posted on June 4, 2002 08:46:15 AM new
United Bidville Against Sellers That Are Dreadful Sometimes [ UBASTARDS ]
An possible acronym ( and a darn good one ) for the group that HapHow has revived to help control bad BV users that never pay or deliver the goods. The group is based on a Yahoo Club formed long ago on a galaxy far, far away that cleverly avoids the BV TOS about discussing bad sellers on the BV boards. One good thing about UBASTARDS is that they can now unify for other causes than just bad BV users. A users union can have a lot of power. A possible downside may turn out to be that Bryan may not be fond of having a psuedo gun to his head by a group of independent thinking and forceful BVers and could close the BV message center or even call it quits.
I'm all for UBASTARDS. Shake up the BV landscape!
posted on June 4, 2002 08:59:50 AM new
Hey Bids, I kinda like that acronym. May just adopt it. But I don't believe that the CLIQUE will ever be a gun to anyone's head. Though it would be helpful for the members to share info to help themselves and other members.
Hmmm... Maybe,
United Bidville Against Sellers That Are REALLY Dreadful,
would work better?
[ edited by jimhhow on Jun 4, 2002 09:01 AM ]
posted on June 4, 2002 12:07:40 PM new
Yeah, yours sounds a little better. You don't think that there won't be a little apprehension about a possibly united coalition at BV by BV management ( aka Bryan )? Sure, if the UBASTARD confederation sticks to bad bidders/sellers issues it will be a very good thing and BV Bryan may welcome it. The temptation of these groups is to slowly flex their collective muscle and lobbying power and enact subtle changes and those acts beget less subtle changes etc. What's the old saying? Oh yeah, "Power Corrupts".
Good luck on the UBASTARD thing, I know it never really flew too well the first go round at using Yahoo Clubs but the sellers may be more receptive now with more and more bad bidders/sellers. I wish more auction sites had ways such as that to help combat the bad users. Posting bad user lists would help so that others can look for problems early in a transaction or even block those bidders before they can bid or avoid bad sellers.
posted on June 4, 2002 05:19:35 PM new
Hmmm ... you mean I could gather the swelling support of the masses of Bidville and turn that into leverage?
Hmmm... Hmmmm... maybe i could turn that leverage into a forced takeover of BV by the members and from there unite even more sellers, forming the basis of an international power base.
I guess it wouldn't be long before i could control even the vaunted paypal!
Now wait!.. but why stop there??
NASA could be taken over, hell I'll bet with enough sellers and clout behind me I could RULE THE WORLD!... hehehee.....MMUUUUAAAAWWAAAHHHHH!
Yeah that is it, I'll dominate the world tru trade and force peace in the Middle East and they will all have to buy their oil thru my auctions at Bidville... I'll control the prices and gas will be $0.50 per gallon again.
NAAAHHH!.. on second thought, that is too ambitious, even for me.. BUT, could I at leats get a small harem out of the deal?
posted on June 4, 2002 09:21:49 PM new
I was thinking more along the lines of "Save the 30 days auction duration option!" iniative in case BVv ever decide to scrap it or maybe "We'll ( UBASTARD memmbers ) will all leave BV if the scheduled FVFs are enacted" if that situation should ever happen.
The harem thingie sounds good though. There may be snow on the roof but there's still a fire in the furance.
Leaving or staying at an auctionsite should a an individual decision of the seller in question and how a particular issue affects them.
The one thing you so called bashers have failed to realize about the so called cheerleaders is that our agenda is for people to make up their own minds about a site after they have actually tried it. The bashers don't want people to try the site, instead telling them things like it would be a waste of time, etc.
Could you imagine if someone had told me, "Don't try Bidville, you won't like it"?
And then, on top of that, that "someone" was a self proclaimed expert on online auctions.
posted on June 5, 2002 12:11:45 PM new
I guess that I have to admit that I also am a Bidville Basturd. The last time I really used the Basturd Board was to fight with Sketer (Until she was rightfully dismissed) then I used it one other time to vent about a worthless ex-husband of my wife. I guess it would be a plus anytime, that you can take a negative and discuss it in private away from the main audience. No doubt!! The Bidville message board has been the site of many battles. Even my wife calls me a basturd at times. LOL!!! JMHO!! Hillbilly
posted on June 5, 2002 01:07:34 PM new
"cheerleaders is that our agenda is for people to make up their own minds about a site after they have actually tried it."
I don't bash BV very often but when I do it's because the "cheerleaders" are making bidville sound like it's the best thing on god's green earth.
Something like an infomercial "You can't live without this fine item" Horsesh!t
If SOME of the "cheerleaders" would just promote bidville without going overboard. They may find the bashing would be less severe also.
JMAO
posted on June 5, 2002 01:26:51 PM new
The reason BV is so hugely successful ( wink ) is because it has the most sellers of the all of third tier sites. That also translates into the most buyers as they sellers represent the vast majority of the buyers. If that is something to cheerlead and be arrogant about then so be it. The sellers on the other sites ( except maybe AuctionDiner ) are not like those cheerleaders on BV. The BVers go way overboard on BV.
HB, I saw a new Sketer post the other day on BV. She was dismissed?
posted on June 7, 2002 10:03:46 AM new
I disagree Bids, From what I saw, any time a Bidville member tried to refute a negative post, mostly by your buddy, Dimview, they were not responded to with logical arguement.
Rather things started escalating because when an opposing view to a negative post was presented, the cheerleader and Bidville members were referred to with such terms as "stupid", "junk sellers", etc.
and I am talking about way before Moo even with the "Boobie" terms and such that have been tossed around there.
That all escalated into things such as accusations regarding email and everything else. Then you had some pranksters come into the issue that really had nothing to do with either side, they justed were bored and wanted to start trouble.
I agree that sometimes those arguing make Bidville look bad, unintentionally, but it seems if I, or anyone else tries to show them that, then those remarks are turned around by the bashers to indicate wavering on my part, or anyone else. So that is where the issue stands.
Of those that try Bidville, some like it and some don't. I don't have any problems with that. Some come with high expectations and agendas other than what they claim. they are going to be disappointed. Some realize the freedom that Bidville provides.
Some people have left, many of those have returned, some have not.
Bidville, like any other site, either works for you, or it don't. But I don't think anyone can tell someone else that they would waste their time to try. Trying is never a waste of time.
posted on June 7, 2002 11:27:36 AM new
Trying can be a waste of time if the trying involves many hours and some mandatory money, if there are very few sales out of the effort. It is a learning exercise though. I'm not just talking about BV, although they are the only ones that charge a fee just to become a seller. Before any seller undertakes to sign up and load a bunch of auctions at any online auction site they should determine if their types of items sell on that site and try to determine the general selling rate on the site. I spent many hours figuring out Carnaby's very complicated site and listing about 100 auctions and I have only sold three items there and now there are very few page views. That was a huge waste of time and effort other than learning that most small sites are a waste of time.
posted on June 7, 2002 05:06:42 PM new
I consider it a gentilier learning lesson to ask around about the chances of getting back a $10 loan for so and so. If several voices say "no way" or "you have to be kidding" then the almost borrower learned second hand about a certain misadventure rather than wasting $10 that could have/should have been avoided in the first place.
posted on June 10, 2002 09:27:49 PM new
bidsbids!! I didn't mean to insinuate that Sketer was dismissed from the Bidville boards. She was dismissed from the Bidville Clique message board. She will never be removed from the Bidville boards. JMHO!!
Hillbilly
