freejack
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posted on February 8, 2001 11:26:12 PM
Check out the bidbay thread called "answer please"...Someone is actually questioning whether Bidbay stole the AW templates and have been using them for quite a while. The thread might be pulled, so hurry up.
I wonder how long Bidbay had been taking advantage of AW's hard work in making those templates. Anyone know?
[ edited by freejack on Feb 9, 2001 12:29 AM ]
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mark
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posted on February 8, 2001 11:58:00 PM
It's pretty amusing that people aren't quite clear on those templates. 
For the record they are the property of AuctionWatch.com. I should know, I had a hand in designing them over a year ago. They were openly viewable on their servers at http://imagehosting.bidbay.com/templates/ until I told them to remove them, now they're just blocked from a browsing perspective. They're still integrated into their selling form and still being served from their servers.
They copied all of our templates over and are actively using four of them.
I was fortunate enough to download the entire directory and have passed them onto our corporate attorneys for handling. Here's a beauty:
From bidbay's listing form:
From our thumbnail page, viewable from the create auction process in Auction Manager. Go to create auction, then change template to view them all:
Now if you've got good vision take a really close look at that bidbay thumbnail above, or at the same thumbnail live on the bidbay.com site (until they read this, then they'll probably rush over and fix it.) See anything? That small logo on the bottom of the template is actually our old "powered by auctionwatch.com" logo, which we removed from the templates but hadn't gotten around to removing them from the thumbnails. Here's what it looked like:
Note to bidbay: when running off with other people's hard work be sure to remove their logo from it first.
For those of you interested in seeing all of our templates in action just do a search for auctionwatch.com by title and description:
http://srch.auctionwatch.com/usearch/
Search past items to see how long they've been around. Trust me, it's been over a year.
Here's some others:
Bidbay:
And the AW original:
One more.
Bidbay:
(powered by AW logo in the lower left there)
and the AW original:
Interesting stuff.
Mark
[ edited by mark on Feb 8, 2001 11:59 PM ]
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freejack
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:28:40 AM
Holy Cow, Mark!! I'm sure you don't feel so good when someone takes advantage of your hard work.
The question that comes to mind is ethics. How can a site that keeps bragging about community, try to pull a fast one like this? I can't believe the things that are going on there.
The ramifications of this issue can be big! But it really depends on what AW plans to do in the legal department.
Mark, do you know how long Bidbay has been using these templates? I think someone said they're seen it for some time.
Talk about eggs on someone's face. Maybe there'll be a press release on AW about this.
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blonde
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:39:49 AM
Mark,
Are you sure, you guys at AW didn't put them there? 
To all the people that speaks against BidBay and the CEO :
YOU ALL SOUND VERY 'JELLY'...he he
blondie
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auctiongaurd
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:40:32 AM
Blonde, are you serious?
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blonde
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:45:55 AM
Dead serious!
blondie 
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auctiongaurd
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:50:12 AM
If you are "Dead serious" then maybe you could shed some light on just how Mark was able to go into bidbay's servers and place AuctionWatch logos on all of the images???
I realize that you are a fan of the site. It is very obvious. Now why don't you read some of the messages that have been posted here about that company and intelligently discuss them instead of yelling "They're the best!" I think that you are doinbg more harm than you are good for them by acting this way.
Just a thought, but I'm sure you will come back with some statement about how I am evil and I will get mine or something like that.
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blonde
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posted on February 9, 2001 12:59:25 AM
jada meet my best friend 'IGGY'
Auctiongaurd, I will not say you are evil...just wicked???...how is your toothache?
lol
Go BidBay!!
blondie
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gem10a1
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posted on February 9, 2001 01:50:44 AM
they use so many shill posters onto these boards. purepuke.
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dadnmom
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posted on February 9, 2001 02:28:32 AM
Having an interesting or rational conversation with Blondie about bidbay, is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person!
I do not know at all if this is at all true, but someone said somewhere,(I don't recall where but I have it all saved to disc someplace) that she is the owners daughter, or some relative.
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OneDay
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posted on February 9, 2001 04:23:51 AM
Oh My Gosh, The intelligence of some members of Bidbay Just crack me UP ROFLMAO!!
I just woke up and am off to such a GREAT Day by reading the post of blonde....I'm laughing so hard and it is still so early in the morning..
"Mark,
Are you sure, you guys at AW didn't put them there?
To all the people that speaks against BidBay and the CEO :
YOU ALL SOUND VERY 'JELLY'...he he
blondie "
Mark, I am sure you know this already but there are several users over there that use your templates..I would be so glad to assist you in anyway to point them out to you..It would be my pleasure
OneDay
edited to ask: What does this mean? YOU ALL SOUND VERY 'JELLY'....Just wondering I am not up to date on this term..ummmm maybe I should just go ask my 17 yr. old daughter...
[ edited by OneDay on Feb 9, 2001 04:26 AM ]
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OneDay
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posted on February 9, 2001 04:36:49 AM
Mark, I apologize, Of course there are several users over there using "AW" templates if Bidbay put them on their server..I was laughing so hard at Blonde's post I had to go back a read again your post to catch my mistake after I posted...
I am sure your attorney's are going to have fun with this one..I hope that "AW" will kept it's members posted on how this is coming along..Good Luck to you....
GO AUCTIONWATCH GO!!!
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gem10a1
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posted on February 9, 2001 05:57:49 AM
yes, some auction sites have a lot of invisable girls names that post to their own site or other forums. supportgirl,jessesdreams,auctionboy..
. pretenders wishing they were contenders and always trying to misguide the readers and many readers fall for their mistruths.
It is the readers and users fault for keeping these sites alive, wake up and dont be blinded by the light.
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 9, 2001 06:48:59 AM
I would like to say that this is unbelievable but it isn't.
But of course they will all come over here and attack me when the proof is in the pudding.
Thank you Mark for your investigative work...this just gives us more validation.
AG2
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maghya
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posted on February 9, 2001 06:57:56 AM
Could somebody please direct me to somewhere where I could read anything in the user agreement or elsewhere on AW concerning their "copyright" to these templates? I just can't find any statement saying that these templates "belong" to them. In different scripts, html code, & clipart...there is typically a copyright, if it has one, in the actual html, etc. I can't find ANY copyright of AW. Not trying to start trouble or anything...just trying to get some clarification.
I'm sure if there is or was a copyright to the templates, action by AW towards BidBay would've been taken LONG AGO. JMHO
maghya
*added*
By the way, I'm not taking sides here. I DON'T think its very ethical for BidBay to use these templates, copywritten or not. I'm just trying to get all of the legalities straight. Thank you.
[ edited by maghya on Feb 9, 2001 07:02 AM ]
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 9, 2001 07:24:55 AM
Well if you look closely at Marks pictures he has posted you can see the Auction Watch Logo on BidBay's templates.
I think that speaks volumes.
AG2
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maghya
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posted on February 9, 2001 07:43:54 AM
Hi Auctiongallery2!
Yes, I saw that...but what I'm asking for here is some sortof statement. I've read the user agreement over & over & can see no such statement, so as far as LEGAL copyrights go, there is none that I can find.
I can go put a logo or state "powered by maghya" on anything I want, whether I created it or not, but that does not really mean "copyright of maghya".
I can't find anything here on AW about these templates (i.e. disclaimer of use, copyright notice, etc.).
Also, as I stated before, if there was a true copyright violation on Bidbay's part, don't you think AW would've approached BidBay about it LONG AGO when the templates were first introduced there? I really don't think that AW relies on their members to keep them abreast of this sort of thing.
Personally, I think if it were a TRUE violation, it would've been dealt with already.
Again, JMHO.
Take care everyone.
maghya
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denephew
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posted on February 9, 2001 09:30:16 AM
FYI: This is NOT the first theft by Bidbay from the Auction Watch site. When they first posted a formal chat TOS, they forgot to remove the words auctionwatch.com in several places and replace it with the Bidbay.com. This blunder was pointed out on Bidbay's OWN chatbaords!!!!! They are not very detail oriented when it comes to their cut and paste work...
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freejack
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posted on February 9, 2001 09:48:25 AM
Maghya,
Look at the footer of every page on AW. This means that anything you see on AW is copyrighted...understand now?
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maghya
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posted on February 9, 2001 10:10:57 AM
[ edited by maghya on Feb 9, 2001 01:51 PM ]
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maghya
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posted on February 9, 2001 01:49:31 PM
JUST PICKED UP FROM BidBay Cafe:
BidBay CEO wrote:
"There is no copyright infringement. Ours are different. We use php code, they use html."
What do you all think now???
maghya
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iluvauctions
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posted on February 9, 2001 01:51:49 PM
Where did you see that? Was that in the thread that GT deleted a while ago?
Oh yeah, GT mentioned that his VP contacted the sales department here about something. Any word on that one?
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 9, 2001 01:52:15 PM
I think if you look close enough to the thumbnail versions on BidBay's website you can see the Auction Watch logo.
Actually I don't think...I know because I went in my own account and saved the images myself...LOL
AG2
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 9, 2001 01:53:39 PM
Oh and to point out another flawed argument...I do believe AW just learned about it last night.
Don't worry the truth shall set you free.
AG2
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 9, 2001 02:02:50 PM
And oh..BTW...guess what BidBay changed the templates...oh my did anyone expect that to happen...oh I didn't...NOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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OneDay
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posted on February 9, 2001 02:08:39 PM
AG2 could you please email me with the link to that..I just went to check and of course they must have changed them before I did..Thanks
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pattaylor
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posted on February 9, 2001 03:42:36 PM
maghya,
I have deleted your post because it contained the URL to another site, which is a violation of our Community Guidelines.
Pat
[email protected]
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maghya
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posted on February 9, 2001 04:56:58 PM
Sorry about that Pat...I'm new to posting here. I'll be back later, after the kids go to bed.
maghya
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