posted on August 8, 2000 04:20:02 PM new
So many auction sites trying to get some of that e-pie. We all know that ebay has established themselves as number one, so what will it take to be number two?
posted on August 17, 2000 02:33:01 PM new
i would believe that according to the amount of registered users, items, and activity in both the bidding and everyone on the site, BidBay would be second to Ebay.
JMO
posted on August 20, 2000 07:29:21 PM new
Ya that does sound funny, but you may not be laughing 16 months from now, they just might suprise you and everyone else..
posted on August 20, 2000 08:13:51 PM new
Sassygems~~ you may want to check the chat board where there is a shilled hot item right now being discussed.....
Viewable on the front page for the whole world to see..
Oh yes, that would definitely make the site 2nd to ebay
posted on August 20, 2000 08:28:32 PM new
And ebay has NEVER had that problem, If I'm not mistaken eBay knows of shilling being done by Home Shopping and THEY (eBay) do nothing about it. What you are saying happens on ALL auction sites. This has happened on eBay several time, at least the guy on BidBay is small potatoes price wise, not like on eBay where the price is in the thousands and it is there for THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE and hear on T.V.and listen on the radio. But what does this have to do with the orginal statement, I said to keep an eye on BidBay, they just might surpise you.....
posted on August 20, 2000 09:19:09 PM new
If BB intends on being a "player" it needs to do something about things like that BEFORE it grows too much.
I can't speak for the owners, but, I would bet they do not want to have the same problems as ebaY. I would think they want to have a BETTER alternative.
Waiting until fees are charged is too late.
It's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.
posted on August 20, 2000 09:36:39 PM new
you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Shilling some times is not pickup on till to late, unlike this guy who is so dumb by using e-mil address that are the same. I am sure that BidBay ceo is watching and checking on this and will close if need be..Shilling is going to happen if you are a large auction house or a small auction house, there are those people is get off screwing other people, sorry for the pun. And what do fees have to do with all this, shilling is going to happen if the house is free like BidBay is right now or a house that charges outrageously high fees like eBay does, Shilling is going to happen no matter what..One can only hope that these people get cought before the auction is over..
posted on August 20, 2000 09:51:18 PM new
Talking out of both sides of my mouth?
How do you figure?
The site claims to have 1million+ users....there are a ton of complaints about deadbeats and the response from the PTB is "once we start charging fees, members will be required to put a credit card on file".
This would be a form of verification, especially when dealing with free email addresses. And, the users that are already members, will the be required to place CC info as well, or will they be grandfathered in like ebaY?
How does that help in the mean time with deadbeats and shill bids?
With 10,000 auctions +/- it should not be difficult to clamp down on the problems.
There is software that can be written to hinder the abuse that can be rampant.
Can you deny that there are not major problems?
These problems will only escalate if they are not addressed NOW. If and when the traffic increases, it will be next to impossible to stop....
posted on August 21, 2000 05:39:38 AM new
People forget that BidBay is only 7 months old. And yes they do have there problems, and one by one they are taken care of.They are called growing pains.The people of BidBay have been begging for the CC to go into action and yes I think they will grandfather the old ones..But if the is all it takes to get things under control, then eBay still has big problems, They require a CC but I have had 9 deadbeat bidders and been taken for my money 3 times and all this in 14 months. BidBay knows that a CC will slow the deadbeats down but it will not stop them all together. So no matter how big or small you are, there will always be shilling, deadbeat bidders and people scamming you, this is a fact of life in the auction house business. So again like I said before, watch out, BidBay is on the rise, give them 16 months and then lets see how people will react..The communitte there is strong and yes I know they have people in there chat that seem to be missing a few brain cells,one likes to stir up trouble,and the other will preach the word of God to you all the time, but the others quickly put a stop to it and or BidBay officers step in. And once again peace. But I have been in eBay chat and seen the same thing go on..where people love to start trouble..So sit back and watch the show, here have a soda,popcorn is on the counter, and lets meet back here in 16 months..Happy Bidding everyone. And just remember eBay started out SMALL with BIG problems and look at them now, they are BIG with BIG problems.
posted on August 23, 2000 08:49:32 PM new
I have only been on eBay for a little under 2 months and I have already experienced auction interference, 2 non paying bidders, threats from eBay for "listing in the incorrect category" that was my mistake I checked to see where everyone else was listing a similar item and put it there, and the only reason eBay discovered mine was because I had to report auction interference.
I am also getting harassed by "bidders" from eBay, spam from "sellers" on eBay and the list goes on.
Just take a trip through their community boards and you will see many "powersellers" predicting the end to the internet darling due to eBay's lack of control over sellers & bidders. One thread even discussed a "powerseller" who admitted her shill bidding for the past 6 months.
I am also a registered user on BidBay, and have experienced one deadbeat in the same amount of time. BidBay does have it's problems, however I believe there is a good chance in the not too distant future that it will be an extremely viable alternative to eBay.
The question was "2nd to eBay?" Is BidBay 2nd yet, no. Does it have a chance, I believe so. The problems that so often get mentioned on message boards regarding BidBay are present everywhere I've checked out.
However BidBay is working hard to make for a better online auction experience overall and these issues will be addressed in time. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was eBay.
posted on August 28, 2000 06:49:46 AM new
I guess you are right about Ubid, but it I still don't buy that bidbay could be the second largest. What about first auction.
posted on August 28, 2000 09:48:48 AM new
char6424,
why don't you go ahead and list a few things at BidBay and see what happens.
Free listings have been extended to Sept 30th. You never know what might happen.
I keep hearing the same arguments over and over, that all that is there at BidBay are sellers selling KMART and Wal-Mart crap to each other etc. There have been some really nice additions to the community there alot of really nice antique and collectors dealers.
Maybe if sellers would quit turning their nose up at BidBay and would have listed some items there over the summer and informed their regular clientele instead of b*tching about the site they could have helped build a better auction site plus save money listing for free and not paying commissions.
Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth. As I stated in the previous post what do you have to lose? Just some time listing auctions over there. What do you have to gain, a heck of a lot if BidBay even ends up doing half the numbers of eBay sometime in the next 2-5 years.
How many of us here would have loved to have been there when eBay first opened it's doors? I know I wish I had.
posted on September 2, 2000 09:23:40 PM new
I think The BidBay Site is Excellent!!
I've won 150.00, several have won 1,000 and one person just won $10,000.
You can win Cars, Trips, Boats, Diamonds. eBay won't give even Parrothead88 nothing more than an Ink Pen!!!
Or like at another Site that promised to give, but gave nothing. Heck, we don't even no Who owns the Dang Place. Only place I know in this country where the owners won't show their faces and at a Site whose Motto was "As Owners we will never lose Contact with the Members". Strange we know nothing about their wherabouts and not one name. They have disconnected phones and the ones that are connected aren't answered. LOL
And my Sales at BidBay are going almost just as good as my eBay stuff. Hey, what have you to lose? Give it a try. You can even call the owners and they have a Store that you can buy things with earned bucks. The owners will even buy your Items for the store.
posted on September 4, 2000 12:29:18 PM new
I think bidbay is ok, but its a twin to ebay as far as looks, there are no bidders to say
But there are a few people that ebay didnt listen to there crying and went over to where if they cried enough they would be heard. LOL Its like a soap opera over there.
You need to check it out.. For some of those people that are in business its no wonder they do it on line HAHA because they couldnt do it in the real world.. I do hope George does ok! Im outta here
posted on September 9, 2000 12:34:48 PM new
2nd to eBay?
I think that eBay has established itself as the leader and will stay that way for years to come. They own approximately 76% of the active market. That is a hard number to catch up to. They were the first. They were the innovators. They were the pioneers.
I personally would not go forward with the goal of being second. I think that the up and comers are going to be more focussed on niche markets. eBay is the garage sale auction, but the newer kids on the block will probably go after more defined markets - like hobby auctions, car auctions, craft auctions, etc.
posted on September 19, 2000 11:22:52 PM new
I don't think bidbay.com is going forward with a mind to be 2nd to Ebay. I think they plan to take over the number one position. And furthermore, they are well on their way to doing just that. Here is an actual true success story.
I have won $150.00 in their drawings in the past 4 weeks and the checks all cleared the bank. I have also sold more items there than on Ebay. I did a test. Item for Item I copied and pasted exactly headline, and body. The real difference was obvious the day I posted the auctions. I was out $268.50 just for the priviledge of listing on EBAY. And for all of the auctions listed and there were over 100, 8 sales on Ebay, 47 on Bidbay. Which makes more sense, pay more to sell less, or pay nothing to sell more? Bidbay.com has enough traffic to be profitable but not so much as to get lost in the crowd.
I think they are great.
Did you get a chance for the Hummer? I did cant wait to learn who wins that one.
Check out all my auctions I am the seller floridaborn.... Da! Yall have a good one! Yahear!
posted on September 20, 2000 07:01:30 AM new
I must agree with floridaborn. I've visited many online auctions and can't comment enough on bidbay.com. I've visited them recently, and what a bunch of nice folks. I haven't done much with them, just signed up. I've been selling and buying on ebay for years and it's time for a change.
Finally, people need o understand that there is enough business on the internet for everyone.
As to auctionwatch, I just signed up with them and planning on visiting the site more often to chat and learn.
posted on September 22, 2000 08:49:53 AM new
Well, well well, I just read a post on Bidbay that they signed a multi million dollar contract with a nazdaq company for eight million dollars. The disclosure of the other company is silent for now until a press release is issued. That will place the userbase at 10 million within six months. WOw!
posted on September 26, 2000 09:23:43 AM new
I won money over there also but I sold both there and on ebay....I can tell you there is no resemblance.......they will never take over ebay's spot....not in THIS lifetime......
no need to argue as time will tell and I am most always right
posted on September 28, 2000 09:21:04 AM new
Hi SEABHS,
Wanna bet on that I for one admire and welcome competetion. Are you looking for a state of economy or a monopoly. Why not have options. This world has many opportunities for all if given a chance.
A question I just thought of. Who is second, or who will it be? What ya think?
posted on October 9, 2000 02:30:54 PM new
I know it isn't auction only but Yahoo seems to be #2 IMHO if you're talking about actual #s of sales to listings. They have the dough to advertise. Listings are free and they are well-established. I think Amazon had a shot but are falling. They have too many oars in the water and their Z-shops just doesn't attract enough interest although the price is good if you sell multiples of the same item.
Other sites may inflate their numbers but what really counts is how many things listed actually have bids and sell. If 10,000 out of 20,000 listings sell weekly, that is a helluva lot better than 10,000 out of 1,000,000.
I agree with what someone posted above about niche markets. Those have a fair shot at recruiting targeted customers. The freebie sites may entice sellers with promotions but they don't get the flow of buyers who are not sellers too.
posted on October 17, 2000 03:26:59 PM new
Second is what you make of it. Whatever works for you. There is BidBay, BuyBidSell, BidSellBuy, Yahoo, Excite, BidBay, Amazon, Acubid, UBid, Bidland... and certainly many more.
There are some cool features on a lot of these, but in most cases it is all about site traffic (eyeballs) and accurate categorization (people can find your stuff).
eBay, for me, just seems to have too muc stuff and a lot of it is crap. Granted there are good things - there has to be with that much quantity, but it seems like everyone and their mother has their attic on that site.
I think that one of the best - and I am not sure about their overall visitors, but I think that they have a great concept - is Bidland.com.
You can build a whole site devoted to your product, put in on your own site (therefore any promotion that you do for yourself kicks over to your auction) and they have the auction center to help promote, so it gets you traffic from both sides.
They are doing a 30-day free thing right now, too. So, it is a good time to try it out. Bidland at least offers a stray from the same ol' , same ol'. Every site has its own flavor. Finally something different.
There are a lot of cool things about "shopping" in the auction center, too (auctioncenter.bidland.com). You can look by category, by item, whatever - just like any other site - but you can check out the different store fronts, so you can get an idea of who is selling to you, their personality. There are charities and others there selling off some really interesting, nice things.
posted on February 20, 2001 07:33:27 AM new
Quote from auctiongallery2
"I keep hearing the same arguments over and over, that all that is there at BidBay are sellers selling KMART and Wal-Mart crap to each other etc. There have been some really nice additions to the community there alot of really nice antique and collectors dealers.
Maybe if sellers would quit turning their nose up at BidBay and would have listed some items there over the summer and informed their regular clientele instead of b*tching about the site they could have helped build a better auction site plus save money listing for free and not paying commissions.
Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth. As I stated in the previous post what do you have to lose? Just some time listing auctions over there. What do you have to gain, a heck of a lot if BidBay even ends up doing half the numbers of eBay sometime in the next 2-5 years.
How many of us here would have loved to have been there when eBay first opened it's doors? I know I wish I had.
Just a few thoughts for you to mull over.
auctiongallery2"
Question? It this the same auctiongallery2?
OMG! Double standard!!
[ edited by bidbaylover on Feb 20, 2001 08:10 AM ]
posted on February 20, 2001 08:02:09 AM new
WOWEE! You just registered today! You chose a name that states you LOVE Bidbay! Your one and only post is pro Bidbay and con anyone who isn't. I wonder if you have been here before as someone else? Hmmmmmmm
But there are a few people that ebay didnt listen to there crying and went over to where if they cried enough they would be heard. LOL Its like a soap opera over there.