
[ edited by timetravelers on Jan 16, 2002 05:59 AM ]
posted on January 17, 2002 07:18:40 PM new
Regarding ePier – I believe it depends on what you sell. I have posted everything from European crystal, art deco lamps, knives, etc., to no avail….nothing….oh, I have sold a few things over the last 6 months, but not much….Since we have been Power Sellers on eBay for a couple of years, it seems to me that if we can’t sell SOMETHING on e-Pier, then the audience is limited, and apparently specialized for items we don’t handle.
BUT, my son, who is a middle age adult, uses e-Pier all the time. He is a coin trader, runs about 1,000 + auctions there, and does wonderfully – so I suppose it just depends on what one sells.
I keep some auctions on e-Pier to promo our web sites, otherwise I wouldn’t bother with the site.
I seldom post on a “3rd” tier auction site unless they allow me to promo my web sites.
SPEAKING OF A 3rd tier site – what are the 2nd tier sites? I can’t believe one is going to tell me Yahoo and Amazon!!! For us, Yahoo died a year ago, and Amazon, about 2 years ago.
We do use niche auction sites for specialty items and do wonderfully, and I’d LOVE to find a general auction that would work, but to date, I haven’t.
For general auctions, we have to use eBay it is the only consistent auction, at least for us, currently running.
posted on January 18, 2002 03:44:00 AM new
relayerone said it all..many dedicated people believed in them & it really is rough after months of helping & promoting to get the shaft..
I remember once here,i posted EPIER IS FREE & WILL STAY FREE I BELIEVE IN THESE GUYS...
boy,,what a good one..a person on this chat said.."they won't be free very long" or something like that..I was so insulted...well..i learn stuff here..gotta be a little skeptical but still i keep trying sites..knowing they may not be free forever..all i ask is traffic & sales & i don't mind paying a fee. but a site with no traffic,people with -23 negs, etc..no way i would pay to sell (or actually not sell) there..too bad..it was a nice group over there..but we all got stressed & sucked into their game..
posted on January 19, 2002 11:22:24 PM new
I post on ePier for free - it is just the extra's that cost, and I have found that true on most of the smaller sites.
Well, e-Pier does have a FVF, but that isn't a problem and we do sell a few things there, and get to link to our web site also, so I can't complain.
posted on February 1, 2002 06:23:11 PM new
wanted to try the site. posted a few auctions. sold zero. then to add insult to injury I found a seller selling my homemade doll dresses. they buy from me on Ebay and list as their homemade items on epier. I have not been back since.
posted on February 1, 2002 07:42:39 PM new
yahoo had free list day, so i put in 400 test auctions
in same time period I 4 times as many at epier but given the size of yahoo they should have out sold epier, the sales ran neck and neck, epier is a viable site
