reality1
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posted on February 26, 2002 08:36:46 PM new
Well it looks like bidvilles group has more or less taken over the new auction forum site Mootropolis. This is really a sad think for the MOO. After all look at BV's history on their forums, IT'S KRAZY!!!!!!@!!
And now that bidvilles forums are not worth a hill of beans, the BV folks have moved over to the MOO.
Well I wonder how long it will take for them to OVER RUN that site and distroy it, like they did Bidville forums.
GOTTA FEEL SORRY FOR THE MOO>
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bidsbids
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posted on February 26, 2002 09:34:29 PM new
It sorta reminds me of my school daze in a large city. There were several elementary schools but only two or three junior highs. The first day of junior high the student body from different elementary schools saw a lot of new faces and it became a whole new expierence for everyone.
That is gonna be one busy cow moderator. 
edited minor spelling error to avoid Kodi's admonition
[ edited by bidsbids on Feb 26, 2002 09:35 PM ]
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kodiheglin
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posted on February 27, 2002 12:02:57 AM new
reality1, it won't last long many are already drifting back to the BV Cafe.
Also, I guess you aren't paying much attention because a large percentage of the posters have always been from BidVille. Is there a particular reason you came over here to complain? Poor AW! The stuff from Mad Cow forums is spreading here, won't be long before all the enraged moovians over run this place! (LOL!)
bidsbids: LOL..ok ok I get the idea :p
edited for idiocy 
You missed where I said "engaged moovians" instead of "enraged moovians" roflmao@me
[ edited by kodiheglin on Feb 27, 2002 02:44 PM ]
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blairwitch
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posted on February 27, 2002 07:37:02 AM new
The sad part is if you suggest ways that bidville can succeed they attack you. They are so afraid that bidville will charge fees. I would start fees now and get rid of the troublemakers.
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bidsbids
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posted on February 27, 2002 10:39:45 AM new
Kodi, did you intentionally leave that "e" off the word "came in your last post to make me feel better? Is that 'Up North' hospitality ( as oppossed to 'Down South' hospitality )?
I think you're right. Many or most will return to the Cafe at BV. Sketer is talking of blowing town for a while till things cool off a bit.
So far only Hap has ventured over here and I pray MeanGirl and Cuffy stay the heck away.
Blair ..
Maybe a 5 cent sold auction transaction fee would raise some money for BV. There may be a lot of the old "email me for other cards that you like" messages buried in the brief item descriptions after that rule though.
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jimhhow
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posted on February 27, 2002 11:57:28 AM new
Blairwitch.... wayS?... wayS?
Was that "s" errant. You don't suggest wayS, you demand fees. Why don't you use the sites that already have those fees instead of wasting you time worried about the one that won't listen to you?
Bidsview, you forgot a closing " on "came"
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blairwitch
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posted on February 27, 2002 12:55:04 PM new
I suggest fees to eliminate cheapskate sellers who flood the site with junk listings, and moderation for the bidville boards. Certain people expect everything for free, but look what has happened to the companies that used the "free forever" slogans of the past.....they either charged, or went out of business. Sellers are begging for advertising on bidville.
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bidsbids
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posted on February 27, 2002 01:12:32 PM new
Will the BV sellers that refuse any kind of fees at BV be happy if the Prez says that he has to close the site because there was not enough revenue generated to justify its existence?
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kodiheglin
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posted on February 27, 2002 02:42:12 PM new
No bidsbids, I just screwed up! LOL LOL
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bidsbids
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posted on February 27, 2002 08:11:18 PM new
Looks like the Moo software is very unstable for it's new load. Several posting bugs and the search function is difficult to use. Timeout messages due to heavy load. Sounded good in theory though.
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YourDesigns
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posted on February 27, 2002 10:12:03 PM new
I seriously doubt Mootropolis.com will suffer any bad fate due to bidville. They have an excellent moderator. Sure there has been a flood of bidvillains, but that will calm down.
As for the stability of the software, I don't think it's the software. Apparently Moo has a sucky canadian hosting service. I hope they switch to some other service as they grow larger than AW. I haven't had any problems at Mootropolis.com and the site is darn better than here.
Mootropolis is apparently running neck and neck with AW on posts and increasing daily, so I would expect some delays as the load adjusts. The growth has just been amazing.
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bidsbids
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posted on February 28, 2002 05:32:38 AM new
The bugs should be mostly software oriented. Examples, if the last post on a thread is at the very bottom of a page it will not appear until another post is made. Cuff posted a long post and it posted itself several times. The Qued BV board ( each post reviewed by moderator ) got jammed with posts with HTML posts a month ago and apparently can not be fixed.
AW Message Center is far from its Glory Days but its 12 forums still easily beat Moo in quantity of posts. How soon before we see hundreds of BV Cafe-like posts at Moo. You know ... the "Hi Everyone" posts with a dozen "Hi" responses. It may be quality over quantity.
The lone moderator is not enough for a high volume of heated posts and a quirky software package and like YourDesigns stated, a poor hosting service. Too much work for a person that works at it only part time.
I hope Moo makes it but I can see the wheels already coming off the wagon.
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comptalk
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posted on February 28, 2002 11:59:55 AM new
Mootropolis is an interesting site, but I doubt that they will last long. If they are able to compete with the likes of Auctionwatch, then how come they only use free software that can be obtained rather easily.
I can understand that the freeware can possibly be used for a message board as a way for a community to interact, but not as the sole site.
I wonder if Auctioncow is also using freeware?
It has to make you wonder, does either site have the necessart funds to really compete against sites that are already online for over a year?
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bidsbids
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posted on February 28, 2002 12:25:38 PM new
I like a group of 5 or six people are burning through their life savings in this gamble. Didn't Pierre blow something like $180,000 of his own money to get ebay going? Sometimes the gamble pays off and sometimes you lose out. At least they have the courage and ego to give it a shot.
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YourDesigns
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posted on February 28, 2002 09:19:31 PM new
comptalk:
Actually, you can license that software for a fee and for higher level of tech support. Not all versions are free.
Second, who cares? Ever heard of a site that builds from the grass roots and becomes a powerhouse? Everyone has to start somewhere, and not everyone has millions to do it.
I am sorry but it doesn't take tons of money to get a site going and operating. Moo is even generating advertising revenue, is growing a tremendous rate, and the posting there is equaling and surpassing the forums here (according to a third party).
I guess everyone expects that in order to "make" it on the web you have to spend tons of money, but are we CERTAIN of that? Let's take a look. AW has tons of money and they are near financial ruin, laid off the moderators, and even stated they have some financial problems.
We can ALL name hundreds (yes HUNDREDS) of sites that had MILLIONS of venture capital and they are gone with the wind. Sure we can name a lot of under funded sites too, but then again their are hundreds of small sites that have been very successful.
Whether a site uses free software to start doesn't matter. What would happen had they made it from scratch, do we call it Homemade software? No. If a multi-million dollar company made software from scratch it's call proprietary, not "homemade".
The software they are using has many sites that have hundreds of thousands of posts, and 20k plus membership and running just fine using SQL. That is why I think the webhost is to blame. OTWA and the rest all use software made by another company.
Whether AC has the funds isn't fair either. No one is goings against ePier, SYI, or the rest here. Why is AC the one get the brunt of the bullcr*p here? Is it because they just might be a threat?
One last note... Mootropolis.com was started as an alternative to AW because of AW unreasonable credit card requirement (as seen by many). My understanding is that is was NOT made to compete with AW but to be a small community site that supported AC also. It has grown WAY past that, and that is a better indication than anything.
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wallypog
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posted on March 1, 2002 11:03:38 AM new
Comptalk, I've been reading several of your doom and gloom predictions for Auction Cow/Mootropolis.
I'm sure that someone with your experience, being among the powers that be at Auctionweiser, could give some wonderful advice on how they might succeed.
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http://www.wallypogsbog.com
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deichen
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posted on March 1, 2002 01:52:14 PM new
The sky is falling....the sky is falling! Really, really, it really is...look!
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comptalk
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posted on March 1, 2002 04:35:17 PM new
I am not trying to give shame to Auctioncow or Mootropolis in any fashion. Just stating the facts that I see.
BTW, I do not sell on Auctionweiser, nor am I a member. I think that they are starting to do something besides making promises or predictions for their site. I also have hope for Carnaby and SellYourItem.
Trust me, I was with any site; I would be open about it. I am not the type of person who hides under usernames.
But we cannot all be as open minded with new sites such as wallypog is. I just doubt that all of these sites keep popping up, and then a flock of sellers go and support another site. It's like a new site is created every second.
And Wally, if the best thing you can accuse me of is being an owner of Auctionweiser, then you need to go back and hit the books. I would only be delighted to be an owner of an auction site. But couldn't you pick a different site for me to own? How about eBay or Fairmarket? I would really like to own one of them.
Is this like fantasy football? Maybe you can call it fantasy owners ball?
Maybe. You never no.
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bidsbids
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posted on March 1, 2002 05:03:31 PM new
I hope they all make it. I still believe in the niche auctions taking small bites out of eBay as the single best hope at an online auction success. Maybe AuctionCow does have a winning combination of factors that can make them a big success. Heck, maybe Gegy.com has the winning combination but they have simply stumbled. ( and stumbled )
Something fresh has to be tried and AuctionCow is hopefully doing just that. Go AC!
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stavecards
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posted on March 1, 2002 07:32:55 PM new
Bids,
Seen several references to different tactics being used by AuctionCow. What are some of these? Haven't paid too much attention to the site, so I haven't noticed any significant differences.
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bidsbids
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posted on March 1, 2002 08:17:59 PM new
Here's some more copy & paste items ...
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With AC our goal was to return to simplicity again in the online auction world. While we sell on ebay, it is getting quite overwhelming with all the featueres and checkouts. Each change brings more problems rather than fixes, and their move to support high volume big name sellers versus the little guys is one we don't agree with.
What would make AC different from most of the third tier auction sites IS the unique marketing plan, and the fact our entire goal is to market it.
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About 75% of our marketing is a "trade" secret (yea, I know). While we will have the typical banner and button ads in places, placement in search engines, and such, there is a lot more happening that people cannot see directly.
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it's a big secret ... shhhh
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YourDesigns
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posted on March 1, 2002 09:20:59 PM new
bidbids:
You are confusing. On the one hand you show support, then on the other sarcasm that is derogatory to the subject. I can't figure out if you agree to disagree with everybody or what.
I agree with AC, they shouldn't give out ALL the information on a marketing plan. No other company does until they do it.
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wallypog
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posted on March 1, 2002 11:02:06 PM new
Comptalk, then please let me apologize for a case of mistaken identity. I wasn't trying to make false accusations.
Believe me, I wish I could be more enthusiastic about the new auction sites opening up. All I can say is that I'm hopeful that something will turn up that will be what people are looking for. I think I've learned a lot over the past year, and one thing I've learned is to never take something at face value. My hope for AC is based on what they've said in their open forum. If they can keep the goal in mind that they've started with they just might have a fighting chance. I figure we all need to be open-minded to a point but there is much beyond the surface of any auction site.
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http://www.wallypogsbog.com
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bidsbids
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posted on March 2, 2002 03:03:53 AM new
I was being sarcastic with the "shhhh it's a big secret" part.
If it works I don't blame them for wanting to keep it a secret. I wonder how long before the competitors do figure it out if it is a big success?
The only part that makes me a little leery is the "we have tested and proven our new method" part because I have heard that exact phrase a million times in shady telemarketing type setups.
I'm still very hopeful that this will be "the one".
Go AC!
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robnzak
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posted on March 2, 2002 09:10:59 AM new
"...The only part that makes me a little leery is the "we have tested and proven our new method" part because I have heard that exact phrase a million times in shady telemarketing type setups.
I'm still very hopeful that this will be "the one".
Go AC!..."
Yeah, I've heard that phrase too, but I'm optimistic MOO-COW's plan will be in full sun and grow like a weed.
robnzak - 1st editions
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kenzy
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posted on March 2, 2002 01:42:40 PM new
Looks like it has a long way to go... but I sincerely hope that the MOO gives eBay some serious competition, someday...
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YourDesigns
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posted on March 2, 2002 07:03:34 PM new
I doubt any third tier auction site will ever give ebay a run for their money, but a nice alternative with even HALF the sell rate would be a welcome invitation.
Now this thread is about MOO, not AC, but on AC's marketing plan, I think everyone is right.
AC should just tell us word for word, every single thing they are doing at every minute of the day and do everything for us. Company secrets? No company has any secrets, and we know for a fact that eBay and all the rest respond quickly to our questions on what they think they should do and what should be done.
Ed over at Bidville sits down with his seller's and talk to each one of them telling them how much he is spending and where he is advertising and marketing.
Mr. Kim over at ePier let's people just walk right into his duplex where ePier is run and let's sellers and buyers look at anything they want.
OH, and NONE of the other auction sites EVER make mistakes, only AC. Golly, AC has been in operation for 2 weeks, they should have 1 million plus listings and everything should be working PERFECTLY. They should have 7 million listings by now, and everyone should be selling as much as they would on eBay! What the HECK is wrong with them? Dang, someone should call the police and have them arrested for their inadequate ability to do anything.
I would DEFINITELY stay away from Auctioncow, because Toollady doesn't like them.
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deichen
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posted on March 3, 2002 04:28:07 PM new
I would DEFINITELY stay away from Auctioncow, because Toollady doesn't like them.
LOL
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toollady
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posted on March 3, 2002 06:04:46 PM new
Gee, I didn't know I had been raised to goddess status.
I always fashioned myself more of a diva! :P
Edited to fix smilie.
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toollady
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posted on March 3, 2002 06:06:18 PM new
Oh well, still isn't right, but you get the idea. 
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