twinsoft
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posted on September 2, 2002 06:14:10 PM new
Or it was live for a couple of hours, before the "Opening Labor Day" cover page went back up. Duh!
First thing I noticed is the fee structure. Canvid has been advertising all along that there will be a flat subscription fee, no listing or FVFs. He was stating that just a week ago at Ross' board.
Here's a link to the Auctionpie Seller Page which shows that Auctionpie will be charging BOTH listing AND FVFs.
Go to Auctionpie's FAQ (click on the Help button) and then click on #24. You will see,
"You can also include links to your website. These additional decorations, and visual enhancements cost a small fee, which will be totalled up and bille dmonthly [sic] to you via e-mail."
All along Canvid has been boasting that AP will encourage links to sellers' home pages. Now apparently there is a FEE for doing this.
Anyhoo, as far as listing and FVFs go, this is simply lies and deception on the part of the site owner. Tally it up and you will quickly see the cost of selling on AP far exceeds that of eBay. This for a site with no brand, no advertising and no buyers. Ambition, or greed, you decide.
Strip away all the hoopla, the marketing bull and the lies, and you're left with a money-grubbing loser auction site whose owner no one will work with, and who is kicked off EVERY OAI discussion site for attacks and repeated spamming. Perhaps he thinks being banned from such sites will make him immune to criticism here. Doubt it.
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twinsoft
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posted on September 2, 2002 06:27:07 PM new
The page I linked has been edited, and all the information re: listing and FVFs has been removed.
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RB
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posted on September 2, 2002 06:48:27 PM new
twin ... with all due respect, why not just leave it alone. Jamie is no longer able to defend himself here and I don't think too many of "us" are interested in your thing with him ... kinda like not too many seem to be interested in mine with eBay 
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twinsoft
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posted on September 2, 2002 06:58:13 PM new
RB, as I stated above, the fact that Canvid is banned from every chat site doesn't make him immune to criticism. He's been spamming chat sites for months, including OTWA, and is now banned from there too. Is there any doubt in your mind what people would be saying at OTWA, if Jamie were a member in good standing? The fact that he has got himself banned from every site is now working in his favor, because most people agree it's not fair to criticize him when he can't defend himself. Sorry, I don't buy that. It's his own fault he's banned from here (if indeed he is) for repeated spamming and posting of personal info. He should have been more careful. Do you think Canvid's own bad behavior should effectively muzzle discussion of Auctionpie? I do not. It's nothing personal.
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dman3
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posted on September 2, 2002 07:28:06 PM new
Frist off Twinsoft what you seen earilyer today where the FAQ's had not been Edited..
Auction pie will open with the fee's that jamie has been advertising on his message board for weeks ..
He has a team of Programs working on the site and last min changes are happening even as I post this mesage including updated FAQ's the ones you seen this afternoon were (exsample) pages Copied an set up so that could be seen what things looked like this site has been through tons of changes in the last hours and should be back live soon.
This is a subcription based auction venue One monthly fee no extra charges at all.
really should get confermation on these things before makeing news flashes dont you think ??????
There is alot of people involved in this sites development and way more then few $$ in investment and planing here I think if you want to make new's flashes you should email Jamie or hunney frist to and get facts straight
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
[ edited by dman3 on Sep 2, 2002 07:32 PM ]
[ edited by dman3 on Sep 2, 2002 07:34 PM ]
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dman3
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posted on September 2, 2002 07:47:42 PM new
As I told you it would be back up soon auction pie site is now live and ready for listing !!!!
Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 2, 2002 07:52:39 PM new
RB, I find it very rich that you're telling twinsoft to give it up on Canvid13. Practically every member of AW has told you to give up om your bootleg video material personal vendetta for a long time. Doesn't that make you a very big hypoctite?
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twinsoft
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posted on September 2, 2002 08:21:30 PM new
"really should get confermation on these things before makeing news flashes dont you think ??????"
Rich, no I don't. I would expect a site that has been months in beta testing to have worked out all the bugs, and for God's sakes at least have their fee structure accurate and in place before you advertise for new sellers to join.
Excuse my brevity but I've been invited to play doll with my daughter. Good night.
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RB
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posted on September 2, 2002 09:05:24 PM new
robertsmithson ... my problem is with a situation, not an individual.
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 2, 2002 09:34:41 PM new
Canvid13 is the head of AuctionPie. Twinsoft makes very many salient points about the floundering new site. We have wintnessed this same thing before in the forms of both Gegy and AuctionCow, all plans and no stablity to their basic foundations.
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twinsoft
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posted on September 2, 2002 10:02:53 PM new
"I think if you want to make new's flashes you should email Jamie or hunney frist to and get facts straight."
I'm sorry Rich. I don't need to get any more verification than what is published at Auctionpie. If AP is publishing incorrect info, don't expect me to come running to Jamie or Hunney for verification every time you make a mistake. Get your own facts straight.
BTW, I don't know what you saw, but that page that was deleted was no stock "sample" page.
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blairwitch
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posted on September 3, 2002 12:46:48 PM new
I think all third tier sites are doomed. You have a site right now with over a million items, and they cant break the single digit sale-thru rate with a dollar sale. Sellers who depend on profit have a choice of either eBay or yahoo. 
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 3, 2002 01:10:45 PM new
I'll go you one better, I think the auction portion of ebay is doomed. It will survive but only have a million or so listings of very unique items. The fixed price portion of the ebay venue will have 125 million items and will wipe out Amazon.com . ebay will become to online sales what Microsoft is currently to operating systems.
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RB
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posted on September 3, 2002 01:29:59 PM new
I tend to agree with robert on this. I would also add that the entire concept on on-line buying may be nearing it's end. Gone are the days when a good deal could be had on-line, at least good enough to cause a buyer to provide CC info and wait weeks and weeks for the item.
DVD's, for example, used to be cheaper to order on-line, especially when they were pre-ordered. Now, the big DVD etailers cannot compete with the B&M stores on their disk pricing. When you add the shipping costs, the etailers become even less competitive.
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blairwitch
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posted on September 3, 2002 02:09:04 PM new
The biggest nail in the coffin was the huge postal increase. VHS movies can be found at large retailers for $5.00-$10.00, and like RB said the cost of DVD's are also dropping at the stores. I see sellers charging five dollars to ship a video and its not worth it. Sellers have too many fees to pass on, so its hard for them to compete. 
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RB
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posted on September 3, 2002 02:39:41 PM new
Right on blairwitch. I was going to list 100 or so VHS movies for $1.00 each, but when it costs $4.25 to air mail a single tape to the USA ($5.80 to mail it to somehere else in Canada!), I can't envision too many buyers.
Think I'll donate them to the hospital instead
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dman3
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posted on September 3, 2002 02:59:41 PM new
Twinsoft once again your Information is Wrong the original software Write for Auction pie and beta tested Was scraped in June and a new group of Programs and designers were hired to start over.
The second version was Ready for testing functions about three weeks ago and beta tested over that time, The new version is better it includes proxy bidding as well as a bulk loader which should be available to all soon as I understand it...
There was lots of work going on in he back ground up until about 11 last night EST the site was still being beta tested and the help files FAQ's user agreement and other information was added at that time as well.
How ever fine with me Don't bother to write or ask company spokes people for correct facts before you publish them, how ever keep in mind when you do this you are just assuming things and we know what the out come of assuming is..
I am not even a rep of that company in anyway and I knew what turth was took me less then 5 mins to find the truth , you could spend weeks trying to prove what assume to be fact and still not be right I'm going to enjoy my extra time relaxing and far less stressed
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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RB
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posted on September 3, 2002 03:14:06 PM new
The turth? You can't handle the turth.
(I think it has something to do with the year 2012 though)
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dman3
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posted on September 3, 2002 03:47:50 PM new
haha RB, that could be I guess why don't you call my special doctor make an appointment and sit right down and discuss this problem with him
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
[ edited by dman3 on Sep 3, 2002 03:48 PM ]
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 3, 2002 05:49:49 PM new
Write for Auction pie and beta tested Was scraped in June and a new group of Programs and designers were hired to start over
That makes him sound wealthy. He recently sold his '87 Acura on ebay for $1,200 . He is just a regular Joe with a regular job and a regular life.
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dman3
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posted on September 3, 2002 06:02:14 PM new
NO honest he is a regular jamie for sure he runs auctions for a living ..
does have lots of Dollars tied up in this site though more then many individuals would care to risk im sure..
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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twinsoft
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posted on September 3, 2002 06:21:36 PM new
"How ever fine with me Don't bother to write or ask company spokes people for correct facts before you publish them..."
I don't know what you expect, Dman. I reported what was published at Auctionpie. If that information was incorrect, should I be the one to apologize? AP has said nothing of the error. All the information regarding listing fees, FVFs, etc., was simply deleted and replaced with a one-line blurb about prices announced later.
Really, the way this is being handled is completely unprofessional. Not only are fees not being disclosed, but apparently (I said, "apparently," again) there is now a free trial period. Is this another last-minute change? I can find only very limited information about this free trial. It wasn't advertised at all.
I would have thought that a site that was in beta testing for months would have had time to write up a single page disclosing fees. Right now you're expecting people to give their credit card numbers, with little or no explanation of what the charges will be. AP may have changed its software three weeks ago, but the fee structure should have been set up long before then, and should be disclosed to prospective customers.
There is obviously a communication lag between the site owner, programmer and webmaster, and it gives the impression that nobody really knows what's going on. The site has been open for two days, and it appears Jamie is the only one listing (four auctions plus a test auction). It really looks like some kid's lemonade stand. I did a search at AuctionBytes and couldn't find a single reference to Auctionpie. (Not surprising, considering Jamie's year-long personal vendetta against AuctionBytes.)
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 3, 2002 07:31:53 PM new
Even if AP makes it off the ground won't the listing fees kill it? Which sites charge a listing fee other than eBay?
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yourdesigns
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posted on September 3, 2002 08:21:03 PM new
AP isn't charging listing fees, only a flat fee of $24.95. Doesn't that just sound so much YUMMIER?
Not.
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 3, 2002 08:52:14 PM new
Fees and Services
AuctionPie does not charge a per listing fee, you will be charged a flat rate monthly fee which will enable you to list a specified total of live listings per month. More info on this will be added shortly.
It sounds so incredibly vague. How does anyone signup for something so vague?
It evens says that a seller's guide is coming soon.
It is following the BV memberships revenue model except the memberships there are voluntary.
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yourdesigns
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posted on September 3, 2002 09:36:44 PM new
Now I posted this over at Moo, but I will summarize. You get 600 listings for $24.95, or something like that.
If you pay $200.13 RIGHT NOW, you get FREE listings until the end of the year. I haven't quite figured out the math on that one either.
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robertsmithson
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posted on September 3, 2002 09:54:22 PM new
Like $25/month is a paltry some on an unknown site? To pay in advance is an incredible notaion. AP better produce results and produce them fast.
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blairwitch
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posted on September 4, 2002 04:15:12 AM new
$25.00 is an incredible amount of money to pay for an unknown site. That money would go far on yahoo if your items start for $9.95 or less, and the sell-thru rate would be much higher. Infact Bidville would be a better choice lol.
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canvid13
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posted on September 4, 2002 05:12:24 AM new
Wow, are you folks posting incorrect info on purpose?
Sorry Twinny, I'm not banned. Anywhere. I left OTWA and then they booted me.
IF that makes you happy more power to you little boy.
First off. We don't ask for your credit cards. We don't want that info. We won't ask for it until our payment system becomes a reality and then it would be the users choice.
I don't even like most sellers! You're all nuts! Especially on this board.
Please stay away from Auctionpie. I don't want any of you there. I like it nice and empty and will actually do negative advertising to make sure that nobody ever comes to our site!
Not!
Blair@: It's $1.41 for Media Mail up to One Pound or $3.85 for Priority. SHipping has not gone up enough to hurt biz.
We are in a very exciting industry that has no where to go but up. It has cycles just like every industry and will evolve just like every industry.
Things change. Just look around here.
Different faces, different trolls....
RB, that was a low blow. You should only have the moxie and integrity that Dman has.
At least he has actually tried to help sellers causes and participate in a positive manner. Geez he even tried to help Twinny. He would not have his empty pop up infested board without Rich's very valuable help and support.
RobertSmithson: I still have the Acura. It's an amazing car. A little rusty, but it's fun to drive a car that can hit 7000RPM without the drive shaft falling out.
Do you really have to be rich to make a difference?
If you publish information that hasn't been published you have nobody to blame but yourself if it isn't correct twinny.
I won't bother with the rest of the dog dribble in this thread.
To Clarify only!!
We charge $24.95 per month. We have a few discount plans for the rest of 2002 and 2003 which dramatically reduces that.
There are no listing, FVF, or any other fees to sell and you can have up to 600 live listings at any one time during the month. The more you sell, the more total listings you can have.
You also can have links to your home website and auctions on Ebay and any other site you wish. We encourage offsite sales and want you as the seller to grow your business.
You can use your own templates and the services of companies like Auctionwatch on our site.
We are happy to build our business with subscription fees and some advertising.
We don't want to be your partners and skim from your hard work and we want companies like Auctionwatch and others to survive too because they create innovations that help all.
Hope that answers some of your burning questions as we really like things to stay accurate.
Jamie Gilcig
CEO
www.auctionpie.com INC
And yes,it is a US company.
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blairwitch
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posted on September 4, 2002 05:19:40 AM new
I would like to know how a seller would be better off paying $25.00 a month to a site with no brand name. I can list 500 items on yahoo which has a brand, and a much higher sell-thru rate. And anyone who thinks higher shipping doesnt hurt sales....well
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